45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 6)
Discussion
Not-The-Messiah said:
I'm not arguing that Trump lies, but one of the biggest criticisms is the lies and misinformation. But this seems to be coming from both sides, like your post.
Your argument is he lied so he must be doing the same now. There is possibly a certain amount of logic with such argument but it isn't and shouldn't be how it works. Evidence and facts are needed to make such claims even if there is a record of dishonesty.
Just because Trump does it shouldn't make it a race to the bottom by everone doing the same.
When someone lies as much as Trump does, it's much simpler to assume he has lied rather than trying to wade through the lies and prove otherwise. He can lie faster than anyone can fact check. His (high) output of lies serves to protect him. Dont fall into the same trap or expect others to. Your argument is he lied so he must be doing the same now. There is possibly a certain amount of logic with such argument but it isn't and shouldn't be how it works. Evidence and facts are needed to make such claims even if there is a record of dishonesty.
Just because Trump does it shouldn't make it a race to the bottom by everone doing the same.
Gameface said:
The fact he is beholden and in the pocket of the likes of the Saudis and Putin is so transparent.
It’s so blatant, it really is incredible. I know the wheels of justice turn very slowly, but it doesn’t even feel like we are anywhere near the end game yet. How long will he be allowed to line his own pockets while the GOP and the American people look away?Byker28i said:
Here's Obama volunteering at a food bank
Scott Dworkin
?Barack Obama volunteered today at a food bank for Thanksgiving. Watch this video until the end, when he says how proud he is of the young girl for helping. Watch the genuine reaction. And the joy. And love. This is a real American President. Thanks, Obama.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1065110675175948288
He really is on another planet compared to this Scott Dworkin
?Barack Obama volunteered today at a food bank for Thanksgiving. Watch this video until the end, when he says how proud he is of the young girl for helping. Watch the genuine reaction. And the joy. And love. This is a real American President. Thanks, Obama.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1065110675175948288
nowadays.More class in little finger than Trump has in his whole body (regardless of either of their politics).
Byker28i said:
the donald is awake.
Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!
Hey murder a couple more opponents, as long as you drop the oil price further...
Also - Shale output has risen sharply over the past decade, pushing U.S. oil production to a record above 10 million barrels a day in 2018.
The Permian Basin in Texas is hugely responsible for that
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-permian-out...
The fun thing is that such a low oil price decimates the oil industry that is currently almost coming back to being viable. I've been around the various 'cold stacking' ports in the South and its like a graveyard of offshore support vessels. No-one in Houston, Dallas, Fouchorn, etc. are going to be happy about $54/ barrel.Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!
Hey murder a couple more opponents, as long as you drop the oil price further...
Also - Shale output has risen sharply over the past decade, pushing U.S. oil production to a record above 10 million barrels a day in 2018.
The Permian Basin in Texas is hugely responsible for that
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-permian-out...
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 21st November 13:08
fatbutt said:
The fun thing is that such a low oil price decimates the oil industry that is currently almost coming back to being viable. I've been around the various 'cold stacking' ports in the South and its like a graveyard of offshore support vessels. No-one in Houston, Dallas, Fouchorn, etc. are going to be happy about $54/ barrel.
Neither is the scottish economy...fatbutt said:
Byker28i said:
the donald is awake.
Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!
Hey murder a couple more opponents, as long as you drop the oil price further...
Also - Shale output has risen sharply over the past decade, pushing U.S. oil production to a record above 10 million barrels a day in 2018.
The Permian Basin in Texas is hugely responsible for that
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-permian-out...
The fun thing is that such a low oil price decimates the oil industry that is currently almost coming back to being viable. I've been around the various 'cold stacking' ports in the South and its like a graveyard of offshore support vessels. No-one in Houston, Dallas, Fouchorn, etc. are going to be happy about $54/ barrel.Donald J. Trump
?Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Oil prices getting lower. Great! Like a big Tax Cut for America and the World. Enjoy! $54, was just $82. Thank you to Saudi Arabia, but let’s go lower!
Hey murder a couple more opponents, as long as you drop the oil price further...
Also - Shale output has risen sharply over the past decade, pushing U.S. oil production to a record above 10 million barrels a day in 2018.
The Permian Basin in Texas is hugely responsible for that
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-permian-out...
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 21st November 13:08
https://twitter.com/WilDonnelly/status/10652529871...
Byker28i said:
Seventy said:
Just how is that wall coming along??
trump want's his monument. He told reporters at the White House Saturday that this would be a "good time" for a government shutdown if he doesn't get funding from Congress for his border wall.
"I think probably, if I was ever going to do a shutdown over border security, when you look at the caravans, when you look at the mess, when you look at the people coming in, this would be a very good time to do a shutdown," Trump said.
Trump added, however, that he didn't think a shutdown would "be necessary, because I think the Democrats will come to their senses."
Mind you he also said that the US military will remain at the US-Mexico border "as long as necessary," suggesting that the 5,900 troops deployed to the border could stay there past December 15. We know thats not true as they are planning for the withdrawal now.
Those troops mostly put up some barbed wire as a symbolic gesture
https://wokesloth.com/trumps-border-fence-photo-wa...
Just seen this one after reading the link above about the fake fence.
https://wokesloth.com/fox-news-immigration-panel-b...
Love how everyone is becoming an oil expert now that Trump is going about it.
Trump has always been pushing for a low oil price, as it benefits the economy. It's the same as his ranting about the Fed putting up interest rates - high rates/high oil prices will slow the general economy down.
The main reasons for some of the recent price increases was related to the Iran sanctions, and the OPEC plus Russia production target. This pushed up the price, and just a little over a few weeks ago people were speaking about $100 plus. However Trump was putting a lot of pressure on the OPEC (Saudis) to cut their production target to make the oil price go down. So the Iran sanctions pushed the price up, but if OPEC didn't keep rates artificially low it would have stayed down anyway. It now turns out the Iran sanctions will not be as strict as thought, and the predicted future world demand is now lower, hence the drop off a cliff we see in recent weeks. Might be partly oversold now due to panic selling.
However one thing to remember is a lot of companies will have been hedging on the prices. It's interesting, there was an article saying some companies were going to be losing loads of money as their hedging failed, but wonder how it looks with the recent drops. It means if they have hedged at recent high prices they can happily produce lots at a decent profit even if the price drops lower again. So depends how long this drop lasts. In addition companies are much better placed to cope with the downturn this time (unless it's one of the zombie companies).
Trump has always been pushing for a low oil price, as it benefits the economy. It's the same as his ranting about the Fed putting up interest rates - high rates/high oil prices will slow the general economy down.
The main reasons for some of the recent price increases was related to the Iran sanctions, and the OPEC plus Russia production target. This pushed up the price, and just a little over a few weeks ago people were speaking about $100 plus. However Trump was putting a lot of pressure on the OPEC (Saudis) to cut their production target to make the oil price go down. So the Iran sanctions pushed the price up, but if OPEC didn't keep rates artificially low it would have stayed down anyway. It now turns out the Iran sanctions will not be as strict as thought, and the predicted future world demand is now lower, hence the drop off a cliff we see in recent weeks. Might be partly oversold now due to panic selling.
However one thing to remember is a lot of companies will have been hedging on the prices. It's interesting, there was an article saying some companies were going to be losing loads of money as their hedging failed, but wonder how it looks with the recent drops. It means if they have hedged at recent high prices they can happily produce lots at a decent profit even if the price drops lower again. So depends how long this drop lasts. In addition companies are much better placed to cope with the downturn this time (unless it's one of the zombie companies).
Looks like mueller is saying it's time papadopolous goes to jail
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5218928-11...
The filing contrasts Papadopoulos's pre-sentencing "remorse" with his post-sentencing protests that he did nothing wrong.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5218928-11...
The filing contrasts Papadopoulos's pre-sentencing "remorse" with his post-sentencing protests that he did nothing wrong.
Edited by Byker28i on Wednesday 21st November 19:24
fatbutt said:
Don't think Trump cares too much about the Scottish economy. If he did, the Aberdonian 'trump is a ' slogan of the locals near his golf course might hurt his fee fees 
Putting the me in America first' slogan of the locals near his golf course might hurt his fee fees 
At least Judas negotiated a better deal than a few cents at the pump
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 22 November 07:55
The chief of Russia's GRU military intelligence agency, which is accused of orchestrating the Salisbury Novichok attack, has died after "a serious and long illness," Russian news agencies have reported, citing the defense ministry.
With Putins recent record, it does make you wonder if he had the same symptoms as those in salisbury...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/22/head-r...
Who represents the US better?
90% of the Republican caucus will now be white men.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/20...
90% of the Republican caucus will now be white men.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/20...
$72m so far for trumps political deployment of troops to the southern border.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2...
As cadet bone spurs says he's too busy with his schedule to visit troops as he has his 164 day at one of his golf clubs, or his 214th day at one of his properties...
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2...
As cadet bone spurs says he's too busy with his schedule to visit troops as he has his 164 day at one of his golf clubs, or his 214th day at one of his properties...
Byker28i said:
Who represents the US better?
90% of the Republican caucus will now be white men.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/20...
Since this is PH ….. surely they are just the best people for the jobs? 90% of the Republican caucus will now be white men.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/20...
Randy Winkman said:
Byker28i said:
Who represents the US better?
90% of the Republican caucus will now be white men.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/20...
Since this is PH ….. surely they are just the best people for the jobs? 90% of the Republican caucus will now be white men.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/20...
We can put that another way. Ninety percent of the Republican caucus will be white men. Two-thirds of the Democratic caucus won’t be.
2/3 of Democratic caucus are not white men. Or, put yet another way: If you run into a white man on the House floor next year, there’s a 2-to-1 chance he’ll be a Republican. If you run into a woman, there’s a 7-to-1 chance she’s a Democrat. If you run into a person of color, there’s a 10-to-1 chance that representative is a Democrat.
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