UKIP - The Future - Volume 3
Discussion
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
JBF50 said:
Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Zod said:
Guam said:
Zod said:
Oh, I'll bow to your greater experience of corporate transactions.
You cant resist can you, always a sideways swipe when we disagree, my view differs from yours based on my experiences is all, rather like Park lane. Wombat3 said:
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
JBF50 said:
Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
PRTVR said:
Wombat3 said:
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
JBF50 said:
Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
The whole thing is a moveable landscape anyway. Events change views.
Mr_B said:
Zod said:
Guam said:
Zod said:
Oh, I'll bow to your greater experience of corporate transactions.
You cant resist can you, always a sideways swipe when we disagree, my view differs from yours based on my experiences is all, rather like Park lane. Guam said:
Mr_B said:
Its just a shame in this case you seem unwilling to say what form the deal might take and what would be meaningful and meaningless.
Indeed no one seems to want to set the "limits" in this so called "renegotiation" seems to consist of lets fly over to Brussels have a few lunches and a few bottles of plonk and see what we can work out Wombat3 said:
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
JBF50 said:
Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
They've done a good job of pretending to be EU sceptic for people like you to repeatedly fall for.
Guam said:
Wombat3 said:
DO make your mind up
"Pointless" ergo no point in doing it?
Most people tend to want to avoid doing things when they think its pointless - or does that not apply to you in this case?
As I am not the one charged with doing it its something of a none argument isn't it, seriously is that all you have?"Pointless" ergo no point in doing it?
Most people tend to want to avoid doing things when they think its pointless - or does that not apply to you in this case?
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
JBF50 said:
Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
They've done a good job of pretending to be EU sceptic for people like you to repeatedly fall for.
So the ex Tories who are now UKIP-ers are "a handful of moaners" ?
Wombat3 said:
Guam said:
Wombat3 said:
DO make your mind up
"Pointless" ergo no point in doing it?
Most people tend to want to avoid doing things when they think its pointless - or does that not apply to you in this case?
As I am not the one charged with doing it its something of a none argument isn't it, seriously is that all you have?"Pointless" ergo no point in doing it?
Most people tend to want to avoid doing things when they think its pointless - or does that not apply to you in this case?
Wombat3 said:
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
Esseesse said:
Wombat3 said:
JBF50 said:
Wombat3 said:
No we just need a referendum.
Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
Exactly, lets have a referendum and put this ridiculous UKIP mob to sleep for good, they are just The National Front in disguise. Yours is a statement along the lines of "Democracy is OK as long as I win"
If UKIP is not able to persuade the general population of the merits of leaving then I guess we won't be doing that. That's democracy. If you don't agree with the result, that's your problem.
They've done a good job of pretending to be EU sceptic for people like you to repeatedly fall for.
So the ex Tories who are now UKIP-ers are "a handful of moaners" ?
Zod said:
Mr_B said:
Zod said:
Guam said:
Zod said:
Oh, I'll bow to your greater experience of corporate transactions.
You cant resist can you, always a sideways swipe when we disagree, my view differs from yours based on my experiences is all, rather like Park lane. Saying 'change' is utterly meaningless and as vague as possible. It could mean the most minor and obscure rule change resulting in absolutely nothing. So what's your idea of change ?
If UKIP's campaign is having such an effect on the opinions of the silent, moderate, reasonable, rational, UK public about positively staying in the EU then let them carry on.
However, there is certainly no room for complacency and this week has perfectly illustrated the very essence of NF and his party. Deals with extremists to waste more taxpayers money. It was UKIP that allowed such groups to be funded in the EP in the first place. How can NF continue to present himself and his party as outsiders?
If NF had any ethics, scruples or consistency of argument, then his party would take up a position of abstention from EP and its debates. It seems that the lure of filthy lucre leads to lapses in loyalty to his consistency of cause and argument. Is NF 's politics only about pique, personal profile, power, pomposity, PR and pubs?
What are the polls on voting intentions in the Rochester and Strood by-election predicting? Another station stopover for the UKIP bandwagon, or will Cameron's Tories trip up NF and put the KIPPERS to sleep for five minutes at least and sieze the reins? Will Labour spring a major surprise?
The outcome will likely have a significant impact on the course of right wing politics for the next seven months.
However, there is certainly no room for complacency and this week has perfectly illustrated the very essence of NF and his party. Deals with extremists to waste more taxpayers money. It was UKIP that allowed such groups to be funded in the EP in the first place. How can NF continue to present himself and his party as outsiders?
If NF had any ethics, scruples or consistency of argument, then his party would take up a position of abstention from EP and its debates. It seems that the lure of filthy lucre leads to lapses in loyalty to his consistency of cause and argument. Is NF 's politics only about pique, personal profile, power, pomposity, PR and pubs?
What are the polls on voting intentions in the Rochester and Strood by-election predicting? Another station stopover for the UKIP bandwagon, or will Cameron's Tories trip up NF and put the KIPPERS to sleep for five minutes at least and sieze the reins? Will Labour spring a major surprise?
The outcome will likely have a significant impact on the course of right wing politics for the next seven months.
Wombat3 said:
Free movement is the central issue, that is obvious and has been stated. Of course the EU will start by saying "non" but then until they see Cameron has a mandate after May that gives him the ability to deliver a referendum, what else would you expect?
It maybe the central issue for you but once people start understanding:a) The difference between EU and non EU immigration.
b) The negative effect on UK citizens who would now have little access to the EU job market.
I wonder if this might not change.
One of the reasons I believe UKIP membership is well above the national average is that most have never considered working out side the UK. An survey shows the younger you are more interest you will be in working outside the UK.
To me it would be mad to go back to a situation where I would not be able to apply for a job in Paris or Frankfurt as easily as in London.
Paid trolls?
I'm not sure whether to , or just
steveT350C said:
just imagine...... http://order-order.com/2014/02/27/eu-spends-2-mill...
and as if by magic!JBF50 said:
Ukip's polarising effect: support for staying in the EU hits 23-year high
A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
It just gets better and better reading these pages....A new poll by Ipsos MORI finds that 56% of Britons would vote to stay in the EU - the highest level of support since 1991.
Hopefully we have an EU referendum and it turns to a referendum on UKIP too where the anti-UKIP vote turns out and finishes off this rag-tag racist Party once and for all, they offer nothing constructive to UK politics, they and the Eurosceptic Tories will certainly lose the referendum, I for one cannot wait.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/...
I'm not sure whether to , or just
Mrr T said:
Wombat3 said:
Free movement is the central issue, that is obvious and has been stated. Of course the EU will start by saying "non" but then until they see Cameron has a mandate after May that gives him the ability to deliver a referendum, what else would you expect?
It maybe the central issue for you but once people start understanding:a) The difference between EU and non EU immigration.
b) The negative effect on UK citizens who would now have little access to the EU job market.
I wonder if this might not change.
One of the reasons I believe UKIP membership is well above the national average is that most have never considered working out side the UK. An survey shows the younger you are more interest you will be in working outside the UK.
To me it would be mad to go back to a situation where I would not be able to apply for a job in Paris or Frankfurt as easily as in London.
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