To BONG or not to BONG, that is the question

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Pan Pan Pan said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

crankedup said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Silkyskills said:

With the country split almost down the middle on Brexit and all of this talk of uniting the country what will sounding the bell do to help?

Remainers will see it as triumphalist and leavers will revel in it in front of remainers.

This won't help heal any wounds or bring the population together.

We're leaving, let it lie at that.

Boris uniting the country. So far, a knighthood for IDS, one of the most divisive politicians of recent years. JR-M in a position of power, another very divisive politician. Now millions spent on a celebration of something millions of people don't want, that will be happening anyway.

Way to go Boris.

Can’t please everybody unfortunately, only the majority.

Plenty of Leavers on this thread, think it's a crap idea. Where's the evidence to show that having this celebration will please the majority?

Where`s the evidence that it wont?

I haven't claimed that the majority don't want a celebration. I suspect if you added the remainers to the leavers who don't want to waste money on this nonsense, that would be the majority, but that's just my hunch.

But it was stated as fact that this celebration WOULD please the majority. So where's the evidence?

[MDMetal]

As far as I can see the UK and most other countries celebrated joining the EU (or it's prior incarnations) fireworks, parties, perhaps large clocks ringing.

So why not the same when we leave? If you ignore any of the political or personal views this is a new chapter or a huge change. It deserves to be marked, close or not it's what the country decided "the country" is neutral it's the sum of it's populace. Are we going to end up trying to rerun another old argument? If the vote was 60/40 could we celebrate? whats the margin of opinion that allows a celebration? Is it absolute or relative? It's just daft. It's the responsibility of all of us to build and push for a better country and a better way of life for all. If we don't like the result we can't sit on our hands and say we had a different view so we're not going to help out. This isn't some Brexit nonsense this is just how democratic countries and structures work.

We have the power to make these things a success and this should be a call to action if nothing else, lets not sit here in 10 years thinking why did we mark so many other trivial changes and not this. It should be the closing of one door and the opening of others. Nobodies life is better or worse 1 second after, that lies in our hands.

[chrispmartha]

[quote=MDMetal lets not sit here in 10 years thinking why did we mark so many other trivial changes and not this.
[/quote]


It's OK, I won't.

[Silkyskills]

This thread appears to prove exactly what I said on page 1.

We are supposed to be uniting the country now, spending £500k on something that 48% of the country will just think is triumphalist is not going to help heal the huge chasm currently afflicting our great country.

We are leaving - why not let it rest at that.

[minimoog]

Silkyskills said:

We are leaving - why not let it rest at that.

And pass up an opportunity to rub 16M people's noses in it? Where's your patriotism?!

[MDMetal]

minimoog said:

Silkyskills said:

We are leaving - why not let it rest at that.

And pass up an opportunity to rub 16M people's noses in it? Where's your patriotism?!

Nose rubbing, what was the vote breakdown did we join? I'm sure enough people had a glum evening that time round when the country voted differently to them. People need to grow up unless we all vote for the same thing every time we always have to deal with a difference of opinion, people are always at different cycles in their lives and have their own issues.

Can't we just celebrate a change a different tack and use it as the point to mark a change in attitude, if people are really so sour puss to think they're going to withdraw from everything every time they don't get their way then we really live a spoilt childish place. This was one of the defining undercurrents to the whole thing that it became clear very quickly certain parts of the population think their views override others and they're not used to finding out the can't get their own way.

Lets hear the bell ring and use it to remind ourselves we have a unique chance to change and shape the future of the country we live in and we can do that based on whatever our own personal ideals are.

If people think it's done in spite that's their own little warped view.

[amusingduck]

Silkyskills said:

This thread appears to prove exactly what I said on page 1.

We are supposed to be uniting the country now, spending £500k on something that 48% of the country will just think is triumphalist is not going to help heal the huge chasm currently afflicting our great country.

We are leaving - why not let it rest at that.

48% as of three and a half years ago. It's really died off since then

[BOR]

Maybe the rest of us in Europe could Bong for you too ?

After all, it's also a celebration for us that you've finally got your st together and are pissing off.

Everyone is always secretly relieved when the mouthy little racist kid takes his football and fks off home.

BONG !

[DanL]

Four Litre said:

Its a massive event in history. the UK breaking free after a long hard battle against people who didn't respect democracy. Whats not to celebrate.

Time to be proud of the UK again and celebrate what we will achieve in the coming years.

Bugger me - it’s hardly the fall of the Berlin Wall, with the UK finally breaking free from the oppressive yolk of the EU dictatorship and their jackbooted troops.

[amusingduck]

BOR said:

Everyone is always secretly relieved when the mouthy little racist kid takes his football and fks off home.

Merkel doesn't seem very relieved, unless 'wake up call' is a celebratory term in Germany?

Enjoy the football, I hope you find it good value for money

[Four Litre]

MDMetal said:

minimoog said:

Silkyskills said:

We are leaving - why not let it rest at that.

And pass up an opportunity to rub 16M people's noses in it? Where's your patriotism?!

Nose rubbing, what was the vote breakdown did we join? I'm sure enough people had a glum evening that time round when the country voted differently to them. People need to grow up unless we all vote for the same thing every time we always have to deal with a difference of opinion, people are always at different cycles in their lives and have their own issues.

Can't we just celebrate a change a different tack and use it as the point to mark a change in attitude, if people are really so sour puss to think they're going to withdraw from everything every time they don't get their way then we really live a spoilt childish place. This was one of the defining undercurrents to the whole thing that it became clear very quickly certain parts of the population think their views override others and they're not used to finding out the can't get their own way.

Lets hear the bell ring and use it to remind ourselves we have a unique chance to change and shape the future of the country we live in and we can do that based on whatever our own personal ideals are.

If people think it's done in spite that's their own little warped view.

Imagine the party other countries would lay on if they were in the same boat. It needs to be seen in a positive light and get people thinking we can make it on our own. Imagine a similar thing in the USA, would be a national party with flags on every corner. Here we have people moaning it might offend somebody who doesn't like it!!!

Its that kind of negativity and defeatist attitude we need to lose quickly.

[MDMetal]

Four Litre said:

MDMetal said:

minimoog said:

Silkyskills said:

We are leaving - why not let it rest at that.

And pass up an opportunity to rub 16M people's noses in it? Where's your patriotism?!

Nose rubbing, what was the vote breakdown did we join? I'm sure enough people had a glum evening that time round when the country voted differently to them. People need to grow up unless we all vote for the same thing every time we always have to deal with a difference of opinion, people are always at different cycles in their lives and have their own issues.

Can't we just celebrate a change a different tack and use it as the point to mark a change in attitude, if people are really so sour puss to think they're going to withdraw from everything every time they don't get their way then we really live a spoilt childish place. This was one of the defining undercurrents to the whole thing that it became clear very quickly certain parts of the population think their views override others and they're not used to finding out the can't get their own way.

Lets hear the bell ring and use it to remind ourselves we have a unique chance to change and shape the future of the country we live in and we can do that based on whatever our own personal ideals are.

If people think it's done in spite that's their own little warped view.

Imagine the party other countries would lay on if they were in the same boat. It needs to be seen in a positive light and get people thinking we can make it on our own. Imagine a similar thing in the USA, would be a national party with flags on every corner. Here we have people moaning it might offend somebody who doesn't like it!!!

Its that kind of negativity and defeatist attitude we need to lose quickly.

100% it's also not to be seen as celebrating a past action, it's not some delayed "we won the vote party" it's to mark the beginning of the next chapter. Why does everyone spend their lives worrying that someone somewhere is busy trying to get one over on them? No wonder there's no social cohesion anything is a risk of something else.

[chrispmartha]

Four Litre said:

MDMetal said:

minimoog said:

Silkyskills said:

We are leaving - why not let it rest at that.

And pass up an opportunity to rub 16M people's noses in it? Where's your patriotism?!

Nose rubbing, what was the vote breakdown did we join? I'm sure enough people had a glum evening that time round when the country voted differently to them. People need to grow up unless we all vote for the same thing every time we always have to deal with a difference of opinion, people are always at different cycles in their lives and have their own issues.

Can't we just celebrate a change a different tack and use it as the point to mark a change in attitude, if people are really so sour puss to think they're going to withdraw from everything every time they don't get their way then we really live a spoilt childish place. This was one of the defining undercurrents to the whole thing that it became clear very quickly certain parts of the population think their views override others and they're not used to finding out the can't get their own way.

Lets hear the bell ring and use it to remind ourselves we have a unique chance to change and shape the future of the country we live in and we can do that based on whatever our own personal ideals are.

If people think it's done in spite that's their own little warped view.

Imagine the party other countries would lay on if they were in the same boat. It needs to be seen in a positive light and get people thinking we can make it on our own. Imagine a similar thing in the USA, would be a national party with flags on every corner. Here we have people moaning it might offend somebody who doesn't like it!!!

Its that kind of negativity and defeatist attitude we need to lose quickly.

Thankfully we don’t do blind patriotism and jimgoism like our American friends

[eldar]

Four Litre said:

Imagine the party other countries would lay on if they were in the same boat. It needs to be seen in a positive light and get people thinking we can make it on our own. Imagine a similar thing in the USA, would be a national party with flags on every corner. Here we have people moaning it might offend somebody who doesn't like it!!!

Its that kind of negativity and defeatist attitude we need to lose quickly.

Good thing? Maybe, maybe not.

In 15 years we’ll have changed our minds once the large tranche of Brexit voting coffin dodgers lose the ability to dodge.

Or not, who cares.

[anonymous-user]

DanL said:

Four Litre said:

Its a massive event in history. the UK breaking free after a long hard battle against people who didn't respect democracy. Whats not to celebrate.

Time to be proud of the UK again and celebrate what we will achieve in the coming years.

Bugger me - it’s hardly the fall of the Berlin Wall, with the UK finally breaking free from the oppressive yolk of the EU dictatorship and their jackbooted troops.

This.

It amuses greatly that leaving behind something which had zero tangible impact on the vast majority of peoples’ is being heralded as a “release” akin to the collapse of the Soviet Bloc or the removal of Pinochet.

[chrispmartha]

Anyway, nobody is stopping those on here wanting a party to organise one, go ahead organise a street party or something, let us know how it goes.

[anonymous-user]

chrispmartha said:

Anyway, nobody is stopping those on here wanting a party to organise one, go ahead organise a street party or something, let us know how it goes.

The big PH smoke out

I wonder what would be in the sandwiches ?

[s2art]

eldar said:

Four Litre said:

Imagine the party other countries would lay on if they were in the same boat. It needs to be seen in a positive light and get people thinking we can make it on our own. Imagine a similar thing in the USA, would be a national party with flags on every corner. Here we have people moaning it might offend somebody who doesn't like it!!!

Its that kind of negativity and defeatist attitude we need to lose quickly.

Good thing? Maybe, maybe not.

In 15 years we’ll have changed our minds once the large tranche of Brexit voting coffin dodgers lose the ability to dodge.

Or not, who cares.

Its OK, a big tranch of remainers will be 15 years older and wiser.

[amusingduck]

Brooking10 said:

chrispmartha said:

Anyway, nobody is stopping those on here wanting a party to organise one, go ahead organise a street party or something, let us know how it goes.

The big PH smoke out

I wonder what would be in the sandwiches ?

SIBI is doing the catering. As a 'neutral' it's hoped he'll bring both sides together.

Spam sandwiches, Pork Pies, Union Jack victoria sponge for pudding

Sour Grapes available for those who want them

[don'tbesilly]

don'tbesilly said:

£50K up

https://www.gofundme.com/f/bigbenbongforbrexit?d=T...

It's running at approx 10K an hour so it's likely to smash the target (500K) within the time period (end of the Wk/end) and leave a hefty sum for Help for Heroes, a win all around.