Benefits of Multiculturalism

[Countdown]

irocfan said:

Countdown said:

There's a strong correlation between crime and socio-economic status (Income, literacy/education, occupation, housing. That's why there aren't (proprtionally) as many rich people in jails.

possibly one of the reasons for less rich people in jails is better lawyers

Rich (or even middle class) people don't commit as many crimes mainly because the risks don't justify the rewards. Being locked up means you lose your job, then your house (if you have a mortgage), then possibly your wife and kids.

The biggest factors in avoiding a life of crime are Education ---> Job ---> House ---> partner..

[Johnnytheboy]

SpeedMattersNot said:

Why has this topic got 7 pages?



Or any pages?!!

People are trying to discuss benefits of multiculturalism.

Are you saying categorically that there aren't any?

Seems a bit unequivocal.

[BJG1]

Hilts said:

So why is the percentage of non-whites in jail disproportionate by a fairly large margin?

Lots of factors. More likely to be searched and investigated, more likely to live in poor conditions, more likely to be osteresiced from the rest of society. The colour of their skin obviously isn't a factor. Being black isn't causal.

[SeeFive]

e8_pack said:

On the contrary. White on black acceptance is often fine. We have had numerous derogatory comments from black people. London was just comical. We also live in a predominantly white area. But it appears to me black guys with white women is usually far more acceptable than a white guy with a black girl. I've never experienced racism until I met my wife. She is Nigerian.

It appears that we agree.

Although we have not experienced any racism outside of her family, she expects random black males to have a problem given our mix. Looks like you have already experienced it.

[alfaman]

skyrover said:

Again... please explain the very low levels of Chinese in our jails per 1000 people, despite many of them having emigrated from impoverished Maoist China

They worked hard and attained wealth, they did not rely on the so called "white middle classes of the British isles" to drag them out of poverty.

It is a culture problem that needs addressed.

Because the Chinese culture is to work hard for your family and prosper- and in places like HK or Singapore or China ... There is not much in the way of state handouts ... You *have* to work .. There is not much backup .

Also explains why in Malaysia - the Chinese have prospered despite heavy and pernicious job and other discrimination against non bumies (anyone not Malay/Muslim ) ... The 'locals' in Malaysia have a lot of special treatment and rights denied to anyone else.

Probably also why Malaysia is an economic and political basket case compared to Singapore ( despite having abundant natural resources )

[MarshPhantom]

BJG1 said:

Hilts said:

So why is the percentage of non-whites in jail disproportionate by a fairly large margin?

Lots of factors. More likely to be searched and investigated, more likely to live in poor conditions, more likely to be osteresiced from the rest of society. The colour of their skin obviously isn't a factor. Being black isn't causal.

More likely to be charged rather than cautioned, more likely to be found guilty, more likely to be sent to jail.

[IroningMan]

Johnnytheboy said:

wiggy001 said:

Part of the problem with this thread, and the wider discussion, is people's definition of multiculturalism. Regardless of the dictionary definition it has come to mean the social experiment started by Labour to allow anyone from any culture to come to Britain but without the requirement to actually integrate.

In this sense, Multiculturalism didn't bring diversity of restaurants. Immigration did that. Multiculturalism in this sense brought ghettos, political correctness and resentment. It brought Sharia/Jewish courts. It brought official documents in 27 different languages. It brought hate preachers whilst suppressing free speech.

It looks like most answers on this thread are to the question "What are the benefits of immigration" (answer: many) which to most people is a slightly different question.

Spot on, posters don't seem to be able to distinguish between multiculturalism as a policy and immigration as a reality.

Quite.

[sealtt]

alfaman said:

skyrover said:

Again... please explain the very low levels of Chinese in our jails per 1000 people, despite many of them having emigrated from impoverished Maoist China

They worked hard and attained wealth, they did not rely on the so called "white middle classes of the British isles" to drag them out of poverty.

It is a culture problem that needs addressed.

Because the Chinese culture is to work hard for your family and prosper- and in places like HK or Singapore or China ... There is not much in the way of state handouts ... You *have* to work .. There is not much backup .

Also explains why in Malaysia - the Chinese have prospered despite heavy and pernicious job and other discrimination against non bumies (anyone not Malay/Muslim ) ... The 'locals' in Malaysia have a lot of special treatment and rights denied to anyone else.

Probably also why Malaysia is an economic and political basket case compared to Singapore ( despite having abundant natural resources )

Or maybe... Because it's not true... Or rather, it's a stupid fact because % of prison population is meaningless without considering % of general population. Next skyrover will be asking how come there are so many fewer gingers per 1000 prison population than brown hair people. I look forward to your explanation of that Alfa

Asian (Chinese) UK prison population is about 1.5% of total prison population.

Asian (Chinese) population of the U.K. Is about 0.7% of total UK population.

[irocfan]

sealtt said:

Or maybe... Because it's not true... Or rather, it's a stupid fact because % of prison population is meaningless without considering % of general population. Next skyrover will be asking how come there are so many fewer gingers per 1000 prison population than brown hair people. I look forward to your explanation of that Alfa

Asian (Chinese) UK prison population is about 1.5% of total prison population.

Asian (Chinese) population of the U.K. Is about 0.7% of total UK population.

thanks for that stat, interesting.

[bitchstewie]

andymc said:

SO can anyone explain the propensity of Pakistani men among grooming gangs?

How many grooming gang cases have there been?

Genuine question btw, I'm aware of the Rotherham one, beyond that I don't pay much attention beyond when something large appears in the media.

[gruffalo]

Made public, probably in excess of a dozen, a few are:-

Oxford
Aylesbury
Rochdale
High Wycombe
Birmingham
Bradford
Rotherham
Sheffield

It is a big problem back in Pakistan as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2739799/...

http://www.inquisitr.com/1475457/horrifying-realit...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Pakistan

Edited by gruffalo on Sunday 13th December 13:57

[bitchstewie]

Thank you, I knew there had been a few cases and knew there had been issues about authorities not wanting to appear racist - I didn't know if it had been established as more of an issue with Pakistani grooming gangs than "white english" grooming gangs.

[DeanR32]

woowahwoo said:

Countdown said:

Rich (or even middle class) people don't commit as many crimes mainly because the risks don't justify the rewards. Being locked up means you lose your job, then your house (if you have a mortgage), then possibly your wife and kids.

The biggest factors in avoiding a life of crime are Education ---> Job ---> House ---> partner..

Do you have a source?

What is PH's obsession with sources, links and surveys? Do you not think with your own mind that there's a point to what Countdown is saying? I feel I've got a nice little life, earn ok, a roof over my head and an amazing family under it with me. Without it all, I'd expect my path to have taken a different route.

Needing a source from a bloke on the net giving his opinions is just daft.

[alfaman]

sealtt said:

Or maybe... Because it's not true... Or rather, it's a stupid fact because % of prison population is meaningless without considering % of general population. Next skyrover will be asking how come there are so many fewer gingers per 1000 prison population than brown hair people. I look forward to your explanation of that Alfa

Asian (Chinese) UK prison population is about 1.5% of total prison population.

Asian (Chinese) population of the U.K. Is about 0.7% of total UK population.

.surprised by the prison stats - but seem true.

my comments still stand .. as I was talking about the work ethic and prosperity of the Chinese compared to other groups. Chinese have the highist median income of any UK ethnic group.

[sealtt]

alfaman said:

.surprised by the prison stats - but seem true.

my comments still stand .. as I was talking about the work ethic and prosperity of the Chinese compared to other groups. Chinese have the highist median income of any UK ethnic group.

A really interesting stat to compare, between race groups - or more specifically groups split by 'culture' & values - would be average income vs time in country. Perhaps we could learn some quite useful things about what leads to an immigrant's financial success when moving to a new country, it might draw attention to the effects of factors such as those you mentioned.

[wiggy001]

5 pages... but no benefits to Britain of multiculturalism in the way it has been implemented in the UK... or did I miss the advantages in amongst the discussion on crime stats?

[sealtt]

wiggy001 said:

5 pages... but no benefits to Britain of multiculturalism in the way it has been implemented in the UK... or did I miss the advantages in amongst the discussion on crime stats?

It's a lot easier to quantify the advantages (and disadvantages) of the immigration itself, as opposed to the culture those immigrants bring, be it increased supply of young labour to support an ageing population or be it crime stats. Those are easy to asses factors.

Not to mention, sometimes it's hard to distinguish between a benefit of multiculturalism and globalisation. They are almost part of the same package. You can't really have immigration and globalisation without the inevitable multiculturalism.

Also, many of the benefits of multiculturalism are very personal and qualitative factors - finding a new religion; finding love; learning a new language; business opportunities; expanding your mental horizons. All very hard to define and measure, but no doubt about it, these aspects can all benefit from multiculturalism - and lead to an enhancement and widening of an individual's 'life experience'.

That's not to say multiculturalism is all roses, just that there are benefits - however they are harder to quantify, being more 'soft' factors, and are usually individually / personally realised, rather than being easily realised by all the population.

Edited by sealtt on Monday 14th December 09:20

[Digga]

bhstewie said:

Thank you, I knew there had been a few cases and knew there had been issues about authorities not wanting to appear racist - I didn't know if it had been established as more of an issue with Pakistani grooming gangs than "white english" grooming gangs.

There's a whole thread on PH, plus the story is now pretty well out in the open in media, but (and I'm not singling you out) these lines of discussion are way, way off the direction the OP wanted to take this topic. It would be nice to have one thread (at least) that did actually retain focus on the positives.

[SpeedMattersNot]

wiggy001 said:

5 pages... but no benefits to Britain of multiculturalism in the way it has been implemented in the UK... or did I miss the advantages in amongst the discussion on crime stats?

Was that the OP's question, though?

I don't know if he identified whether he meant a benefit to the country, or to himself.

I can't speak for the country and to be honest, I don't think anyone could. But personally, some of my best friends, work colleagues, fellow students and neighbours have been from different cultures and the fact they're given equal importance is very important and something as a Brit, I feel very proud of. Whether it be my friend who is Muslim, our Greek neighbours, Hungarian work mates, University peers from Mexico and Dubai...I feel my life has been enriched by knowing them.

I also remember at school we used to celebrate Diwali and Ramadam and they also do this at the school I teach at. This is a great way of expanding your mindset without actually having to travel to different continents.

As long as other cultures are considered equally as important, without being at the expense of our own culture, I genuinely can't see any problems with it.

Also, petrol stations being open at Christmas is awesome.

[zeb]

Benefits???

yes I believe a lot of people are coming for that very reason......