Man shot dead on M62 in pre-planned police operation
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SKP555 said:
What was probably the worst thing about the scandals involving the church, MPs and the BBC was that they abused positions of power and trust.
[b]What's strange about Rotherham and elsewhere that Muslim grooming gangs abused children is that they weren't very obviously powerful people. Taxi drivers, take away owners, migrant workers.
It seems they also had some power over the authorities.[/b]
Whether that was the power to wreck careers by crying racist or whether the authorities held themselves back without prompting, or something else. We still don't know. And by this thread obviously the perception lingers on that the authorities tread lightly around this community.
I think you have summed the problem up extremely succinctly here. The activities of a minority within a minority community were empowered and encouraged by political will to promote multiculturalism, in some cases to positively discriminate, and to turn a blind eye because of this and out of the very real fear - individually and institutionally - of being branded a bigot.[b]What's strange about Rotherham and elsewhere that Muslim grooming gangs abused children is that they weren't very obviously powerful people. Taxi drivers, take away owners, migrant workers.
It seems they also had some power over the authorities.[/b]
Whether that was the power to wreck careers by crying racist or whether the authorities held themselves back without prompting, or something else. We still don't know. And by this thread obviously the perception lingers on that the authorities tread lightly around this community.
Not policing and applying the law evenly allowed the situation to develop in these instances.
As for those involved in MP and BBC scandals, their (now exposed) abuse of power is repugnant to most of the population.
Bemmer said:
Wonder what will happen to the Audi..? Presume a new screen a (GOOD) valet and off to the Auction to end up on a forecourt for a New life with a unassuming buyer none the wiser...!
I'm looking for one. Wonder if I could get a good deal? Might have a surprise if it comes with ammunition in the glove box. richie99 said:
Bemmer said:
Wonder what will happen to the Audi..? Presume a new screen a (GOOD) valet and off to the Auction to end up on a forecourt for a New life with a unassuming buyer none the wiser...!
I'm looking for one. Wonder if I could get a good deal? Might have a surprise if it comes with ammunition in the glove box. 
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Alpinestars said:
Not aimed at you, but "We still don't know. And by this thread obviously the perception lingers on that the authorities tread lightly around this community. ", is conjecture. And it's frightening that people on this thread are trying to distinguish between crimes on the basis of whether they are reported/covered up, rather than condemning a crime for what it is, particularly when;
A) there are clear examples of cover ups/lack of reporting by all "communities" and,
B) the irony on this thread, which Involves the shooting of a man of a certain background, which was allegedly instigated because he was reported by another man from the same "community".
But clearly, people of a certain community cover up crimes of others, whereas those from another, don't. And more importantly, those cover ups are more important than the crimes themselves.
Conjecture? You don't think that perception exists?A) there are clear examples of cover ups/lack of reporting by all "communities" and,
B) the irony on this thread, which Involves the shooting of a man of a certain background, which was allegedly instigated because he was reported by another man from the same "community".
But clearly, people of a certain community cover up crimes of others, whereas those from another, don't. And more importantly, those cover ups are more important than the crimes themselves.
SKP555 said:
Conjecture? You don't think that perception exists?
The perception may well exist. But unless you're telling me that people on this thread have complete information on asian grooming gangs, it's conjecture. Your words " we still don't know." By definition, conjecture.But let's not get carried away with definitions. Whether people have those perceptions or not, to paraphrase, there are people throwing out that white people don't cover stuff up, "asians" do, and that's somehow a fact, and the important point here.
It's not a fact, and in my view the most important point is the crime.
Alpinestars said:
The perception may well exist. But unless you're telling me that people on this thread have complete information on asian grooming gangs, it's conjecture. Your words " we still don't know." By definition, conjecture.
None of us can possibly have "complete information", the suggestion itself is absurd. However, what we all do know, from the cases already prosecuted and, especially WRT Rotherham, is that the matter was raised by whistleblowers and was quashed, repeatedly and forcefully. This is where the subsequent scandal arose:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762739/Be...
This is not conjecture, it is established fact.
Digga said:
None of us can possibly have "complete information", the suggestion itself is absurd. However, what we all do know, from the cases already prosecuted and, especially WRT Rotherham, is that the matter was raised by whistleblowers and was quashed, repeatedly and forcefully. This is where the subsequent scandal arose:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762739/Be...
This is not conjecture, it is established fact.
This is fact - it seems to be a common theme in all the child rape/abuse sotries. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762739/Be...
This is not conjecture, it is established fact.
Authorities were aware and did nothing, with a lot of victim blaming going on.
I seem to recall there was a policeman (maybe ex) who did ascribe it to political correctness and concern with race relations, but I can't find a link.
Digga said:
richie99 said:
Bemmer said:
Wonder what will happen to the Audi..? Presume a new screen a (GOOD) valet and off to the Auction to end up on a forecourt for a New life with a unassuming buyer none the wiser...!
I'm looking for one. Wonder if I could get a good deal? Might have a surprise if it comes with ammunition in the glove box. Digga said:
Alpinestars said:
The perception may well exist. But unless you're telling me that people on this thread have complete information on asian grooming gangs, it's conjecture. Your words " we still don't know." By definition, conjecture.
None of us can possibly have "complete information", the suggestion itself is absurd. However, what we all do know, from the cases already prosecuted and, especially WRT Rotherham, is that the matter was raised by whistleblowers and was quashed, repeatedly and forcefully. This is where the subsequent scandal arose:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762739/Be...
This is not conjecture, it is established fact.
La Liga said:
ndeed. We've collectively put millions into a fund to buy the best legal advice for our colleagues if necessary.
Do you collectively put millions into a fund to pay compensation to the families of the innocent victims who are killed by police officers or do you rely on the taxpayer to do that? Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff