Finsbury Park

[andy_s]

techiedave said:

First up I am genuinely sorry for anyone caught up in this. It seems almost as callous as other attacks as it seems to have been targeted at people leaving the mosque. This is cowardly and no one should have to see stuff like this happening. People like this do not speak for me or people that I know
It seems as well that people from the mosque or in the crowd behaved with great dignity and arrested the man, holding him until the police came. This is testament to their dignity and bravery in the situation. These people are to be commended for their actions and I would hope they are recognised for this.
Secondly as if the Police simply didn't have enough on their bloody hands at the moment this sort of crap is just yet more pressure on a police force that are doing the best they can.
Thirdly if Mrs May feels she can control the agenda of issues in the UK I fear she is badly ,completely wide of the mark. Just as the focus in the news was starting to shift towards Brexit negotiations this happens. This country is in dangerous times.

Day of Rage, hysterical media, hot weather, weak PM, Trotski opposition, divided communities, demanding population, knee-jerk reaction and leadership in sound-bites. What could possibly go wrong?

[TonyToniTone]

SystemParanoia said:

Why was he not shot ?

Lack of suicide vest?

[berlintaxi]

TTmonkey said:

I'm sure he's going to turn out to be some utter loser that blames everyone else for his life being a shambles.

Not a chance, they are all too busy posting on Pistonheads.

[S11Steve]

NoIP said:

That's not actually true at all and has become the latest urban myth. You do not have to provide your NINO. Instead you log in to your online DL page and create a public link to third parties to view specific parts of your driving licence. You then give the link to people such as the car hire company so that they can check your licence is valid, any endorsements and basic details of your identity.

Depends on the rental company - some will insist on the code in advance, others will let you log on from the rental desk and do the details there. Certainly when I've been holding training sessions for rental operatives, it is advised that they tell customers to bring in their licence, two forms of ID within the last 3 months and their NI number.

Edited by S11Steve on Monday 19th June 11:25

[TonyToniTone]

p1stonhead said:

Way to promote unity Mr. Robinson

Classy

[mickk]

TonyToniTone said:

SystemParanoia said:

Why was he not shot ?

Lack of suicide vest?

And the small matter of him being held down by members of the public.

[Vaud]

TonyToniTone said:

SystemParanoia said:

Why was he not shot ?

Lack of suicide vest?

And once quickly detained he didn't represent an imminent threat to life?

[Stickyfinger]

TonyToniTone said:

p1stonhead said:

Way to promote unity Mr. Robinson

Classy

Are you saying he is actually wrong ?

(accepted he did post it for "his" reasons at this time)

[gooner1]

S11Steve said:

NoIP said:

That's not actually true at all and has become the latest urban myth. You do not have to provide your NINO. Instead you log in to your online DL page and create a public link to third parties to view specific parts of your driving licence. You then give the link to people such as the car hire company so that they can check your licence is valid, any endorsements and basic details of your identity.

Depends on the rental company - some will insist on the code in advance, others will let you log on from the rental desk and do the details there. Certainly when I've been holding training sessions for rental operatives, it is advised that they tell customers to bring in their licence, two forms of ID within the last 3 months and their NI number.

I know the vehicle hire company in question are likely to complete the paperwork this way - they get a lot of walk-in trade and retail customers who do not pre-book that far in advance.
It's probably a moot point though - police have got the information they need from the hire company bar a few written statements, but it's probably going to be a while before PVH get their van back.

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to ask the rentee, if he intended to use the van in any act of terrorism.

[Deptford Draylons]

Dindoit said:

I wonder what pushes people like this into it?

So you don't think its in direct response to Westminster or London Bridge attacks, but press coverage of halal and burka type stuff ? Interesting theory.

[Hoofy]

TonyToniTone said:

p1stonhead said:

Way to promote unity Mr. Robinson

Classy

Wasn't that mosque, anyway!

[Mothersruin]

The plod bloke saying this is attack against all of us, an attack against London, doesn't sound particularly convinced.

[Dindoit]

Deptford Draylons said:

Dindoit said:

I wonder what pushes people like this into it?

So you don't think its in direct response to Westminster or London Bridge attacks, but press coverage of halal and burka type stuff ? Interesting theory.

Of course it's a direct response to those attacks.

I'm saying that the red tops have provided a bedrock where the people last night are considered legitimate targets. The same thing happens with propaganda on the other side creating a narrative that "The West hates us" and we're all Kuffar and therefore the enemy. He didn't try to kill jihadis last night, just wanted to attack Muslims.

[Wobbegong]

Stickyfinger said:

TonyToniTone said:

p1stonhead said:

Way to promote unity Mr. Robinson

Classy

Are you saying he is actually wrong ?

(accepted he did post it for "his" reasons at this time)

He is not wrong, however he has neglected to mention the new leaders and Imams have transformed the mosque from what it was.

[BlackLabel]

It was the Muslim Welfare House where this took place, not the Finsbury Park Mosque.

[saaby93]

S11Steve said:

Vaud said:

When do you give an NI number to hire a vehicle?

Since the paper counterpart of the licence was removed, it is now needed for the online driving licence check for endorsements.

https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence

You shouldn't give your NI number to anyone other than your employer, it cant be used as a form of ID
Surprised DVLA dont know that bit in any case that site is for you to check,
not for you to give your number for someone else to check
If we're not careful there'll be a black market in NI numbers

[saaby93]

S11Steve said:

Vaud said:

When do you give an NI number to hire a vehicle?

Since the paper counterpart of the licence was removed, it is now needed for the online driving licence check for endorsements.

https://www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence

You shouldn't give your NI number to anyone other than your employer, it cant be used as a form of ID
Surprised DVLA dont know that bit in any case that site is for you to check,
not for you to give your number for someone else to check
If we're not careful there'll be a black market in NI numbers

[Vaud]

saaby93 said:

You shouldn't give your NI number to anyone other than your employer, it cant be used as a form of ID
Surprised DVLA dont know that bit in any case that site is for you to check,
not for you to give your number for someone else to check
If we're not careful there'll be a black market in NI numbers

The DVLA don't say to give it to the renter - but you should use it to generate a code.

"create a licence ‘check code’ to share your driving record with someone, for example a car hire company"

[Elroy Blue]

You don't need to give your NI number. The Dvla site generates a code that lasts a few days. This enables someone to view your endorsements (or lack of)

[Alpinestars]

Dindoit said:

Alpinestars said:

LocoCoco said:

bmw535i suspiciously not posted since this incident.

As well as many others who are at the forefront of most other terror attack threads. Conspicuously absent in words or condemnation.

For those thinking this is inevitable because of the Manchester and London attacks, I fear you are right. Many nutters will jump to a cause. The thoughts and retribution are no different to those in earlier terror attacks. Killing innocent people is always going to disenfranchise people. And some are stupid and nutty enough to channel the anger into killing other innocent people.

I wonder what pushes people like this into it?

Are you trying to justify it with that?