CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[ucb]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

All out local private hospitals are providing hip and knee replacements. They only ever stopped for the initial lockdown. I suggest you contact your surgeon again. No one has ever died because they were waiting to have a knee replaced.
Mental health is never quick, easy or cheap to sort out and has been vastly underfunded for years.
Continuing ‘simple’ procedures at private sites is a lovely sound bite and more could have been performed probably. But the safety net of the NHS was lost, so when the complications occur follow these often routine procedures (and they always do) you’re being sent to a COVID hotspot. Not the greatest logic is it?

[anonymous-user]

ruggedscotty said:

scottyp123 said:

RSTurboPaul said:

BBC story on why childbearing age women, who are unlikely to suffer ill health from Covid, should get vaccinated

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56012529

BBC said:

Even something as simple as an over-the-counter painkiller carries a tiny risk of ulcers and internal bleeding. But the risk for most people is so small when used correctly, that it is outweighed by the benefits of treating relatively mild pain.

And the benefits of preventing an illness that we know can be life-threatening have been judged to be much greater than any theoretical risk of vaccination.

I take it they didn't post those tweets of that woman, maybe a nurse or something who was pregnant and got the jab, encouraging everyone else to do it and then a few days later announced that she had miscarried. It may be connected it may not be but there should be some balance in these media stories.

As you said, it may be connected it may not be connected....

This is about the cure being worse than the disease ? there is a potential way out of this mess with innoculations, and people are getting fixated with some of the issues being generated by the vaccine ? To the point that those individuals may be missing the bigger picture - the issues with the disease are horrendous. the vaccination program is being rolled out, if people were being seriously impacted by the vaccine it would be on the radar wouldnt it. we would be seeing the issues kicking off. But were seeing a lot of good coming from the vaccination program.

if it was....

1,000,000 dead by the virus

or

5,000 dead by the vaccine.....

what would you do ? what would you decide ?

Ages of those dying in each of your scenarios?

Death Data is needed for the ages/co-morbidities who have had the vaccine and the number of months/years they survive

[Tony427]

ucb said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

All out local private hospitals are providing hip and knee replacements. They only ever stopped for the initial lockdown. I suggest you contact your surgeon again. No one has ever died because they were waiting to have a knee replaced.
Mental health is never quick, easy or cheap to sort out and has been vastly underfunded for years.
Continuing ‘simple’ procedures at private sites is a lovely sound bite and more could have been performed probably. But the safety net of the NHS was lost, so when the complications occur follow these often routine procedures (and they always do) you’re being sent to a COVID hotspot. Not the greatest logic is it?

Can you please logically explain , if the NHS has been carrying out the services as you suggest, why the numbers waiting over a year for different surgical interventions have risen from 1,500 to 250,000.

[steveT350C]

Douglas Quaid said:

Brainpox said:

Who said I'm enjoying it? fk off yourself. The answer isn't to let everyone run wild and not give a st. Keeping the health service running is more of a priority don't you think? Think bigger picture.

What makes you think that anyone opposed to the way it’s being done now wants to let everyone run wild and not give a st? It’s not binary you know. For some reason the lockdown lovers always state that.

The brainwashing is particularly effective for the more submissive. Lockdown or die.

[johnboy1975]

The Spruce Goose said:

RSTurboPaul said:

The people that can't have the vaccine aren't going to disappear - whether they get it in one larger 'wave' or spread out through the year, they'll still be susceptible.

So if coming variants are going to be more dangerous, surely it's better to get it all out of the way now??

SAGE seem tro moving the message from slowing it down to total eradication. Lets be honest that is impossible with open borders so why do they say it. It is like saying to solve poverty everyone is a millionaire, realistically improbable.

A better analogy would be giving everyone £1,000,000 to solve relative poverty. Ie batst crazy

Open borders aren't really an issue (at current volumes). Although i can see why they would want to keep the SA variant out, I fear that ship has sailed. And they are hardly open anyway with PCR tests at each end plus mandatory isolation (albeit in your own home in the majority of cases)

[Otispunkmeyer]

RSTurboPaul said:

BBC video on how giving a CAD7500 cash lump sum to recently homeless people seems to give them better financial outcomes over a year:

https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p096hf4z/the-7-500-...

And would you look at that - it could be used to deal with the Covid situation...







(Half the video seems to be on UBI as a Covid response.)

Didn’t somewhere in Finland already try UBI? I don’t think it worked out too well.

[scottyp123]

ruggedscotty said:

scottyp123 said:

RSTurboPaul said:

BBC story on why childbearing age women, who are unlikely to suffer ill health from Covid, should get vaccinated

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56012529

BBC said:

Even something as simple as an over-the-counter painkiller carries a tiny risk of ulcers and internal bleeding. But the risk for most people is so small when used correctly, that it is outweighed by the benefits of treating relatively mild pain.

And the benefits of preventing an illness that we know can be life-threatening have been judged to be much greater than any theoretical risk of vaccination.

I take it they didn't post those tweets of that woman, maybe a nurse or something who was pregnant and got the jab, encouraging everyone else to do it and then a few days later announced that she had miscarried. It may be connected it may not be but there should be some balance in these media stories.

As you said, it may be connected it may not be connected....

This is about the cure being worse than the disease ? there is a potential way out of this mess with innoculations, and people are getting fixated with some of the issues being generated by the vaccine ? To the point that those individuals may be missing the bigger picture - the issues with the disease are horrendous. the vaccination program is being rolled out, if people were being seriously impacted by the vaccine it would be on the radar wouldnt it. we would be seeing the issues kicking off. But were seeing a lot of good coming from the vaccination program.

if it was....

1,000,000 dead by the virus

or

5,000 dead by the vaccine.....

what would you do ? what would you decide ?

I would offer the vaccine to the vulnerable only and maybe save another 5000.

[Douglas Quaid]

baptistsan said:

Douglas Quaid said:

Brainpox said:

I think people commenting about delayed diagnoses/poor healthcare need to realise if the restrictions weren't in place, the hospitals would be full and the same would apply. Probably even more so as emergency departments would be closing. At least for the most part, if you have been critically unwell, there has been capacity in the system to sort you out.

Locally, at the peak last month, 40% of the patients in the general hospitals had COVID, and most were in primarily because of COVID complications. Some hospitals were over 60%. Seasonal flu doesn't account for that many patients normally.

It might affect younger people less severely but there are some where it isn't the case. A 10 year old girl died of COVID nearby a few weeks ago. You can't gamble with people's lives because you're desperate to get down the pub.

I am happy that I've maintained a sense of normality through this in that I still go to work. But I spend half my day in close contact with COVID patients. I haven't caught it yet which leads me, at times, to wonder how the fk everyone else is.

Dominic Cummings' eye exam was a really stupid mistake. If it wasn't for that I'm sure compliance would have been much better.

Why is it that people that enjoy restrictions always say that the people that don’t just want life back to normal so they can go ‘to the pub’? I don’t give a st about the pub, I enjoy them but far far more important to me are the people I know that are suffering mentally through isolation.

I have friends I haven’t seen for nearly a year as they’re terrified, I have self employed family members that have lost their businesses and have no way of earning money, some of my family members are really suffering mentally in various ways. Why is it that you people who want everyone locked up forever think the pub is all anyone is interested in? fk off.

Edited by Douglas Quaid on Saturday 13th February 07:16

Well bloody said.

I want life back to normal for my 14 year old. She is suffering through no fault of her own. And I do not give a st if I'm a selfish tt. Her and millions like her are being damaged in ways we don't yet even realize. But no biggie right?

Likewise. Seeing my young daughter lying facedown on the floor crying her eyes out at the thought of another day sitting on her own at the kitchen table to do her schoolwork, without seeing her friends for yet another day has been the worst moment of this for me. The pub is far less important than my kids mental health. They need to mix with their friends and be at school not sit in every day on their own. I honestly couldn’t give a st about my own life and what I can and can’t do in comparison.

Edited by Douglas Quaid on Saturday 13th February 19:10

[MiseryStreak]

Did anyone else find the headline today utterly hilarious? After months (a year) of people saying ‘it’s just the flu’ and being told the opposite ‘it’s nothing like the flu’, the shiny faced chinless wonder of a health secretary comes out with that little gem!


Well done you absolute moron. You’ve angered all the people who’ve been saying it all along, and all the people who think it’s airborne Ebola and we need to be masked up and isolated for the rest of time.

Now, the entire purpose of rushing through the vaccine and getting millions vaccinated as quickly as possible is to be able to reopen the schools, the shops and the pubs, so fking get on with it you tt.

[EddieSteadyGo]

Brainpox said:

.... You can't gamble with people's lives because you're desperate to get down the pub.

You really shouldn't make such lazy statements. It shows your ignorance of the wider consequences of lockdown, including the pain and disruption it causes. It is *not* about going to the pub.

[smashing]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Brainpox said:

.... You can't gamble with people's lives because you're desperate to get down the pub.

You really shouldn't make such lazy statements. It shows your ignorance of the wider consequences of lockdown, including the pain and disruption it causes. It is *not* about going to the pub.

This...so much this. The amount of mental health awareness training/discussion etc. that is being pushed by my employer at the moment is immense and it is the same with the teams I deal with in other companies up and down the supply chain...it's bad out there and it has NOTHING to do with going to the fking pub.

[redrabbit]

EddieSteadyGo said:

Brainpox said:

.... You can't gamble with people's lives because you're desperate to get down the pub.

You really shouldn't make such lazy statements. It shows your ignorance of the wider consequences of lockdown, including the pain and disruption it causes. It is *not* about going to the pub.

Wow, did Brainpox really post that? And works in the NHS? Says it all about the Covid Kool Aid they must be drinking there.

[grumbledoak]

redrabbit said:

Wow, did Brainpox really post that? And works in the NHS? Says it all about the Covid Kool Aid they must be drinking there.

It just "says it all" about the NHS, really.

[Indoraptor]

Hancock obviously wasn’t listening to the experts from P.H.E.et.al. They seem to think it will take at least 10 years to get to a ‘manageable’ level.

[CrutyRammers]

ucb said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

All out local private hospitals are providing hip and knee replacements. They only ever stopped for the initial lockdown. I suggest you contact your surgeon again. No one has ever died because they were waiting to have a knee replaced.
Mental health is never quick, easy or cheap to sort out and has been vastly underfunded for years.
Continuing ‘simple’ procedures at private sites is a lovely sound bite and more could have been performed probably. But the safety net of the NHS was lost, so when the complications occur follow these often routine procedures (and they always do) you’re being sent to a COVID hotspot. Not the greatest logic is it?

The thing you've got to understand, tonker, is that nothing can be done. Aside from locking everyone away, of course. Now shut up and clap.

[bodhi]

Indoraptor said:

Hancock obviously wasn’t listening to the experts from P.H.E.et.al. They seem to think it will take at least 10 years to get to a ‘manageable’ level.

Probably because the 10 years comment was around teh requirements for genomic sequencing, nothing to do with the restrictions whatsoever. If we're expecting to live with this like flux then that doesn't sound unreasonable at all, considering the tests are likely to be carried out as part of a medical intervention.

However considering one of our foremost "experts" in Public Health (Devi) is currently on Twitter suggesting we treat COVID like measles perhaps one of the best things Hancock can do is ignore Public Health entirely.

[Taylor James]

I see Sky reporting Boris now "optimistic" about setting out the road map on 22 Feb.

[bmwmike]

grumbledoak said:

redrabbit said:

Wow, did Brainpox really post that? And works in the NHS? Says it all about the Covid Kool Aid they must be drinking there.

It just "says it all" about the NHS, really.

...because one person said something someone else on the internet took offense at?

[55north1west]

Taylor James said:

I see Sky reporting Boris now "optimistic" about setting out the road map on 22 Feb.

I think it’s just some more light at the end of the tunnel propaganda from Boris, I’m fully prepared to be disappointed

[Quisling]

Taylor James said:

I see Sky reporting Boris now "optimistic" about setting out the road map on 22 Feb.

Just 3 more weeks to flatten the curve