Welsh lockdown

[robuk]

Landcrab_Six said:

This is true. I used to work in Merthyr. Manager of a frozen food store.

Fat knackers everywhere. Wheezing around the store, leaving on the trolley, with a stick hanging from it.

I had an amazing and quite bizarre collection of dole poles in my office. No idea how you leave one behind if you actually need it.

What did you do to improve your community?

[anonymous-user]

robuk said:

What did you do to improve your community?

I must have missed the memo where supermarket managers were responsible for improving the local community.

I just slogged my guts out doing a job I didn't particularly like on a st wage so I could keep a roof over my head.

[Gooose]

robuk said:

Landcrab_Six said:

This is true. I used to work in Merthyr. Manager of a frozen food store.

Fat knackers everywhere. Wheezing around the store, leaving on the trolley, with a stick hanging from it.

I had an amazing and quite bizarre collection of dole poles in my office. No idea how you leave one behind if you actually need it.

What did you do to improve your community?

Probably took responsibility for his health and ate a healthy diet, maybe isn’t fat, maybe does a little exercise and isn’t a burden on the nhs through selfish eating habits and laziness.

P.s he could also be a fat knacker

[phil_cardiff]

anonymous said:

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It's all their fault isn't it?

[anonymoususer]

Landcrab_Six said:

robuk said:

What did you do to improve your community?

I must have missed the memo where supermarket managers were responsible for improving the local community.

I just slogged my guts out doing a job I didn't particularly like on a st wage so I could keep a roof over my head.

You could have done so much more
Organised healthy eating guides
Arranged for alarms to trigger when someone opened the Frozen chips freezer. A simple do you really need to buy these chips they contaiin x amount of calories
Likewise at the tills you could have developed/ designed your own programme connected to a barcode scanner that added up all the calories in a customers shopping and announced them via tannoy
If you had worked with Microsoft teams software the possibilities would be endless and you could have made a real difference
But you didn't

[anonymous-user]

anonymoususer said:

You could have done so much more
Organised healthy eating guides
Arranged for alarms to trigger when someone opened the Frozen chips freezer. A simple do you really need to buy these chips they contaiin x amount of calories
Likewise at the tills you could have developed/ designed your own programme connected to a barcode scanner that added up all the calories in a customers shopping and announced them via tannoy
If you had worked with Microsoft teams software the possibilities would be endless and you could have made a real difference
But you didn't

[Kent Border Kenny]

Trophy Husband said:

Of course it does!
There's a correlation between infection rates and the lower class, the disenfranchised, who feel that nobody gives a cr4p about them. They're just carrying on as normal. I can understand the mindset. Nothing to live for anyway. It is the same in the poor towns in the south.
Poverty is creating this problem not the disease.

That’s one take on it

Another is that the same personality traits that lead to poverty also lead to behaviors that lead to obesity, a sedentary lifestyle and a lack of willingness to foregoing pleasure now for gain later.

It seems at least plausible.

[phil_cardiff]

Kent Border Kenny said:

Trophy Husband said:

Of course it does!
There's a correlation between infection rates and the lower class, the disenfranchised, who feel that nobody gives a cr4p about them. They're just carrying on as normal. I can understand the mindset. Nothing to live for anyway. It is the same in the poor towns in the south.
Poverty is creating this problem not the disease.

That’s one take on it

Another is that the same personality traits that lead to poverty also lead to behaviors that lead to obesity, a sedentary lifestyle and a lack of willingness to foregoing pleasure now for gain later.

It seems at least plausible.

Personality traits lead to poverty? Wow. Entire groups of people, all sharing a common characteristic that makes them poor.

fk me.

[MG CHRIS]

phil_cardiff said:

anonymous said:

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It's all their fault isn't it?

So who else is responsible for the food someone eats and lack of exercise to become that fat. And don't give me the well they can't afford to eat good food while having 5-6 takeaways a week.

My mate is 28 stone and 28 years old he's always been big even in school but even he surprised me when he said he was 28 stone. He woke up one day and thought I need to lose this weight so he cut out all his alcohol fizzy drinks and crap food started going out for walks and guess what within one week he has lost a stone already.

Nobody can blame being poor for being over weight that's an excuse not a reason.

[anonymous-user]

MG CHRIS said:

So who else is responsible for the food someone eats and lack of exercise to become that fat. And don't give me the well they can't afford to eat good food while having 5-6 takeaways a week.

My mate is 28 stone and 28 years old he's always been big even in school but even he surprised me when he said he was 28 stone. He woke up one day and thought I need to lose this weight so he cut out all his alcohol fizzy drinks and crap food started going out for walks and guess what within one week he has lost a stone already.

Nobody can blame being poor for being over weight that's an excuse not a reason.

I challenged a doctor on this one on Twitter.

He said it wasn't the fault of the fat knacker they were a fat knacker and that we should all stay at home to protect the NHS so they could treat all the fat knackers getting Covid symptoms.

He said they can't afford to eat healthy food.

One of my regular and favourite meals is chickpea and lentil curry. Tin of chickpeas at about 30p, same again for chopped tomatoes, onion, garlic, curry powder / spices, handful of lentils and a cup of rice.

That's not much more than £1 of ingredients to make a healthy, filling and tasty meal for 4.

Or less than the price of the cheapest frozen pizza.

It's laziness - much easier to buy ready meals, pizzas, chicken nuggets and chips. And a 24 pack bag of corn snacks and a box of broken biscuits and 'just chuck in a multi pack of Mars'.

I will concede that we need to do more in schools - many pupils don't need a stack of GCSEs or A-levels, but would benefit from home economics and financial planning lessons.

[robuk]

Landcrab_Six said:

I must have missed the memo where supermarket managers were responsible for improving the local community.

I just slogged my guts out doing a job I didn't particularly like on a st wage so I could keep a roof over my head.

You slag off people in Wales, you call someone who works at the welsh ambos a liar, say you could run ICU's better etc etc etc

Figured such a proactive genius would have done something positive if you saw issues on your own doorstep when you had the chance.

[Byker28i]

phil_cardiff said:

Personality traits lead to poverty? Wow. Entire groups of people, all sharing a common characteristic that makes them poor.

fk me.

I don't know about now, or about Wales, but about 15 years ago my wife worked as part of a multi agency team to improve the rates of young single mums (in an area that was the 2nd worse in the UK). Girls were getting pregnant at 15-16, because they got benefits, housing etc.

It was actually all about breaking the cycle, because it's what their mum had done, it's what they knew...
There was surprisingly many who would split with one partner, meet another, have a baby with them, quite common to find 3-4 children in the family all with different fathers.

Mind you, most seemed to have more money to spend than us who were working

[anonymous-user]

robuk said:

You slag off people in Wales, you call someone who works at the welsh ambos a liar, say you could run ICU's better etc etc etc

Figured such a proactive genius would have done something positive if you saw issues on your own doorstep when you had the chance.

I did do something positive - maximised store sales and profits to employ as many local people as possible.

[Kent Border Kenny]

phil_cardiff said:

Personality traits lead to poverty? Wow. Entire groups of people, all sharing a common characteristic that makes them poor.

fk me.

Well yes, there are certain behaviors that do tend to have a major effect on life outcomes. The ability to delay gratification is one of these.

This determination by some like you to insist that everyone is just a victim if their circumstances is neither correct nor helpful.

Oh, and you are misrepresenting what I wrote, the suggestion is probabilistic for an individual, not deterministic.

[phil_cardiff]

Kent Border Kenny said:

phil_cardiff said:

Personality traits lead to poverty? Wow. Entire groups of people, all sharing a common characteristic that makes them poor.

fk me.

Well yes, there are certain behaviors that do tend to have a major effect on life outcomes. The ability to delay gratification is one of these.

This determination by some like you to insist that everyone is just a victim if their circumstances is neither correct nor helpful.

Oh, and you are misrepresenting what I wrote, the suggestion is probabilistic for an individual, not deterministic.

Personality traits are different to behaviours.

And you'll find that I haven't said that everyone who is poor is a victim. But it's extremely short sighted to ignore education, culture, expectation, opportunities and hope when considering why a person is poor, or overweight, or not 'doing as well' as they might.

[Kent Border Kenny]

phil_cardiff said:

Personality traits are different to behaviours.

I know, but it’s differences in personality traits and types that drives differences in behavior.

If you accept that there are personal factors and decisions that make a difference then why the objection to my original point?

[phil_cardiff]

Kent Border Kenny said:

phil_cardiff said:

Personality traits are different to behaviours.

I know, but it’s differences in personality traits and types that drives differences in behavior.

If you accept that there are personal factors and decisions that make a difference then why the objection to my original point?

I objected to your inference that other factors weren't valid.

[Kent Border Kenny]

phil_cardiff said:

I objected to your inference that other factors weren't valid.

It’s a bit of a stretch to imply that from my post. I’m referring to population statistics, not a causal link in individuals.

[phil_cardiff]

Kent Border Kenny said:

phil_cardiff said:

I objected to your inference that other factors weren't valid.

It’s a bit of a stretch to imply that from my post. I’m referring to population statistics, not a causal link in individuals.

Please elaborate on what is meant by "the same personality traits that lead to poverty also lead to behaviors that lead to obesity".

I personally don't think that personality traits are the sole driver of poverty but agree they can be a minor factor.

[BoRED S2upid]

Landcrab_Six said:

I challenged a doctor on this one on Twitter.

He said it wasn't the fault of the fat knacker they were a fat knacker and that we should all stay at home to protect the NHS so they could treat all the fat knackers getting Covid symptoms.

He said they can't afford to eat healthy food.

One of my regular and favourite meals is chickpea and lentil curry. Tin of chickpeas at about 30p, same again for chopped tomatoes, onion, garlic, curry powder / spices, handful of lentils and a cup of rice.

That's not much more than £1 of ingredients to make a healthy, filling and tasty meal for 4.

Or less than the price of the cheapest frozen pizza.

It's laziness - much easier to buy ready meals, pizzas, chicken nuggets and chips. And a 24 pack bag of corn snacks and a box of broken biscuits and 'just chuck in a multi pack of Mars'.

I will concede that we need to do more in schools - many pupils don't need a stack of GCSEs or A-levels, but would benefit from home economics and financial planning lessons.

Well said on both points. What’s cheaper a Mars bar or an apple and 2 bananas? I recon the fruit but a lot of rope would probably say the Mars bar. I bet this isn’t even touched on in schools.