Coronavirus - the killer flu that will wipe us out? (Vol. 7)

[Munter]

markyb_lcy said:

ToastMan76 said:

Twitter/Facebook/Imgur/Reddit are extreme Labour/‘Liberal’ [perceived] echo chambers.

I disagree with this statement. I think they all provide whatever echo chamber you want them to (based on who you follow, friend, subscribe to etc) ... this is the very definition of an echo chamber.

Trends breaks that. If I go on Twitter invariably the trending hashtags are totally different to my feed. My own feed might be 70/30 right/left. But the trending topics are rarely in support of anything the right has done.

Right now the #backtowork, if I click on it the first tween shown is:

1. BackToWork Know your rights. Join a union. Save lives

Clearly some dimwhit who want's unions to stop people going back to work. Very lefty, and typical of twitter trending topics.

Twitter is a left biased platform and I see that, despite not choosing to see any of it.

[skinnyman]

Gareth1974 said:

I can now meet my Mum, if she remains a minimum of two metres away from me. But if my Dad has accompanied my Mum on the trip, I understand can’t meet him. So have far away from us does he need to stand to avoid being classed as part of the gathering? It clearly has to be greater distance than the 2m distance my Mum has to maintain. Is 5m acceptable? Or 10m? 50m?

Your parents need to start about 10m apart, and then you can walk from one to the other, keeping 2 metres away as you do. I believe then you'll be ok.

[Munter]

Zirconia said:

Nor the minions trueing him infant of the press by all accounts, public Q+A only. Back to normal tomorrow when Bojo is not at risk of dropping the script?

Journo's are getting briefed instead.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/11...

"Of course there is nothing wrong with politicians doing Q&As with members of the public. Sometimes they pose harder or more interesting questions than journalists. But normally they don’t, "

Which really is surprising given such a low bar. But there you go.

[Red 4]

otolith said:

Red 4 said:

The scheme was too generous to business so that isn't a surprise.

If it had been meaner, you'd be saying it was leaving people in poverty.

If Corbyn were doing it, you'd love it, and your equal and opposite numbers on the myopic, knee-jerking partisan right would be accusing him of implementing communism.

Tiresome.

I'd say that the scheme should be subject to very stringent checks and balances and it shouldn't be the default easy option, actually.

If a business is profitable and able to ride out the storm then that is what they should do - not jump on the bandwagon for free cash.

You see, there you go again. You're wide of the mark. Again.

PS I'm not a Labour voter or a fan of Corbyn but, clearly, it makes you feel better to think I am.
Weird. Are you Torybloke's alternative log in ?

[Gareth1974]

skinnyman said:

Gareth1974 said:

I can now meet my Mum, if she remains a minimum of two metres away from me. But if my Dad has accompanied my Mum on the trip, I understand can’t meet him. So have far away from us does he need to stand to avoid being classed as part of the gathering? It clearly has to be greater distance than the 2m distance my Mum has to maintain. Is 5m acceptable? Or 10m? 50m?

Your parents need to start about 10m apart, and then you can walk from one to the other, keeping 2 metres away as you do. I believe then you'll be ok.

So we’d be at risk of being fined at 5m but 10m is ok?

[otolith]

ToastMan76 said:

what I have noticed is that the Labour supported echo chambers are the ones which are most rabid, aggressive and ignorant to other viewpoints.

That is because people on the right tend to think (often incorrectly) that those who don't agree with them are stupid and those on the left tend to think (often incorrectly) that those who don't agree with them are wicked.

[Jimbeaux]

Garvin said:

minimoog said:

turbobloke said:

News outlets are doing a great job as usual, finding only people with something to moan about. It's the same record just the flipside.

Headteacher in March "it's so sudden it's not fair education education education won't somebody think of the poor ickle childwen"

Headteacher in May "it's not fair it's so soon nobody is holding my hand telling me what to do won't somebody think of Starmer"

Always well-qualified and well-salaried to hold a union card.

What it must be like living your life pissing your nappy like this all the time.

TBF I think that, of any poster here, TB is the least likely to be "pissing his nappy". In fact I believe he abhors those who just continually piss their nappies.

True statement. Turbobloke is fore and again hard!

[Budflicker]

I am an aerial and satellite service engineer and in the course of a normal week would enter and work in around 30-40 different apartments.

I have not worked since the lock down began however after last nights announcement it seems that i should be returning to work, and indeed judging by the phone and email this morning customers are also expecting it to resume.


So, I can visit and work inside of say 25-30 apartments and houses this week allowing for a bit of extra time above the normal for PPE etc however at the end of the week it is prohibited for me to pop in to my mates house to have a chat or go around my parents garden for a cup of tea?

???

[Nimby]

Gareth1974 said:

skinnyman said:

Gareth1974 said:

I can now meet my Mum, if she remains a minimum of two metres away from me. But if my Dad has accompanied my Mum on the trip, I understand can’t meet him. So have far away from us does he need to stand to avoid being classed as part of the gathering? It clearly has to be greater distance than the 2m distance my Mum has to maintain. Is 5m acceptable? Or 10m? 50m?

Your parents need to start about 10m apart, and then you can walk from one to the other, keeping 2 metres away as you do. I believe then you'll be ok.

So we’d be at risk of being fined at 5m but 10m is ok?

Form an equilateral triangle of side 2m. You're meeting your mum, she's meeting your dad, and he's meeting you.

[John Locke]

Budflicker said:

I am an aerial and satellite service engineer and in the course of a normal week would enter and work in around 30-40 different apartments.

I have not worked since the lock down began however after last nights announcement it seems that i should be returning to work, and indeed judging by the phone and email this morning customers are also expecting it to resume.


So, I can visit and work inside of say 25-30 apartments and houses this week allowing for a bit of extra time above the normal for PPE etc however at the end of the week it is prohibited for me to pop in to my mates house to have a chat or go around my parents garden for a cup of tea?

???

Who said that following the science involved logic?

[Red 4]

My prediction.

Beaches, nature reserves, touristy destinations will be absolutely rammed this weekend.
This, of course, assumes it doesn't piss down. The roads will be gridlocked in the surrounding areas.
There goes the "lockdown" folks.

In other news the R number is just below 1.
It is very bad news if it exceeds 1.
We are doing everything we can to stop this happening.
Unless you fancy a jolly to the coast. Obvs.

[ToastMan76]

otolith said:

That is because people on the right tend to think (often incorrectly) that those who don't agree with them are stupid and those on the left tend to think (often incorrectly) that those who don't agree with them are wicked.

I dont think that people on the left are stupid, far from it. I do think there is a significant naivety in the lefts way of thinking - an ‘itll be alright if only we did this’ which is totally against what ‘facts’ (using for want of a better word) may suggest. Many studies show that the liberal leaning are more driven by emotions rather than logic. Im fully aware my own bias is to the right and a self responsibility aside from societal responsibility. But I also share views that society should support those most in need, either indefinitely for those who need it permanently, or temporarily For those who find themselves in circumstances beyond their control for a short time. On a lot of issues I would bet most of us are actually in centrist agreement broadly, but it seems ever since 2016 we have been forced more and more into our camps that enforces the narrative that the other side can do no right.

[MOTORVATOR]

Alucidnation said:

I'm sure i read somewhere that new infections were mainly picked up whilst in hospital and not out in the community.

A question that has been avoided over and again. Boris let slip yesterday the "Epidemics in Hospitals and Care Homes" which again nobody is picking up on.

My fear is that we have potentially wasted the opportunity to protect the vulnerable within the community by locking them up for 8 weeks when they may have been at a lower risk than they will be in the coming 12.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Budflicker said:

I am an aerial and satellite service engineer and in the course of a normal week would enter and work in around 30-40 different apartments.

I have not worked since the lock down began however after last nights announcement it seems that i should be returning to work, and indeed judging by the phone and email this morning customers are also expecting it to resume.

So, I can visit and work inside of say 25-30 apartments and houses this week allowing for a bit of extra time above the normal for PPE etc however at the end of the week it is prohibited for me to pop in to my mates house to have a chat or go around my parents garden for a cup of tea?

???

Pretty much - the government is clear - you should be going back to work from Wednesday. Just ensuring you do so safely - more information on what that entails is coming shortly apparently, but I think we can imagine it means with PPE etc.

The inconsistency about meeting your friends is likely to get resolved in the next few weeks.

[otolith]

ToastMan76 said:

otolith said:

That is because people on the right tend to think (often incorrectly) that those who don't agree with them are stupid and those on the left tend to think (often incorrectly) that those who don't agree with them are wicked.

I dont think that people on the left are stupid, far from it. I do think there is a significant naivety in the lefts way of thinking - an ‘itll be alright if only we did this’ which is totally against what ‘facts’ (using for want of a better word) may suggest. Many studies show that the liberal leaning are more driven by emotions rather than logic. Im fully aware my own bias is to the right and a self responsibility aside from societal responsibility. But I also share views that society should support those most in need, either indefinitely for those who need it permanently, or temporarily For those who find themselves in circumstances beyond their control for a short time. On a lot of issues I would bet most of us are actually in centrist agreement broadly, but it seems ever since 2016 we have been forced more and more into our camps that enforces the narrative that the other side can do no right.

Yes, that's the point - people on the right tend to think that left wingers are well meaning but wrong, stupid, naïve, etc, while those on the left tend to think that right wingers are greedy, selfish, uncaring, etc and, morally flawed. Hence the aggression. They don't just think you are wrong, they think you are a bad person.

[bodhi]

The 50 page document behind last night's speech is available through Guido:

https://order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05...

Only had a quick scan, but noticed face coverings to be used where social distancing is not possible (public transport, small shops), and meeting family properly will be in Phase 2, so about 3 weeks away.

[RemarkLima]

Nimby said:

Gareth1974 said:

skinnyman said:

Gareth1974 said:

I can now meet my Mum, if she remains a minimum of two metres away from me. But if my Dad has accompanied my Mum on the trip, I understand can’t meet him. So have far away from us does he need to stand to avoid being classed as part of the gathering? It clearly has to be greater distance than the 2m distance my Mum has to maintain. Is 5m acceptable? Or 10m? 50m?

Your parents need to start about 10m apart, and then you can walk from one to the other, keeping 2 metres away as you do. I believe then you'll be ok.

So we’d be at risk of being fined at 5m but 10m is ok?

Form an equilateral triangle of side 2m. You're meeting your mum, she's meeting your dad, and he's meeting you.

Just keep increasing this until you have a great big matrix of all the people you know and job's a carrot!

[Brave Fart]

Red 4 said:

My prediction.

Beaches, nature reserves, touristy destinations will be absolutely rammed this weekend.
This, of course, assumes it doesn't piss down. The roads will be gridlocked in the surrounding areas.
There goes the "lockdown" folks.

Is such behaviour not inevitable at some point though? Especially since foreign holidays aren't happening.
What criteria would you want to see for you to be happy with such "jollies" occurring?

[Stay in Bed Instead]

All I want to know is when are hookers going to be allowed to work?

[Inaprop Riat]

Munter said:

Zirconia said:

Nor the minions trueing him infant of the press by all accounts, public Q+A only. Back to normal tomorrow when Bojo is not at risk of dropping the script?

Journo's are getting briefed instead.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/11...

"Of course there is nothing wrong with politicians doing Q&As with members of the public. Sometimes they pose harder or more interesting questions than journalists. But normally they don’t, "

Which really is surprising given such a low bar. But there you go.

Sour grapes from the Guardian.

If this is the start of a change of emphasis with only the public being able to put questions to officials at the briefings, I have to say I'm all for it. About time the press were taken down a peg and I've found many of the public questions far more intelligent and productive than the media questions.