Somali pirates could kill yacht couple within days.
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Off topic, but only slightly - what are the rules on carrying firearms onboard boats?
Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
Still not got a reply back from the government. I sent them a letter detailing my ramboesque rescue plan.
I requested use of the fastest speedboat the own, 2KG of the finest cocaine they've seized and as many firearms as they can fit on said speedboat (Without taking up valuable cocaine room).
I requested use of the fastest speedboat the own, 2KG of the finest cocaine they've seized and as many firearms as they can fit on said speedboat (Without taking up valuable cocaine room).
Edited by Frankeh on Monday 1st March 13:37
youngsyr said:
Off topic, but only slightly - what are the rules on carrying firearms onboard boats?
Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
allowed to carry, but have to have them listed with ships paers and to declare them in each country that you visit. Assuming you have international gun licences suitable for the weapons that you carry you "may" be allowed retain them when in country but probably not, when you clear out of country they will (if retained) be returned to you. Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
having said that, most cruising yachts that i have met in South East Asia have a rather interesting arsenal of "descrete" weapons ranging from scuba spear guns to shot guns and more stashed away. The difference is the ability to actually use them (and bring them on deck) when you truly need them.
XJSJohn said:
youngsyr said:
Off topic, but only slightly - what are the rules on carrying firearms onboard boats?
Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
allowed to carry, but have to have them listed with ships paers and to declare them in each country that you visit. Assuming you have international gun licences suitable for the weapons that you carry you "may" be allowed retain them when in country but probably not, when you clear out of country they will (if retained) be returned to you. Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
having said that, most cruising yachts that i have met in South East Asia have a rather interesting arsenal of "descrete" weapons ranging from scuba spear guns to shot guns and more stashed away. The difference is the ability to actually use them (and bring them on deck) when you truly need them.
As for having access to them and being able to use them, I was thinking about mounting something like this on the poop deck, I would imagine it's pretty much like aiming a hosepipe:
youngsyr said:
XJSJohn said:
youngsyr said:
Off topic, but only slightly - what are the rules on carrying firearms onboard boats?
Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
allowed to carry, but have to have them listed with ships paers and to declare them in each country that you visit. Assuming you have international gun licences suitable for the weapons that you carry you "may" be allowed retain them when in country but probably not, when you clear out of country they will (if retained) be returned to you. Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
having said that, most cruising yachts that i have met in South East Asia have a rather interesting arsenal of "descrete" weapons ranging from scuba spear guns to shot guns and more stashed away. The difference is the ability to actually use them (and bring them on deck) when you truly need them.
standard hunting rifles and shot guns (i.e. normal "hobby" sports guns with appropriate paperwork will be OK, poop deck mounted sub machine guns are going a tad beyond the usual mainstream sports shooter
(plus they would rust in the damp salt water environment ..... )youngsyr said:
Off topic, but only slightly - what are the rules on carrying firearms onboard boats?
Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
A lot of people think it would be good to blow the pirates out of the water. However, unless I were part of a well trained/armed military unit I wouldn't try it. This isn't Macgyver or the A Team you know, people die. The issue is that these kind of people have completely different morals and values, they will shoot you without so much as a thought, life has little or no value to them. They are not badly armed and they seem to be good at pretending to be fishermen when not in action. Unless you aim to shoot/sink every small craft you spot in the area before even approaching them then I expect you'll find them putting up a fight and getting a few scores in.Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
I do wish we'd send in the military though.
Targarama said:
youngsyr said:
Off topic, but only slightly - what are the rules on carrying firearms onboard boats?
Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
A lot of people think it would be good to blow the pirates out of the water. However, unless I were part of a well trained/armed military unit I wouldn't try it. This isn't Macgyver or the A Team you know, people die. The issue is that these kind of people have completely different morals and values, they will shoot you without so much as a thought, life has little or no value to them. They are not badly armed and they seem to be good at pretending to be fishermen when not in action. Unless you aim to shoot/sink every small craft you spot in the area before even approaching them then I expect you'll find them putting up a fight and getting a few scores in.Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
I do wish we'd send in the military though.
youngsyr said:
Targarama said:
youngsyr said:
Off topic, but only slightly - what are the rules on carrying firearms onboard boats?
Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
A lot of people think it would be good to blow the pirates out of the water. However, unless I were part of a well trained/armed military unit I wouldn't try it. This isn't Macgyver or the A Team you know, people die. The issue is that these kind of people have completely different morals and values, they will shoot you without so much as a thought, life has little or no value to them. They are not badly armed and they seem to be good at pretending to be fishermen when not in action. Unless you aim to shoot/sink every small craft you spot in the area before even approaching them then I expect you'll find them putting up a fight and getting a few scores in.Do you have to abide by the domestic/maritime rules of the country whose flag you are carrying, or the rules of the country whose waters you are in?
If there are rules, can you simply flout them in international waters safe in the knowledge that no-one will police them (a la Sea Shepherd in the Antartic)?
Or can you simply mount all manor of weaponry on your pleasure boat and taunt pirates into an attempted hi-jack before nuking them from orbit (it's the only way to be sure)?
I do wish we'd send in the military though.
they dont follow the standard rules of engagement.
Latest new is
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/kent/85...
I wonder if they took his ipod away
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8664011.st...
Russian forces have freed the crew of a Russian oil tanker seized by Somali pirates off the coast of Yemen, in a dramatic rescue operation.
Forces on the Russian warship Marshal Shaposhnikov approached the tanker with 23 Russian crew on board by helicopter.
As they did so, the pirates opened fire, sparking a shoot-out.
The Russian forces then abseiled onto the Moscow University tanker, freeing the crew who had locked themselves in a safe room after disabling their ship.
Ten pirates have been arrested, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow. They are currently being held aboard the tanker, Russian defence ministry spokesman Col Alexei Kuznetsov said.
They will be transferred to Moscow to face charges, reports say.
There have been unconfirmed reports that one pirate was killed during the siege.
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"Pirates have released the tanker... All crew on board the tanker are alive and well," a spokeswoman for the Russian shipping company that owns the tanker, Novoship, told Reuters news agency.
"During more than 20 hours of siege, pirates were not able to take a single member of crew hostage."
Novoship praised the operation as one carried out "in the best traditions of the Russian naval mariners".
The decision to free the ship was made knowing "that the crew was under safe cover inaccessible to the pirates and that the lives and health of the sailors was not threatened by anything", Novoship added.
Although there are dozens of warships patrolling the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Aden, it is rare for rescue efforts to be launched once pirates have boarded a vessel as it is often felt that intervening would endanger the hostages, says the BBC's Will Ross in Nairobi.
But in this case, the crew switched off the engine and locked themselves in a strong room with a reinforced door.
This tactic of retreating to a strong room has thwarted two previous hijacking attempts on other vessels, our correspondent adds.
Busy route
The Moscow University was seized on Wednesday in the Gulf of Aden, off the coast of Yemen, as it sailed for China, carrying more than 80,000 tonnes of crude oil worth some $50m (£33m).
The Gulf of Aden is one of the world busiest shipping routes, and the Russians, Europeans and Americans have all deployed navy forces in the region after a growing number of attacks by pirates on commercial vessels, our correspondent adds.
Even so, pirates are reported to be holding more than 20 foreign ships with almost 400 sailors.
The Marshal Shaposhnikov was sent on Wednesday to rescue the hijacked tanker.
Russian forces have freed the crew of a Russian oil tanker seized by Somali pirates off the coast of Yemen, in a dramatic rescue operation.
Forces on the Russian warship Marshal Shaposhnikov approached the tanker with 23 Russian crew on board by helicopter.
As they did so, the pirates opened fire, sparking a shoot-out.
The Russian forces then abseiled onto the Moscow University tanker, freeing the crew who had locked themselves in a safe room after disabling their ship.
Ten pirates have been arrested, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow. They are currently being held aboard the tanker, Russian defence ministry spokesman Col Alexei Kuznetsov said.
They will be transferred to Moscow to face charges, reports say.
There have been unconfirmed reports that one pirate was killed during the siege.
BBC map
"Pirates have released the tanker... All crew on board the tanker are alive and well," a spokeswoman for the Russian shipping company that owns the tanker, Novoship, told Reuters news agency.
"During more than 20 hours of siege, pirates were not able to take a single member of crew hostage."
Novoship praised the operation as one carried out "in the best traditions of the Russian naval mariners".
The decision to free the ship was made knowing "that the crew was under safe cover inaccessible to the pirates and that the lives and health of the sailors was not threatened by anything", Novoship added.
Although there are dozens of warships patrolling the Indian Ocean and the Gulf of Aden, it is rare for rescue efforts to be launched once pirates have boarded a vessel as it is often felt that intervening would endanger the hostages, says the BBC's Will Ross in Nairobi.
But in this case, the crew switched off the engine and locked themselves in a strong room with a reinforced door.
This tactic of retreating to a strong room has thwarted two previous hijacking attempts on other vessels, our correspondent adds.
Busy route
The Moscow University was seized on Wednesday in the Gulf of Aden, off the coast of Yemen, as it sailed for China, carrying more than 80,000 tonnes of crude oil worth some $50m (£33m).
The Gulf of Aden is one of the world busiest shipping routes, and the Russians, Europeans and Americans have all deployed navy forces in the region after a growing number of attacks by pirates on commercial vessels, our correspondent adds.
Even so, pirates are reported to be holding more than 20 foreign ships with almost 400 sailors.
The Marshal Shaposhnikov was sent on Wednesday to rescue the hijacked tanker.
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