The moon doesn't cause ocean tides, claims UKIP MP Carswell
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elster said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
elster said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
s2art said:
You really, really dont understand. Newton figured all this out hundreds of years ago. Find a physics textbook and read up on the subject.
It's unreal. People are actually arguing about something that was proved beyond all doubt several hundred f
king years ago!!!!Brian Cox explains it here in a way that my cat could grasp.
Ffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGKgKayuC2M
That is why science constantly is proven wrong, the whole point of science is just because you agree with something doesn't mean there shouldn't be people constantly trying to disprove the theorem.
And how is science constantly proven wrong? Is the world actually flat then, and does the Sun orbit the Earth. Science says not, when do you think it will be proven wrong?
Greg66 said:
It is hard to decide who bears the greater shame: the man who loses to the halfwit or the man who agrees with the halfwit.
I'm going with your first option, but I'll expand a tad - the man who calls a referendum on a thorny issue to keep his party ranks at bay who then goes on to spectacularly fudge a negotiation and referendum, therefore losing to the halfwits.IE, David Cameron.
Digga said:
George Carlin said:
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Alternatively.Mark Twain said:
Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Greg66 said:
It is hard to decide who bears the greater shame: the man who loses to the halfwit or the man who agrees with the halfwit.
If by saying "he did actually say it 'wasn't gravity' it was the 'centrifugal force'... this is obviously wrong but it's easy to understand what he means given the frame of reference he later describes." I am deemed to be agreeing with him then so be it, serves me right for not reading the whole thread first. He is clearly confused and, I hope, didn't do A-level physics. What he thinks of as some mysterious 'centrifugal force' flinging the further ocean away, is just the difference in the forces exerted by the moons gravity gradient between the earth to the furthest ocean. It's not hard to see why he is so confused and why he seems to think something other than gravity is in play. Granted it's much easier and more fun to take the pi55, I usually do, just not when it's the usual mob of inexplicably smug remainers (your very funny balloon popping quotefest excepted 
).FN2TypeR said:
Greg66 said:
It is hard to decide who bears the greater shame: the man who loses to the halfwit or the man who agrees with the halfwit.
I'm going with your first option, but I'll expand a tad - the man who calls a referendum on a thorny issue to keep his party ranks at bay who then goes on to spectacularly fudge a negotiation and referendum, therefore losing to the halfwits.IE, David Cameron.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Digga said:
George Carlin said:
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Alternatively.Mark Twain said:
Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
elster said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
elster said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
s2art said:
You really, really dont understand. Newton figured all this out hundreds of years ago. Find a physics textbook and read up on the subject.
It's unreal. People are actually arguing about something that was proved beyond all doubt several hundred fking years ago!!!!Brian Cox explains it here in a way that my cat could grasp.
Ffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGKgKayuC2M
That is why science constantly is proven wrong, the whole point of science is just because you agree with something doesn't mean there shouldn't be people constantly trying to disprove the theorem.
And how is science constantly proven wrong? Is the world actually flat then, and does the Sun orbit the Earth. Science says not, when do you think it will be proven wrong?
PH believe in atoms (for eg), never seen em, heard a story that they take on trust so science is their religion, they take it on trust or faith as per any faith based belief system.
If we had X10/X100 or X100000 IQs not limited by language and our aural and visual perceptions we wouldn't need the the short cuts we use to make sense of our universe which is actually incomprehensible at our level of development, they're as mad as any religion including the accompanying arrogance.
White Russians tonight.
If we had X10/X100 or X100000 IQs not limited by language and our aural and visual perceptions we wouldn't need the the short cuts we use to make sense of our universe which is actually incomprehensible at our level of development, they're as mad as any religion including the accompanying arrogance.
White Russians tonight.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just saying you're wrong. Millions of things are proven. 2+2 =4 will never be proven wrong. The Earth isn't flat, the Sun doesn't orbit the Earth. Those aren't ideas, or educated stabs in the dark, they are proven facts.
There's no such thing as a fact. What we can say is that the available evidence appears to prove a theorem. If you work on the assumption that the thing you've just read in a book is infallibly and permanently true, make sure to check the cover of that book to see if you are reading the Bible.
hairykrishna said:
Of course there are facts. The facts are the observations we have made. Theorems attempt to explain those observations and as a consequence predict future observations.
Theorems can't become facts. That's not the same as there being no facts.
I didn't say they could. What I said was that evidence can appear to prove a theory. Theorems can't become facts. That's not the same as there being no facts.
So, we have evidence (pepper moths and the industrial revolution) that appears to prove the theory of evolution. Evolution is not a fact because nobody has ever (or indeed will ever) be able to say that it's definitively the way that every species of organism on the planet developed.
So you have a couple of options. Either you accept the (incredibly) slight uncertainty that we don't have the correct answer, and continue to doubt the theory, testing it against any new evidence that presents itself; or you believe that the theory is true. And as I said, if you start believing in science, it's no better than a religion.
Based on our understanding of planetary mechanics and gravity, we don't have any other credible explanation for how the tides work. But to discount the idea that someone might find a better answer in future is silly. Remember that at some point the flat earth theory was the best one we had.
davepoth said:
hairykrishna said:
Of course there are facts. The facts are the observations we have made. Theorems attempt to explain those observations and as a consequence predict future observations.
Theorems can't become facts. That's not the same as there being no facts.
I didn't say they could. What I said was that evidence can appear to prove a theory. Theorems can't become facts. That's not the same as there being no facts.
So, we have evidence (pepper moths and the industrial revolution) that appears to prove the theory of evolution. Evolution is not a fact because nobody has ever (or indeed will ever) be able to say that it's definitively the way that every species of organism on the planet developed.
So you have a couple of options. Either you accept the (incredibly) slight uncertainty that we don't have the correct answer, and continue to doubt the theory, testing it against any new evidence that presents itself; or you believe that the theory is true. And as I said, if you start believing in science, it's no better than a religion.
Based on our understanding of planetary mechanics and gravity, we don't have any other credible explanation for how the tides work. But to discount the idea that someone might find a better answer in future is silly. Remember that at some point the flat earth theory was the best one we had.
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