Maxwell Arrested
Discussion
Stigproducts said:
dukeboy749r said:
Stigproducts said:
I'd go with "teenage prostitutes try and shake down Epstein for money in light of #metoo giving them the impression they are not responsible for their own decisions". Because they might have been under 18 at some stage in the "grooming" there might be a point of law but IMO they are taking the piss. I haven't watched the Netflix documentary but I did listen to a podcast about this. The "victims" on that were a joke. Even if I 100% believed their story, as portrayed by them, they are having a laugh. One of them said that she was given loads of money for college and a job and one time JE tried it on with her (he tried to hold her hand OMG!). She told him to bugger off. Then after that, her sister was working for JE and he tried it on with HER!! She told him to bugger off, that was the end of it. The first sister said she felt bad, for not telling her sister what a beast JE was but she didn't get a chance because (after the hand holding terror) she was on a 1 year study abroad program in Thailand and didn't get the chance. Guess who paid for the year long holiday? She didn't seem to have a problem with that, but 20 years later "OMG I was horrifically groomed and abused. Can I have some more money now please?" That's the victims poster girl? Do me a favour.
In light of lots of complainants, this is a pretty bold statement to make.I've got a big sense of deja vu from the good old Jimmy Saville days. We started with
-"he fingered me behind the set at top of the pops and I was only 15, can i have some money now please?"
and it was a quick hop step jump to
-"we will believe your stories and not even question them ladies, come one come all, free money" finishing up at
-"he raped a 7 year old boy and was running an elite peadophile ring".
That didn't end well for a lot of people, such as Harvey Proctor, who did nothing wrong.
Have you been accussed of sexual assault? Seems you've got an axe to grind.
Stigproducts said:
I'd go with "teenage prostitutes try and shake down Epstein for money in light of #metoo giving them the impression they are not responsible for their own decisions". Because they might have been under 18 at some stage in the "grooming" there might be a point of law but IMO they are taking the piss. I haven't watched the Netflix documentary but I did listen to a podcast about this. The "victims" on that were a joke. Even if I 100% believed their story, as portrayed by them, they are having a laugh. One of them said that she was given loads of money for college and a job and one time JE tried it on with her (he tried to hold her hand OMG!). She told him to bugger off. Then after that, her sister was working for JE and he tried it on with HER!! She told him to bugger off, that was the end of it. The first sister said she felt bad, for not telling her sister what a beast JE was but she didn't get a chance because (after the hand holding terror) she was on a 1 year study abroad program in Thailand and didn't get the chance. Guess who paid for the year long holiday? She didn't seem to have a problem with that, but 20 years later "OMG I was horrifically groomed and abused. Can I have some more money now please?" That's the victims poster girl? Do me a favour.
Top tip - do more to acquaint yourself with the facts. Y’know, maybe more than just listening to a podcast,It’ll save you a good deal of embarrassment in the long run.
Stigproducts said:
dukeboy749r said:
Stigproducts said:
I'd go with "teenage prostitutes try and shake down Epstein for money in light of #metoo giving them the impression they are not responsible for their own decisions". Because they might have been under 18 at some stage in the "grooming" there might be a point of law but IMO they are taking the piss. I haven't watched the Netflix documentary but I did listen to a podcast about this. The "victims" on that were a joke. Even if I 100% believed their story, as portrayed by them, they are having a laugh. One of them said that she was given loads of money for college and a job and one time JE tried it on with her (he tried to hold her hand OMG!). She told him to bugger off. Then after that, her sister was working for JE and he tried it on with HER!! She told him to bugger off, that was the end of it. The first sister said she felt bad, for not telling her sister what a beast JE was but she didn't get a chance because (after the hand holding terror) she was on a 1 year study abroad program in Thailand and didn't get the chance. Guess who paid for the year long holiday? She didn't seem to have a problem with that, but 20 years later "OMG I was horrifically groomed and abused. Can I have some more money now please?" That's the victims poster girl? Do me a favour.
In light of lots of complainants, this is a pretty bold statement to make.I've got a big sense of deja vu from the good old Jimmy Saville days. We started with
-"he fingered me behind the set at top of the pops and I was only 15, can i have some money now please?"
and it was a quick hop step jump to
-"we will believe your stories and not even question them ladies, come one come all, free money" finishing up at
-"he raped a 7 year old boy and was running an elite peadophile ring".
That didn't end well for a lot of people, such as Harvey Proctor, who did nothing wrong.
I'm not sure the actions of the 14-year-olds mitigate the offences in any way. If any sex or sexual assaults were against their will, then a whole new class of offence is opened.
The argument of money grabbing women who are making things up, the same sort of accusations occurred with regards the Savile complainants and, to trump that by numbers, those who complained of being abused by various priests in the catholic churches around the world.
If, by the considerable number of quotes you used in your first post, you are suggesting they are telling lies, particularly that they are not victims, then why not?
All on the assumption that underage sex assaults did occur.
I'm not sure what the, if you'll excuse the quotes, "middle aged skanks" is meant to suggest.
Derek Smith said:
Stigproducts said:
dukeboy749r said:
Stigproducts said:
I'd go with "teenage prostitutes try and shake down Epstein for money in light of #metoo giving them the impression they are not responsible for their own decisions". Because they might have been under 18 at some stage in the "grooming" there might be a point of law but IMO they are taking the piss. I haven't watched the Netflix documentary but I did listen to a podcast about this. The "victims" on that were a joke. Even if I 100% believed their story, as portrayed by them, they are having a laugh. One of them said that she was given loads of money for college and a job and one time JE tried it on with her (he tried to hold her hand OMG!). She told him to bugger off. Then after that, her sister was working for JE and he tried it on with HER!! She told him to bugger off, that was the end of it. The first sister said she felt bad, for not telling her sister what a beast JE was but she didn't get a chance because (after the hand holding terror) she was on a 1 year study abroad program in Thailand and didn't get the chance. Guess who paid for the year long holiday? She didn't seem to have a problem with that, but 20 years later "OMG I was horrifically groomed and abused. Can I have some more money now please?" That's the victims poster girl? Do me a favour.
In light of lots of complainants, this is a pretty bold statement to make.I've got a big sense of deja vu from the good old Jimmy Saville days. We started with
-"he fingered me behind the set at top of the pops and I was only 15, can i have some money now please?"
and it was a quick hop step jump to
-"we will believe your stories and not even question them ladies, come one come all, free money" finishing up at
-"he raped a 7 year old boy and was running an elite peadophile ring".
That didn't end well for a lot of people, such as Harvey Proctor, who did nothing wrong.
I'm not sure the actions of the 14-year-olds mitigate the offences in any way. If any sex or sexual assaults were against their will, then a whole new class of offence is opened.
The argument of money grabbing women who are making things up, the same sort of accusations occurred with regards the Savile complainants and, to trump that by numbers, those who complained of being abused by various priests in the catholic churches around the world.
If, by the considerable number of quotes you used in your first post, you are suggesting they are telling lies, particularly that they are not victims, then why not?
All on the assumption that underage sex assaults did occur.
I'm not sure what the, if you'll excuse the quotes, "middle aged skanks" is meant to suggest.
Having watched the NF documentary (which is more focused on JE than GM) it seemed like a very sick pyramid scheme was being run
So one girl would recruit a girl for 'massage services' and receive a fee, and so on.
I think in their eyes being a 'recruiter' would remove them from the front line so to speak. Better the 'new girl' doing the massage than them.
I would guess GM would add some credibility - a 50 year old geezer can't exactly take a bunch of teenage girls shoe shopping at the local mall. Presumably played a role in recruitment as well.
Sounds like FBI have known for a while but been building a case.
Would like to think justice will be done.
So one girl would recruit a girl for 'massage services' and receive a fee, and so on.
I think in their eyes being a 'recruiter' would remove them from the front line so to speak. Better the 'new girl' doing the massage than them.
I would guess GM would add some credibility - a 50 year old geezer can't exactly take a bunch of teenage girls shoe shopping at the local mall. Presumably played a role in recruitment as well.
Sounds like FBI have known for a while but been building a case.
Would like to think justice will be done.
hungry_hog said:
So one girl would recruit a girl for 'massage services' and receive a fee, and so on.
I think in their eyes being a 'recruiter' would remove them from the front line so to speak. Better the 'new girl' doing the massage than them.
Seems that's how it works sometimes in modern slavery, the exploited can become exploiters themselves. So is the person being prosecuted a victim or a perp.?I think in their eyes being a 'recruiter' would remove them from the front line so to speak. Better the 'new girl' doing the massage than them.
longblackcoat said:
Stigproducts said:
I'd go with "teenage prostitutes try and shake down Epstein for money in light of #metoo giving them the impression they are not responsible for their own decisions". Because they might have been under 18 at some stage in the "grooming" there might be a point of law but IMO they are taking the piss. I haven't watched the Netflix documentary but I did listen to a podcast about this. The "victims" on that were a joke. Even if I 100% believed their story, as portrayed by them, they are having a laugh. One of them said that she was given loads of money for college and a job and one time JE tried it on with her (he tried to hold her hand OMG!). She told him to bugger off. Then after that, her sister was working for JE and he tried it on with HER!! She told him to bugger off, that was the end of it. The first sister said she felt bad, for not telling her sister what a beast JE was but she didn't get a chance because (after the hand holding terror) she was on a 1 year study abroad program in Thailand and didn't get the chance. Guess who paid for the year long holiday? She didn't seem to have a problem with that, but 20 years later "OMG I was horrifically groomed and abused. Can I have some more money now please?" That's the victims poster girl? Do me a favour.
Top tip - do more to acquaint yourself with the facts. Y’know, maybe more than just listening to a podcast,It’ll save you a good deal of embarrassment in the long run.
tim0409 said:
Not really - Dershowitz is hardly impartial is he, given his links to those implicated (and that he's implicated himself)smn159 said:
Not really - Dershowitz is hardly impartial is he, given his links to those implicated (and that he's implicated himself)
I still think it’s worth reading a contrary view, however biased it may be. I think Epstein was a complete scumbag, but that doesn’t mean his (or Maxwell’s) accusers claims should not be tested and verified.tim0409 said:
smn159 said:
Not really - Dershowitz is hardly impartial is he, given his links to those implicated (and that he's implicated himself)
I still think it’s worth reading a contrary view, however biased it may be. I think Epstein was a complete scumbag, but that doesn’t mean his (or Maxwell’s) accusers claims should not be tested and verified.Let's hope she remains alive long enough to get one.
tim0409 said:
Odd he doesn't mention the fact he was Epstein's lawyer, or received 'massages' himself - but it was OK, he kept his pants on.He is correct though that she should revice a fair trial - with all the evidence availabe presented, and people like him cross-examined.
king piece of sStigproducts said:
I'd go with "teenage prostitutes try and shake down Epstein for money in light of #metoo giving them the impression they are not responsible for their own decisions". Because they might have been under 18 at some stage in the "grooming" there might be a point of law but IMO they are taking the piss. I haven't watched the Netflix documentary but I did listen to a podcast about this. The "victims" on that were a joke. Even if I 100% believed their story, as portrayed by them, they are having a laugh. One of them said that she was given loads of money for college and a job and one time JE tried it on with her (he tried to hold her hand OMG!). She told him to bugger off. Then after that, her sister was working for JE and he tried it on with HER!! She told him to bugger off, that was the end of it. The first sister said she felt bad, for not telling her sister what a beast JE was but she didn't get a chance because (after the hand holding terror) she was on a 1 year study abroad program in Thailand and didn't get the chance. Guess who paid for the year long holiday? She didn't seem to have a problem with that, but 20 years later "OMG I was horrifically groomed and abused. Can I have some more money now please?" That's the victims poster girl? Do me a favour.
A moronic and totally uninformed post. I suggest you delete it because it makes you look incredibly foolish.unrepentant said:
Stigproducts said:
I'd go with "teenage prostitutes try and shake down Epstein for money in light of #metoo giving them the impression they are not responsible for their own decisions". Because they might have been under 18 at some stage in the "grooming" there might be a point of law but IMO they are taking the piss. I haven't watched the Netflix documentary but I did listen to a podcast about this. The "victims" on that were a joke. Even if I 100% believed their story, as portrayed by them, they are having a laugh. One of them said that she was given loads of money for college and a job and one time JE tried it on with her (he tried to hold her hand OMG!). She told him to bugger off. Then after that, her sister was working for JE and he tried it on with HER!! She told him to bugger off, that was the end of it. The first sister said she felt bad, for not telling her sister what a beast JE was but she didn't get a chance because (after the hand holding terror) she was on a 1 year study abroad program in Thailand and didn't get the chance. Guess who paid for the year long holiday? She didn't seem to have a problem with that, but 20 years later "OMG I was horrifically groomed and abused. Can I have some more money now please?" That's the victims poster girl? Do me a favour.
A moronic and totally uninformed post. I suggest you delete it because it makes you look incredibly foolish.I would be surprised if there were no element of some of the girls being swayed to make bad decisions by the lifestyle, travel, glamour opportunities Epstein held out. And some others who knew the score, were happy to go along with it, and who might now see an opportunity to make some money. But some others, who were underage and vulnerable, and were complete victims.
Ayahuasca said:
Not moronic, just uninformed.
I would be surprised if there were no element of some of the girls being swayed to make bad decisions by the lifestyle, travel, glamour opportunities Epstein held out. And some others who knew the score, were happy to go along with it, and who might now see an opportunity to make some money. But some others, who were underage and vulnerable, and were complete victims.
In plain language, a (potential financial) stitch-up ?I would be surprised if there were no element of some of the girls being swayed to make bad decisions by the lifestyle, travel, glamour opportunities Epstein held out. And some others who knew the score, were happy to go along with it, and who might now see an opportunity to make some money. But some others, who were underage and vulnerable, and were complete victims.
Someones scratching at the veneer of this killer Netflix documentary posters on here have been so taken in by
https://spectator.us/ghislaine-maxwell-know-jeffre...
"But no one should believe anything they saw in that series, because it was based largely on the accounts of two women with histories of making dubious accusations."
TL:DR Virgina Guthrie is a money seeking liar
https://spectator.us/ghislaine-maxwell-know-jeffre...
"But no one should believe anything they saw in that series, because it was based largely on the accounts of two women with histories of making dubious accusations."
TL:DR Virgina Guthrie is a money seeking liar
Stigproducts said:
Someones scratching at the veneer of this killer Netflix documentary posters on here have been so taken in by
https://spectator.us/ghislaine-maxwell-know-jeffre...
"But no one should believe anything they saw in that series, because it was based largely on the accounts of two women with histories of making dubious accusations."
TL:DR Virgina Guthrie is a money seeking liar
Because Dershowitz is clearly going to say 'yeah I nonced all those kids and laughed it up with Ghislaine and old boy Jeff' isn't he?https://spectator.us/ghislaine-maxwell-know-jeffre...
"But no one should believe anything they saw in that series, because it was based largely on the accounts of two women with histories of making dubious accusations."
TL:DR Virgina Guthrie is a money seeking liar
Of course he's gonna deny it.
But why would he go to Lolita Island all those times eh?
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