Will China be brought to account?

[anonymous-user]

james-witton said:

The company I work for is in Fertilisers and China are such a dominant customer they can in effect dictate pricing.
They have used the current economic crisis to say that they will now start paying 25% less for their supply. Well knowing that we and other suppliers will have to take the hit.
Not much humility there then.

I don't get it. If they have that level of purchasing power why didn't they use it before? Have your commodity input costs gone down?

[isaldiri]

El stovey said:

Carl_Manchester said:

The telegraph have run a story stating that an analysis of internet traffic and satellite photography indicates that the breakout in wuhan may have started in October:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/08/satell...

Apparently US intelligence services were warning Trump about it in early December, but perhaps just a ‘heads up’ in a daily briefing or something. It will be interesting to hear what warnings the west actually got from their own intelligence services.

Presumably information from China itself would always be presumed to be a bit inaccurate.

From somewhere in the study

""We obtained data on influenza-like illness from two sentinel hospitals in Wuhan: the Children’s Hospital of Wuhan and Wuhan No. 1 Hospital, from Kong et al. """

well... given covid19 hardly has been affecting children, whatever that outbreak driving more traffic/etc. chances are it wasn't what we are having now....

[Jinx]

isaldiri said:

From somewhere in the study

""We obtained data on influenza-like illness from two sentinel hospitals in Wuhan: the Children’s Hospital of Wuhan and Wuhan No. 1 Hospital, from Kong et al. """

well... given covid19 hardly has been affecting children, whatever that outbreak driving more traffic/etc. chances are it wasn't what we are having now....

Non-sequitur - Children do not suffer the harsher effects of Covid-19 there is no evidence they do not catch it https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03....

TLDR link said:

We further show that children are at similar risk of infection as the general population, though less likely to have severe symptoms; hence should be considered in analyses of transmission and control.

[isaldiri]

Jinx said:

isaldiri said:

From somewhere in the study

""We obtained data on influenza-like illness from two sentinel hospitals in Wuhan: the Children’s Hospital of Wuhan and Wuhan No. 1 Hospital, from Kong et al. """

well... given covid19 hardly has been affecting children, whatever that outbreak driving more traffic/etc. chances are it wasn't what we are having now....

Non-sequitur - Children do not suffer the harsher effects of Covid-19 there is no evidence they do not catch it https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03....

TLDR link said:

We further show that children are at similar risk of infection as the general population, though less likely to have severe symptoms; hence should be considered in analyses of transmission and control.

with less severe symptoms children wouldn't be flooding into hospitals either then would they per the earlier suggestion....?

[jamoor]

I'm now thinking should various European Countries and the USA be brought to account?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734

The virus was well handled in China, Taiwan, Korea, The European countries didn't handle it like they should, causing the disease to spread.

[Digga]

jamoor said:

I'm now thinking should various European Countries and the USA be brought to account?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734

The virus was well handled in China, Taiwan, Korea, The European countries didn't handle it like they should, causing the disease to spread.

Certain sorts of pandemic were excepted/the norm in other bits of the Far East.

To be fair, when it hit Italy, it perhaps could it have hit any of us in Europe the same?

[anonymous-user]

Very surprised to see the EU getting fed up with Chinese propaganda too...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/10/eu-s...

[A Winner Is You]

jamoor said:

I'm now thinking should various European Countries and the USA be brought to account?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734

The virus was well handled in China, Taiwan, Korea, The European countries didn't handle it like they should, causing the disease to spread.

How did China handle it well? By locking up people who tried to warn the rest of the world?

[jamoor]

A Winner Is You said:

How did China handle it well? By locking up people who tried to warn the rest of the world?

Look at the infection and death rates of china - under 100k infections and under 5k deaths...

[A Winner Is You]

jamoor said:

A Winner Is You said:

How did China handle it well? By locking up people who tried to warn the rest of the world?

Look at the infection and death rates of china - under 100k infections and under 5k deaths...

If you believe their official figures, I have a bridge to sell you.

[anxious_ant]

jamoor said:

I'm now thinking should various European Countries and the USA be brought to account?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52993734

The virus was well handled in China, Taiwan, Korea, The European countries didn't handle it like they should, causing the disease to spread.

Well said. I feel that there is a certain xenophobia here of posters only focussing on pinning this on China regardless.

[PRTVR]

jamoor said:

A Winner Is You said:

How did China handle it well? By locking up people who tried to warn the rest of the world?

Look at the infection and death rates of china - under 100k infections and under 5k deaths...

and you believe them?
Two agreements made during Obama's presidency were the the none militarization of the islands in the china sea and to stop spying on American companies, both agreements broken within 6 months, all out rightly denied even when presented with evidence.
Lying is what they do.
And if they did so well why did they allow it to escape from their borders?

[jamoor]

PRTVR said:

jamoor said:

A Winner Is You said:

How did China handle it well? By locking up people who tried to warn the rest of the world?

Look at the infection and death rates of china - under 100k infections and under 5k deaths...

and you believe them?
Two agreements made during Obama's presidency were the the none militarization of the islands in the china sea and to stop spying on American companies, both agreements broken within 6 months, all out rightly denied even when presented with evidence.
Lying is what they do.
And if they did so well why did they allow it to escape from their borders?

I would agree with you, right up until you look at the infection rates of
Japan - 17k
taiwan - 400
vietnam - 300
South Korea which they said had a major outbreak once upon a time -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51603251
their infections rate is 12k.

So yeah, for a well prepared government that knows exactly what to do their numbers seem very realistic.

[Alucidnation]

jamoor said:

PRTVR said:

jamoor said:

A Winner Is You said:

How did China handle it well? By locking up people who tried to warn the rest of the world?

Look at the infection and death rates of china - under 100k infections and under 5k deaths...

and you believe them?
Two agreements made during Obama's presidency were the the none militarization of the islands in the china sea and to stop spying on American companies, both agreements broken within 6 months, all out rightly denied even when presented with evidence.
Lying is what they do.
And if they did so well why did they allow it to escape from their borders?

I would agree with you, right up until you look at the infection rates of
Japan - 17k
taiwan - 400
vietnam - 300
South Korea which they said had a major outbreak once upon a time -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51603251
their infections rate is 12k.

So yeah, for a well prepared government that knows exactly what to do their numbers seem very realistic.

Have you bought that bridge yet?

It’s a good offer!

[jamoor]

Alucidnation said:

jamoor said:

PRTVR said:

jamoor said:

A Winner Is You said:

How did China handle it well? By locking up people who tried to warn the rest of the world?

Look at the infection and death rates of china - under 100k infections and under 5k deaths...

and you believe them?
Two agreements made during Obama's presidency were the the none militarization of the islands in the china sea and to stop spying on American companies, both agreements broken within 6 months, all out rightly denied even when presented with evidence.
Lying is what they do.
And if they did so well why did they allow it to escape from their borders?

I would agree with you, right up until you look at the infection rates of
Japan - 17k
taiwan - 400
vietnam - 300
South Korea which they said had a major outbreak once upon a time -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51603251
their infections rate is 12k.

So yeah, for a well prepared government that knows exactly what to do their numbers seem very realistic.

Have you bought that bridge yet?

It’s a good offer!

Again, their numbers in the wider context seem to make sense I may be wrong.

What we do know that lots of Europe and the USA allowed it to spiral totally out of control causing plenty of economic damage,

[barryrs]

Chaining citizens in their own homes probably helped.

[jamoor]

barryrs said:

Chaining citizens in their own homes probably helped.

Didn’t people here get fined? Which types of chains did Taiwan use out of interest?

[barryrs]

jamoor said:

Didn’t people here get fined? Which types of chains did Taiwan use out of interest?

First hand experience of SARS and a relatively small population?

[jamoor]

barryrs said:

jamoor said:

Didn’t people here get fined? Which types of chains did Taiwan use out of interest?

First hand experience of SARS and a relatively small population?

Korea? Japan? Vietnam?
Bigger populations than the U.K.

I think they had the experience to defeat this problem and we refused to do anything until it was too late.

[barryrs]

jamoor said:

barryrs said:

jamoor said:

Didn’t people here get fined? Which types of chains did Taiwan use out of interest?

First hand experience of SARS and a relatively small population?

Korea? Japan? Vietnam?
Bigger populations than the U.K.

I think they had the experience to defeat this problem and we refused to do anything until it was too late.

Christ, I have to respond to every country of your choosing now!

I would say you are trying to compare apples with oranges but I don’t think they are far enough apart. Perhaps apples and a Big Mac?