Vegan Snowflakes

[gregs656]

I don't think this reaction is necessarily anything to do with being a vegan.

See the horse meat scandal for example.

People like to know what they're being told they're eating is what they're eating.

Some people shrug it off, some don't. Unsurprisingly the ones that shrug it off aren't the ones that make newspapers on slow news days.

[Halb]

Hmmm, I think though, normally a supplier/business offering sub-standard/misleading or rubbish service would be destroyed on here...but because the recipient of the fkwittery is a 'valid target', a vegan, it's all 'snowflakes' and other ridiculous horsest.

[Pan Pan Pan]

vdn said:

Hoofy said:

vdn said:

Thesprucegoose said:

I actually had a vegan roll, it was tastier than the meat one..

I’ve heard others say the same thing!

Isn't the taste just down to putting stuff in to make it... tasty? I mean, what if you put the same herbs and spices into the pig version?

Not sure - I’m sure they do. But many people have said they prefer the vegan one and that it actually tastes more meaty / as though it’s from better quality meat. Others have said it’s as good as.

It might just mean that it has more artificial flavourings put into the vegetarian version, to replace the taste element normally provided by the meat based version?
I must confess, I have never yet eaten a cabbage, or any vegetable, that tasted like a beef burger All depends on personal taste, and as far as that goes, we know for a fact we are all different.
As posted before if people want to base their diet on different things, that is absolutely fine. What is not fine, is one group, trying to impose its view on what should be eaten, onto another group, who do not share that view.

[ZedLeg]

HustleRussell said:

Thread full of people who think they’re better than vegans criticise vegans for supposedly thinking they’re better than everybody else.

Aye, the irony of an almost 10 page moaning thread called vegan snowflakes is pretty good .

[ZedLeg]

Pan Pan Pan said:

vdn said:

Hoofy said:

vdn said:

Thesprucegoose said:

I actually had a vegan roll, it was tastier than the meat one..

I’ve heard others say the same thing!

Isn't the taste just down to putting stuff in to make it... tasty? I mean, what if you put the same herbs and spices into the pig version?

Not sure - I’m sure they do. But many people have said they prefer the vegan one and that it actually tastes more meaty / as though it’s from better quality meat. Others have said it’s as good as.

It might just mean that it has more artificial flavourings put into the vegetarian version, to replace the taste element normally provided by the meat based version?
I must confess, I have never yet eaten a cabbage, or any vegetable, that tasted like a beef burger All depends on personal taste, and as far as that goes, we know for a fact we are all different.
As posted before if people want to base their diet on different things, that is absolutely fine. What is not fine, is one group, trying to impose its view on what should be eaten, onto another group, who do not share that view.

There are loads of vegan ingredients that put that meaty savouriness into food. It's called umami, mushrooms, soy sauce, tomatoes, beer, marmite and nutritional yeast all have high levels of it.

[Pan Pan Pan]

ZedLeg said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

vdn said:

Hoofy said:

vdn said:

Thesprucegoose said:

I actually had a vegan roll, it was tastier than the meat one..

I’ve heard others say the same thing!

Isn't the taste just down to putting stuff in to make it... tasty? I mean, what if you put the same herbs and spices into the pig version?

Not sure - I’m sure they do. But many people have said they prefer the vegan one and that it actually tastes more meaty / as though it’s from better quality meat. Others have said it’s as good as.

It might just mean that it has more artificial flavourings put into the vegetarian version, to replace the taste element normally provided by the meat based version?
I must confess, I have never yet eaten a cabbage, or any vegetable, that tasted like a beef burger All depends on personal taste, and as far as that goes, we know for a fact we are all different.
As posted before if people want to base their diet on different things, that is absolutely fine. What is not fine, is one group, trying to impose its view on what should be eaten, onto another group, who do not share that view.

There are loads of vegan ingredients that put that meaty savouriness into food. It's called umami, mushrooms, soy sauce, tomatoes, beer, marmite and nutritional yeast all have high levels of it.

So the bottom line is that overall people like to eat things that taste of meat

[ZedLeg]

It doesn't always follow that vegan people don't like meat. You can be vegan for a multitude of reasons.

[HustleRussell]

To be honest the substance which passes for 'meat' in places like Greggs bears so little resemblance to the real thing that I would certainly prefer the idea of eating the plant-derived alternative. How much of the filling in a conventional Greggs sausage roll is actually pork muscle tissue and not skin, connective tissue, tendon, breadcrumb, rusk and fat?

[kev1974]

I don't particularly care if someone chooses to be vegan, but what annoys me is when they go on about greenhouse gases that farming animals creates and uses that as a justification and/or something to beat the rest of us up.

While completely ignoring that so many of the foods that vegans like such as avocados, or especially many of the newer vegan substitute foods such as jackfruit, banana blossom (commonly substituted for fish I think), most nuts, and stuff like coconut and palm oil, generally come from the other side of the planet. Now I haven't done a comparison of how much pollution is used in farming and then shipping jackfruit in from India relative to that caused by farming and then trundling a cow from Scotland or Spain or whatever, but it's not "none".

There are further environmental concerns around the amount of water that some of these products require to farm, and thus the local impact in countries where water isn't so plentiful.

At least with vegetarians, most of what they eat only needs to come short distances from the Garden of England, or Europe, and from countries where water is readily available.

[Davos123]

ZedLeg said:

It doesn't always follow that vegan people don't like meat. You can be vegan for a multitude of reasons.

Veganism is an ethical position so there's really only one reason to be vegan - that you agree with the underlying philosophy that animals are not property and their exploitation is unethical. There are a multitude of reasons people don't eat meat, though.

[Richard-390a0]

ZedLeg said:

It doesn't always follow that vegan people don't like meat. You can be vegan for a multitude of reasons.

One of the worst reasons being - Ticks that cause alpha-gal syndrome are believed to carry alpha-gal molecules from the blood of the animals they commonly bite, such as cows and sheep. ... For unknown reasons, some people have such a strong immune response to these molecules that they can no longer eat red meat without a mild to severe allergic reaction.

[ZedLeg]

kev1974 said:

I don't particularly care if someone chooses to be vegan, but what annoys me is when they go on about greenhouse gases that farming animals creates and uses that as a justification and/or something to beat the rest of us up.

While completely ignoring that so many of the foods that vegans like such as avocados, or especially many of the newer vegan substitute foods such as jackfruit, banana blossom (commonly substituted for fish I think), most nuts, and stuff like coconut and palm oil, generally come from the other side of the planet. Now I haven't done a comparison of how much pollution is used in farming and then shipping jackfruit in from India relative to that caused by farming and then trundling a cow from Scotland or Spain or whatever, but it's not "none".

There are further environmental concerns around the amount of water that some of these products require to farm, and thus the local impact in countries where water isn't so plentiful.

At least with vegetarians, most of what they eat only needs to come short distances from the Garden of England, or Europe, and from countries where water is readily available.

I don't think that anyone is ignoring these issues. It's hard to when someone pipes up with "but what about the cartel avocados?" if it comes up that you're vegan .

As I said before there are a multitude of reasons why someone would be vegan so it's impossible to speak for everyone but largely people are just trying to do the best they can according to their own beliefs or whatever. Full diclosure, I eat avocados but I try to only buy ones grown in the EU .

[Cold]

ZedLeg said:

I don't think that anyone is ignoring these issues. It's hard to when someone pipes up with "but what about the cartel avocados?" if it comes up that you're vegan .

As I said before there are a multitude of reasons why someone would be vegan so it's impossible to speak for everyone but largely people are just trying to do the best they can according to their own beliefs or whatever. Full diclosure, I eat avocados but I try to only buy ones grown in the EU .

If you believe the "science" then it won't be long until you can grow avocados in your own garden. It might be worth hurrying up that scenario by eating more meat now.

[hutchst]

ZedLeg said:

I don't think that anyone is ignoring these issues. It's hard to when someone pipes up with "but what about the cartel avocados?" if it comes up that you're vegan .

As I said before there are a multitude of reasons why someone would be vegan so it's impossible to speak for everyone but largely people are just trying to do the best they can according to their own beliefs or whatever. Full diclosure, I eat avocados but I try to only buy ones grown in the EU .

No, they're trying to force their beliefs on other people. With violence if necessary. And we would all agree if only we weren't too stupid to understand.

[ZedLeg]

I'm vegan, I'm not trying to force it one anyone else. I know there are some that are aggressively vocal about veganism but there are also people who eat meat who are the same.

[SamR380]

Davos123 said:

Veganism is an ethical position so there's really only one reason to be vegan.

No, there are other reasons. Many athletes, for example, choose a vegan deit because they have found it helps with their performance. Then there are others who care for animals as much as your average omni-eater but are concerned mostly by the environmental impact of aminal products.

[gregs656]

kev1974 said:

I don't particularly care if someone chooses to be vegan, but what annoys me is when they go on about greenhouse gases that farming animals creates and uses that as a justification and/or something to beat the rest of us up.

While completely ignoring that so many of the foods that vegans like such as avocados, or especially many of the newer vegan substitute foods such as jackfruit, banana blossom (commonly substituted for fish I think), most nuts, and stuff like coconut and palm oil, generally come from the other side of the planet. Now I haven't done a comparison of how much pollution is used in farming and then shipping jackfruit in from India relative to that caused by farming and then trundling a cow from Scotland or Spain or whatever, but it's not "none".

There are further environmental concerns around the amount of water that some of these products require to farm, and thus the local impact in countries where water isn't so plentiful.

At least with vegetarians, most of what they eat only needs to come short distances from the Garden of England, or Europe, and from countries where water is readily available.

Generally it is sensible to do some independent research prior to forming your opinion.

For example, if you are concerned about water use (and we all should be) meat uses a disproportionate quantity to produce.

I don’t disagree that there is a risk of substituting our problems, but eating less meat is not a bad idea from an environmental POV.

[anonymous-user]

ZedLeg said:

I'm vegan, I'm not trying to force it one anyone else. I know there are some that are aggressively vocal about veganism but there are also people who eat meat who are the same.

Same here. I think the problem lies with non vegans not realising just how many vegan people there are, as the only ones they hear about are the ones making a fuss, which gives people a false perspective leading to the belief that all vegans are the same, which is as ridiculous as thinking all people who have brown hair are the same, for example.

[Mort7]

If a vegan or vegetarian is either mistakenly or deliberately given meat, and they become annoyed, is it socially acceptable to refer to them as a gammon? Just asking.

[ZedLeg]

Mort7 said:

If a vegan or vegetarian is either mistakenly or deliberately given meat, and they become annoyed, is it socially acceptable to refer to them as a gammon? Just asking.

I think if someone deliberately gives meat to someone they know doesn't eat it they're entirely right to be annoyed, it's a dick move.

I think in the case of what happened in the op throwing a fit was a bit over the top, accidents happen. Take it back and explain the mistake but there's no point getting wound up about it. I've had a few of the vegan sausage rolls and I'll watch them put it in the bag to make sure I'm getting the right thing.

I did that if I was getting a Greggs even before I was vegan tbh.