Our newest ambassador in the US,,

Our newest ambassador in the US,,

Author
Discussion

vonuber

17,868 posts

167 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
Is he still leader of UKIP? Or has he relied again.

Rollin

6,124 posts

247 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
Why are people desperate to suck up to the USA? We trade more with the EU and the don4l-a-likes are up for telling them to fk off.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

163 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
Rollin said:
Why are people desperate to suck up to the USA? We trade more with the EU and the don4l-a-likes are up for telling them to fk off.
You're obviously over thinking this.

The way it works is, you pick a side based on whose hair, jacket or choice of beer you like the best and then just ride it out until oblivion.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

190 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
FredClogs said:
You're obviously over thinking this.

The way it works is, you pick a side based on whose hair, jacket or choice of beer you like the best and then just ride it out until oblivion.
biggrin

s2art

18,939 posts

255 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
Rollin said:
Why are people desperate to suck up to the USA? We trade more with the EU and the don4l-a-likes are up for telling them to fk off.
For starters the UK is the biggest investor in the USA and vice versa. Secondly we rely on the USA for a lot of military hardware and co-operation, not to mention their intelligence network and capability (and they rely on us too, as we have significant intel capabiilty).

minimoog

6,905 posts

221 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
s2art said:
Rollin said:
Why are people desperate to suck up to the USA? We trade more with the EU and the don4l-a-likes are up for telling them to fk off.
For starters the UK is the biggest investor in the USA and vice versa. Secondly we rely on the USA for a lot of military hardware and co-operation, not to mention their intelligence network and capability (and they rely on us too, as we have significant intel capabiilty).
Therefore Trump can choose our ambassador for us? What happened to our sovereign self-determination we were so keen to regain? Is it just because it's Saint Nige's lips he's currently buffing his ringpiece with? Would you all be so keen on playing the trade relations card if Trump wanted someone else?

esxste

3,737 posts

108 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
FredClogs said:
You're obviously over thinking this.

The way it works is, you pick a side based on whose hair, jacket or choice of beer you like the best and then just ride it out until oblivion.
Which Budweiser do you prefer... the Czech version or the American version...

s2art

18,939 posts

255 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
minimoog said:
s2art said:
Rollin said:
Why are people desperate to suck up to the USA? We trade more with the EU and the don4l-a-likes are up for telling them to fk off.
For starters the UK is the biggest investor in the USA and vice versa. Secondly we rely on the USA for a lot of military hardware and co-operation, not to mention their intelligence network and capability (and they rely on us too, as we have significant intel capabiilty).
Therefore Trump can choose our ambassador for us? What happened to our sovereign self-determination we were so keen to regain? Is it just because it's Saint Nige's lips he's currently buffing his ringpiece with? Would you all be so keen on playing the trade relations card if Trump wanted someone else?
You have mistaken me for someone else, neither I or Trump (or Farage) thinks Trump can choose our ambassador. I do think that if Farage's contacts can be leveraged in some way to assist our national interests then he should be used in some capaacity. Note Farage himself states he is not diplomat material.

Rollin

6,124 posts

247 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
s2art said:
Rollin said:
Why are people desperate to suck up to the USA? We trade more with the EU and the don4l-a-likes are up for telling them to fk off.
For starters the UK is the biggest investor in the USA and vice versa. Secondly we rely on the USA for a lot of military hardware and co-operation, not to mention their intelligence network and capability (and they rely on us too, as we have significant intel capabiilty).
Not according to this. The EU members together invest more than the USA.
The majority also appears to be financial services which is a sector supposedly at risk when the UK leaves the EU

https://en.portal.santandertrade.com/establish-ove...


s2art

18,939 posts

255 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
Rollin said:
s2art said:
Rollin said:
Why are people desperate to suck up to the USA? We trade more with the EU and the don4l-a-likes are up for telling them to fk off.
For starters the UK is the biggest investor in the USA and vice versa. Secondly we rely on the USA for a lot of military hardware and co-operation, not to mention their intelligence network and capability (and they rely on us too, as we have significant intel capabiilty).
Not according to this. The EU members together invest more than the USA.
The majority also appears to be financial services which is a sector supposedly at risk when the UK leaves the EU

https://en.portal.santandertrade.com/establish-ove...
Biggest single investor.

alfie2244

11,292 posts

190 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
No prizes for guessing which ex London Mayor was saying this not so long ago.

“I would invite him to come and see the whole of London and take him round the city – except I wouldn’t want to expose any Londoners to any unnecessary risk of meeting Donald Trump.”

he also said: “The only reason I wouldn't visit some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.”

Now he is saying: (brown-nosing)

"The UK should be “as positive as we possibly can be” about the new Trump adminstration.

Trump should be judged by his actions, which the UK government hopes to “shape”.

It will be Trumps turn soon methinks:

FredClogs

14,041 posts

163 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
esxste said:
FredClogs said:
You're obviously over thinking this.

The way it works is, you pick a side based on whose hair, jacket or choice of beer you like the best and then just ride it out until oblivion.
Which Budweiser do you prefer... the Czech version or the American version...
Is this a trick question?

Everyone knows American Budweiser isn't beer...

davepoth

29,395 posts

201 months

truck71

2,328 posts

174 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
FredClogs said:
Is this a trick question?

Everyone knows American Budweiser isn't beer...
Or brewed in America.

hidetheelephants

25,016 posts

195 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
alfie2244 said:
No prizes for guessing which ex London Mayor was saying this not so long ago.

“I would invite him to come and see the whole of London and take him round the city – except I wouldn’t want to expose any Londoners to any unnecessary risk of meeting Donald Trump.”

he also said: “The only reason I wouldn't visit some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.”
He said that in a fairly jokey manner off-the-cuff to reporters after Trump had mithered on about areas of London and Birmingham being no-go areas for police; both parties are prone to flights of oratorical fancy which are followed by backpedalling, so they have something in common! jester

///ajd

8,964 posts

208 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
FredClogs said:
alfie2244 said:
FredClogs said:
Farage now adopting the alt-right stance of claiming victim status... Everyone hates me, the establishment has rejected me - ergo I must be right and they just can't handle my truth... QED innit...

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38064664
I think this is nearer the truth:

"It is career politics at its worst and it is now getting in the way of the national interest."
There is absolutely no national interest in drafting Farage into the diplomatic service, it's frankly a ridiculous idea, further more there is absolutely no national interest in sidling and sucking up to Trump - at least not at this point in time. The best national interest would be served by taking a cool and level headed pragmatic stance on Trump and doing good and proper diplomacy.

Things could still go very wrong, very quickly for Trump.
I think alfie meant Farage was playing career politics and was impeding the national interest.

That must be what he meant as any other interpretation would be insane.

Despite all unprecedented things that have happened this year, this little spat is a defining moment for me. I cannot envisage how anyone could think that this was anything other than hugely humiliating for the UK and the Govt, and a worrying departure from normal accepted international behaviour.

And yet there are some who think its great. Nothing it seems is across the line now. The lines have been removed and anything previously thought outrageous is considered, "hey why not".

The unthinkable is becoming acceptable to the masses. Very dangerous times.


loose cannon

6,030 posts

243 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
Quick stack up the shelves and stock up on pulses and grains because Nigel farage said something followed by somebody else laugh

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

166 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
Dangerous times indeed and none of it is to do with Trump its like people saying this have been ignorant of what has happened in the last 10-15 years and indeed as we sit here there are people in Syria who actually know what "Dangerous times" actually look like.

///ajd

8,964 posts

208 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
johnxjsc1985 said:
Dangerous times indeed and none of it is to do with Trump its like people saying this have been ignorant of what has happened in the last 10-15 years and indeed as we sit here there are people in Syria who actually know what "Dangerous times" actually look like.
Given his number of u-turns, part of me still thinks Trump may actually do very little.

Its all been a bit of a joke.

The Farage thing might just be a bit of a joke - he knows full well how embarrassing this is but he's just teasing, so perhaps nothing to worry about.

The potentially worrying bit is that he's unpredictable, and it seems he has followers who will just say "hey why not?" instead of going "err, hang on a minute".

Can he get away with anything? Could he say annex a neighbour? Would the masses cheer?

"Mr Secretary, the missiles are flying. Hallelujah!"




alfie2244

11,292 posts

190 months

Tuesday 22nd November 2016
quotequote all
hidetheelephants said:
alfie2244 said:
No prizes for guessing which ex London Mayor was saying this not so long ago.

“I would invite him to come and see the whole of London and take him round the city – except I wouldn’t want to expose any Londoners to any unnecessary risk of meeting Donald Trump.”

he also said: “The only reason I wouldn't visit some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.”
He said that in a fairly jokey manner off-the-cuff to reporters after Trump had mithered on about areas of London and Birmingham being no-go areas for police; both parties are prone to flights of oratorical fancy which are followed by backpedalling, so they have something in common! jester
Hair? silly