Is this homophobia dressed up as parents' rights?
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Talk about miss the point! It somewhat validates my criticism of the arrogance of self-appointed commentators who see nothing but problems that feed their misinterpretations. The problem lies not in the education of infant children but with those morons now past education who join the bandwagon of group hatred at 'differences' that come from a standpoint of ignorance and prejudice. There is no inherent sense of ridicule or hatred in an infant child's mind that needs a promotion of differing sexuality to resolve it. Until, that is, their elders show their own. The law has now progressed to having suitable force to gradually bring about the extinction of such hatred without this latest 'educational' experiment.
Thorodin said:
...The problem lies not in the education of infant children but with those morons now past education who join the bandwagon of group hatred at 'differences' that come from a standpoint of ignorance and prejudice...
But, 2 posts up..." I am eternally grateful my two beautiful children were not infected by this"
Thorodin said:
Talk about miss the point! It somewhat validates my criticism of the arrogance of self-appointed commentators who see nothing but problems that feed their misinterpretations. The problem lies not in the education of infant children but with those morons now past education who join the bandwagon of group hatred at 'differences' that come from a standpoint of ignorance and prejudice. There is no inherent sense of ridicule or hatred in an infant child's mind that needs a promotion of differing sexuality to resolve it. Until, that is, their elders show their own. The law has now progressed to having suitable force to gradually bring about the extinction of such hatred without this latest 'educational' experiment.
Firstly, I have no idea how you think you got that across in your first post. Secondly, this kind of education is not to resolve a sense of ridicule or hatred, it is to stop it developing.
desolate said:
deeen said:
But, 2 posts up...
" I am eternally grateful my two beautiful children were not infected by this"
I read that as meaning he was grateful they don't have to suffer this type of teaching." I am eternally grateful my two beautiful children were not infected by this"
I could be wrong though.
I think he means that he doesn't want it shoved down his throat.
deeen said:
Must admit I read it the other way... but even reading it your way, I'd suggest that education might be a good defence against ignorance!
Might that not apply to understanding people's objections? Being a tolerant society we'd understand and tolerate people while still disagreeing with them. As it is, society very liberal, but not tolerant of anyone who isn't.Sticks. said:
Might that not apply to understanding people's objections? Being a tolerant society we'd understand and tolerate people while still disagreeing with them. As it is, society very liberal, but not tolerant of anyone who isn't.
How do you work that out? There are millions of people who live a very "socially conservative" life with no problems from others in society whatsoever.NoNeed said:
GroundEffect said:
NoNeed said:
I think schools should focus on academic stuff, subjects such as relationships, religion and politics are better suited to the family
And you think parents would actually properly engage this stuff? Or just push their own opinions on their children (who will take it as gospel)?Parents have a vested interest in their offspring and will do what they believe is right. 1 hour a week in a lesson at school will not change parental teachings, if anything it will become more dogmatic as it will start by "don't listen to what they told you".
Some may find Peter Hitchens relevant this week (this stuff is becoming compulsory for children from age 5 next year).
The State Seizes Yet More Power From Parents - and it is the Tories who are responsible
Peter Hitchens said:
Revolutionaries love to indoctrinate children. You can look up yourself who said these words ‘When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”
But it does not really matter who it was. It is horribly true, and it is what all these meddlers think, and why they are all so keen on getting control of schools and youth movements.
This week, they took a great step towards their goal, which is the eradication of all that is left of conservative Christian opinion in this country.
Some of you will be astonished (I am not) that it was a nominally Conservative government which last week announced the........ (continued)
But it does not really matter who it was. It is horribly true, and it is what all these meddlers think, and why they are all so keen on getting control of schools and youth movements.
This week, they took a great step towards their goal, which is the eradication of all that is left of conservative Christian opinion in this country.
Some of you will be astonished (I am not) that it was a nominally Conservative government which last week announced the........ (continued)
joshcowin said:
In the context of this thread Yes. The muslim parents believe it is immoral, the state believe it is moral.
“As committed Nazis, we feel that teaching young Adolf that all races are equal and interracial marriages are not an abomination goes against our moral teachings”
desolate said:
amusingduck said:
Mutual respect? Tolerance?
Not really new concepts
Teaching it in schools is. Section 28 was repealed less than 20 years ago.Not really new concepts
I’m afraid that for school children 20 years ago is more than a lifetime! Sorry!
desolate said:
I read that as meaning he was grateful they don't have to suffer this type of teaching.
I could be wrong though.
I think he means that he doesn't want it shoved down his throat.
Thank you. You are correct in your in your first line. In your third: I am old enough and belligerent enough to be able to withstand proselytising and evangelism designed to further a political cause. I could be wrong though.
I think he means that he doesn't want it shoved down his throat.
The abolition of Clause 4 (anyone remember that?) started the ending of homophobia and was all that was needed. It turns out that was seen in a different light by the relevant activists and, for all P. Hitchens' faults, he was on point in the earlier reference.
The reference to the virus? Well looking for troublesome
s will usually succeed in a certain mind set.The oversensitive horror shown by critics earlier missed my admittedly clumsy point. I was referring to the fervour of the lobby that has succeeded in getting their cause maximum doctrinal prominence together with all the other fads and fancies of various empire builders in the education system. Edit: I don't know why a 'censored' has appeared, I don't swear or foul-mouth anything.
Edited by Thorodin on Tuesday 5th March 08:34
Thorodin said:
It seems a a rethink is taking place! The school has been forced to abandon anti-homophobia lessons while 'consultations' take place. Cue howls of protest.
Maybe Tommy Robinson will take time off harassing people to argue that these people should integrate with British society.Hayek said:
NoNeed said:
GroundEffect said:
NoNeed said:
I think schools should focus on academic stuff, subjects such as relationships, religion and politics are better suited to the family
And you think parents would actually properly engage this stuff? Or just push their own opinions on their children (who will take it as gospel)?Parents have a vested interest in their offspring and will do what they believe is right. 1 hour a week in a lesson at school will not change parental teachings, if anything it will become more dogmatic as it will start by "don't listen to what they told you".
Some may find Peter Hitchens relevant this week (this stuff is becoming compulsory for children from age 5 next year).
The State Seizes Yet More Power From Parents - and it is the Tories who are responsible
Peter Hitchens said:
Revolutionaries love to indoctrinate children. You can look up yourself who said these words ‘When an opponent declares, “I will not come over to your side,” I calmly say, “Your child belongs to us already... What are you? You will pass on. Your descendants, however, now stand in the new camp. In a short time they will know nothing else but this new community.”
But it does not really matter who it was. It is horribly true, and it is what all these meddlers think, and why they are all so keen on getting control of schools and youth movements.
This week, they took a great step towards their goal, which is the eradication of all that is left of conservative Christian opinion in this country.
Some of you will be astonished (I am not) that it was a nominally Conservative government which last week announced the........ (continued)
But it does not really matter who it was. It is horribly true, and it is what all these meddlers think, and why they are all so keen on getting control of schools and youth movements.
This week, they took a great step towards their goal, which is the eradication of all that is left of conservative Christian opinion in this country.
Some of you will be astonished (I am not) that it was a nominally Conservative government which last week announced the........ (continued)
If the lessons are a pretext, and not aimed at trying for a more inclusive society, then what can this pretext be? To Hitchesn, it is the eradication of conservative christian opinion. It seems an odd logic. Teaching christian beliefs as fact and/or reasonable would be, quite clearly, indoctrination. All this initiative is aimed at is to try and make kids realise that an inclusive society is beneficial.
The meddler in this circumstance is Hitchens, and he meddles in everything. Well, everything that he thinks his brother would have supported.
To an extent, I pity Hitchens. Nothing but anger and resentment in his comments. But then, reading the content, I feel sorry for anyone who reads it.
Nasty man.
I remember this at school, we didn't have anti Homophobia lessons but we did have RE, taught either by a female teacher whose name escapes me but was known as "Hamster Head" which suited her as she did indeed project a hamstery vibe, or Mr Brady who was your archetypal 80s teacher, tweed jacket with patches, big glasses, beard, Sandals, nice bloke with an added wrath of god temper on occasion. Mr Brady actually protested outside the Tatton cinema about the Life of Brian, very much I like to think the inspiration for Father Ted "Down with this sort of thing".
Anyway, I digress, only did RE until options but every lesson, half of the class used to fk off to the library, all the Muslim, Hindi and Jewish kids used to trot off as their parents had said they weren't allowed to do RE.
it annoyed me then, mainly as I wanted to dick about in the library as well and why should they get away with going to RE but it irked me that, based on the implication to my 14 year old brain, their thought their religion was so precious, they couldnt hear a single word about any other, it was basically just a list of other religions/practices and a few stories.
What would have happened if they had gone to an RE lesson other than being bored except for doing Hamster noises.
Same kind of thing going on here, La La La not listening, might hear some truth, cant have the kids making up their own minds or knowing anything before they have been programmed. The difference/problem is that the school is teaching that some people are gay and thats ok before they get to that bit of the curriculum which says some people are gay ad what the course of action is for those folk....
Am sure some think its explaining about gay sex technique rather than the concept of relationship types.
Anyway, I digress, only did RE until options but every lesson, half of the class used to f
k off to the library, all the Muslim, Hindi and Jewish kids used to trot off as their parents had said they weren't allowed to do RE.it annoyed me then, mainly as I wanted to dick about in the library as well and why should they get away with going to RE but it irked me that, based on the implication to my 14 year old brain, their thought their religion was so precious, they couldnt hear a single word about any other, it was basically just a list of other religions/practices and a few stories.
What would have happened if they had gone to an RE lesson other than being bored except for doing Hamster noises.
Same kind of thing going on here, La La La not listening, might hear some truth, cant have the kids making up their own minds or knowing anything before they have been programmed. The difference/problem is that the school is teaching that some people are gay and thats ok before they get to that bit of the curriculum which says some people are gay ad what the course of action is for those folk....
Am sure some think its explaining about gay sex technique rather than the concept of relationship types.
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