Nigella Lawson attacked by husband
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PugwasHDJ80 said:
Lost for words by some of the posters on this thread- Voyds9, Rick101 etc
Putting your hand around anyones throat is incredibly intimidating- its the threat of cutting off someone air supply and choking them and ultimately killing them. Imagine one of your mates doing it to you? For a man on a woman, with the respective strength differences, the man can easily kill the woman with that hold and she can't do anything about it.
And as for some of the comments about domestic abuse- go back and read what you wrote. Either you will feel shame, or justified- if the latter then you need to consider your approach to women. One of my closest friends married a girl who had suffered years of abuse- she is strong, ferociously intelligent, musically brilliant, and absolutely beautiful, private school education, now an extremely highly paid and respected leader in her professional field. She is one of the strongest characters I've ever met, but couldn't get away from her abuser. We had to take drastic action to solve it.
I wasn't justifying his actions, but we are unaware of if and how much she emotionally abuses him.Putting your hand around anyones throat is incredibly intimidating- its the threat of cutting off someone air supply and choking them and ultimately killing them. Imagine one of your mates doing it to you? For a man on a woman, with the respective strength differences, the man can easily kill the woman with that hold and she can't do anything about it.
And as for some of the comments about domestic abuse- go back and read what you wrote. Either you will feel shame, or justified- if the latter then you need to consider your approach to women. One of my closest friends married a girl who had suffered years of abuse- she is strong, ferociously intelligent, musically brilliant, and absolutely beautiful, private school education, now an extremely highly paid and respected leader in her professional field. She is one of the strongest characters I've ever met, but couldn't get away from her abuser. We had to take drastic action to solve it.
A cousin has been hit by her last 5 boyfriends. The first time it happened we blamed the guy, now we are at 5 we are thinking she just pushes buttons to provoke these responses.
If my cousin had been a guy he would have been labelled a serial abuser.
longblackcoat said:
WeirdNeville said:
I'm disappointed that he was offered a caution. It's an easy route out for all concerned, and I'm not sure it's appropriate in cases like this. Obviously I don't have the full facts.
It's not an easy way out for a celebrity. If he'd been a plumber called Bob who lived in Kidlington, then a police caution might not be too much of an issue - no-one other than your family is much interested in you, and a caution might go under the radar.In this case, although accepting a caution means that Saatchi avoids a potential jail sentence, the real punishment is being branded as a wife-beater in the public mind, forever thought of as "that bloke who beat up Nigella". It doesn't help his case that she's a posh-totty sex symbol (even if she's a pretty terrible cook), that this has all been played out on the front cover of the tabloids, and that he made the inane 'only joking, honest' defence yesterday.
Whatever the truth, whatever he or she may believe about what actually happened, the reality is that his life has just been irreversibly changed, and not for the better. An easy way out? Hardly.
Its a right royal f
k up for him.voyds9 said:
A cousin has been hit by her last 5 boyfriends. The first time it happened we blamed the guy, now we are at 5 we are thinking she just pushes buttons to provoke these responses.
Everyone is different, but ime some women seem to have the habit of picking alpha pricks again and againGrenoble said:
Sad, but that public action was probably not an isolated example.Saatchi is one of these vain-glorious types who believes in art and sees himself as a cultured, sophisticated individual.
He is now exposed as just a thug. He would not consider himself on any level, the same as a tatooed uneducated chav who beats on his wife, but the reality of the police caution is that he is now exactly the same.
"Reputation, reputation, reputation ! Oh I have lost my reputation!" Othello.
I hope she leaves him.
He is now exposed as just a thug. He would not consider himself on any level, the same as a tatooed uneducated chav who beats on his wife, but the reality of the police caution is that he is now exactly the same.
"Reputation, reputation, reputation ! Oh I have lost my reputation!" Othello.
I hope she leaves him.
toppstuff said:
Saatchi is one of these vain-glorious types who believes in art and sees himself as a cultured, sophisticated individual.
He is now exposed as just a thug. He would not consider himself on any level, the same as a tatooed uneducated chav who beats on his wife, but the reality of the police caution is that he is now exactly the same.
"Reputation, reputation, reputation ! Oh I have lost my reputation!" Othello.
I hope she leaves him.
I hope that his sycophants in the art world drop away as well.He is now exposed as just a thug. He would not consider himself on any level, the same as a tatooed uneducated chav who beats on his wife, but the reality of the police caution is that he is now exactly the same.
"Reputation, reputation, reputation ! Oh I have lost my reputation!" Othello.
I hope she leaves him.
I'm quite surprised that some peoples initial reaction on seeing the pictures is obviously a degree of indifference. To me the fear in Nigella Lawson's eyes is quite disturbing.
rohrl said:
toppstuff said:
Saatchi is one of these vain-glorious types who believes in art and sees himself as a cultured, sophisticated individual.
He is now exposed as just a thug. He would not consider himself on any level, the same as a tatooed uneducated chav who beats on his wife, but the reality of the police caution is that he is now exactly the same.
"Reputation, reputation, reputation ! Oh I have lost my reputation!" Othello.
I hope she leaves him.
I hope that his sycophants in the art world drop away as well.He is now exposed as just a thug. He would not consider himself on any level, the same as a tatooed uneducated chav who beats on his wife, but the reality of the police caution is that he is now exactly the same.
"Reputation, reputation, reputation ! Oh I have lost my reputation!" Othello.
I hope she leaves him.
I'm quite surprised that some peoples initial reaction on seeing the pictures is obviously a degree of indifference. To me the fear in Nigella Lawson's eyes is quite disturbing.
There is never any excuse for this. I would not be surprised for stories of other sorts of abusive and bully behaviour to surface - clearly some will be opportunist, but I feel fairly confident that anyone who treats his wife like this is also very likely to also be pretty mean to his staff (minions, as he no doubt sees them) too.
collateral said:
I'm not really up to speed on things but that does seem a bit lenient - isn't that the type of thing given for having a small amount of drugs and such, not throttling someone else in public?
I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such
All you need to do is compare it with footballers and rugby players biting each other. They don't even get a caution.I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such
How does one compare a man grabbing his wife by the throat in public and 2 grown men having handbags at each other?
Im old school, what goes on pitch stays on pitch. Im rather afraid that such scenes at the restaurant ranks very differently from that in my old fashioned view of the world.
Im old school, what goes on pitch stays on pitch. Im rather afraid that such scenes at the restaurant ranks very differently from that in my old fashioned view of the world.
rohrl said:
I'm quite surprised that some peoples initial reaction on seeing the pictures is obviously a degree of indifference. To me the fear in Nigella Lawson's eyes is quite disturbing.
I'm only indifferent because it's such a common occurrence. Of course it's not right and shouldn't happen but the fact is, it does, often and regularly. The pictures of Nigella are far less disturbing than some of the sights I have seen. I have helped people out of difficulty, both known and unknown to me. It's only the ones that really want to change their situation that are receptive.https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/ending-viol...
1.2 Million! And they are only talking about women there. Shocking.
I'll also note whilst looking the focus is particularly on women. Took quite a few searches before finding a helpline for men.
So two things i'm thinking about now. What if it wasn't Nigella and was some normal person. Secondly, what if it had been a male. Or even, a gay male.
Edited by Rick101 on Tuesday 18th June 12:57
DJRC said:
Indeed. He just assaulted "a National Treasure" but his trouble in this instance is very much compounded by doing it on one of the very few people that *blokes* regard as sacrosanct. Usually its some long lived entertainer type or darling of the housewives, Bruce, Des, Schofield, Gary Barlow, et al, but Nigella is aimed squarely at the chaps. Saatchi has been ungentlemanly in public to a lady who occupies Goddess status in the minds of many men.
Its a right royal fk up for him.
Yep she was already as you say the darling of the middle aged, middle class man but equally admired by women, his reputation has just taken the kind of hammering Rodney King took from LA's finest.Its a right royal f
k up for him.Ozzie Osmond said:
collateral said:
I'm not really up to speed on things but that does seem a bit lenient - isn't that the type of thing given for having a small amount of drugs and such, not throttling someone else in public?
I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such
All you need to do is compare it with footballers and rugby players biting each other. They don't even get a caution.I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such
collateral said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
collateral said:
I'm not really up to speed on things but that does seem a bit lenient - isn't that the type of thing given for having a small amount of drugs and such, not throttling someone else in public?
I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such
All you need to do is compare it with footballers and rugby players biting each other. They don't even get a caution.I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such
As to Saatchi, he's now got a criminal record and is known for what he's done and what he is.
DJRC said:
Indeed. He just assaulted "a National Treasure" but his trouble in this instance is very much compounded by doing it on one of the very few people that *blokes* regard as sacrosanct. Usually its some long lived entertainer type or darling of the housewives, Bruce, Des, Schofield, Gary Barlow, et al, but Nigella is aimed squarely at the chaps. Saatchi has been ungentlemanly in public to a lady who occupies Goddess status in the minds of many men.
Its a right royal fk up for him.
Agreed, mainly because unlike other so called treasures, Queen Cheryl, Overly Large Adele, Coke Snorting Chav Two Lisas etc....Its a right royal f
k up for him.Nigella is a bit of alright!
turbobloke said:
collateral said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
collateral said:
I'm not really up to speed on things but that does seem a bit lenient - isn't that the type of thing given for having a small amount of drugs and such, not throttling someone else in public?
I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such
All you need to do is compare it with footballers and rugby players biting each other. They don't even get a caution.I don't know where the lines are drawn when it comes to assault/ABH and such
As to Saatchi, he's now got a criminal record and is known for what he's done and what he is.
And then there's ice-hockey
Digger said:
A caution does not count towards a criminal record.
For a formal caution, it appears otherwise. It's not a conviction but it is recorded.
"A formal caution is normally given at a police station by an officer of inspector rank or above. It is not a conviction, but is regarded as a serious matter and may be cited in subsequent court proceedings.
"Although a caution is not a conviction, it forms a part of a person's criminal record"
Such comments are to be found in various references.
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