CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
Elysium said:
What you are saying is that some societies don't respect human rights. I am not sure why you are saying this, because it isn't new information.
No I'm saying that you hardly made it clear the 'human rights are foundational' statement earlier only applied to the UK or in the western countries as compared to making that claim about human society in general.Elysium said:
ChevronB19 said:
But again, whether smallpox vaccine was optional or compulsory, would you have taken it, and would you agree that is has contributed to (an awful phrase) ‘the greater good’. Would you also agree ignoring lockdowns etc and just concentrating on overall health and lifespan) that the C19 vaccine, applied over a large population, has done the same?
I would have taken a smallpox vaccine in exactly the same way as I took two doses of the COVID vaccine.Vaccination is a social good and it should be promoted. However, the final decision needs to be with the individual and be based on informed consent.
Having had it and recovered I felt there was no point getting a vaccine when it became available - my issue was when as a result of not having the vaccine the pressure was ramped up to get more people vaccinated - vaccine passports to travel anyone - I didn't travel as a result - PCR tests to get into a large event as opposed to flashing a card that proved "vaccine status"
Elysium said:
Coercing anyone into vaccination is always morally wrong. Regardless of any arguments about the 'greater good'.
100% agree It's also proven in history over the years to have negative consequences for vaccine uptake - why on earth no one learns from history I'll never know!!!
isaldiri said:
Elysium said:
What you are saying is that some societies don't respect human rights. I am not sure why you are saying this, because it isn't new information.
No I'm saying that you hardly made it clear the 'human rights are foundational' statement earlier only applied to the UK or in the western countries as compared to making that claim about human society in general.I was stating my belief that human rights are the foundation of any just society.
We should settle for nothing less.
Jasandjules said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Worth noting that this policy was eventually dropped because it caused resentment and mistrust of the medical profession... sounds familiar.
Which was because many more people (especially children) died. In some towns the doctors were being killed in the streets. Then they brought it back as compulsory and the same thing happened, death rates shot up, doctors were hunted, the requirement was dropped. This happened three times IIRC. There is a book written about it somewhere..https://hekint.org/2022/03/15/killed-by-vaccinatio...
Rollin said:
Jasandjules said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
Worth noting that this policy was eventually dropped because it caused resentment and mistrust of the medical profession... sounds familiar.
Which was because many more people (especially children) died. In some towns the doctors were being killed in the streets. Then they brought it back as compulsory and the same thing happened, death rates shot up, doctors were hunted, the requirement was dropped. This happened three times IIRC. There is a book written about it somewhere..https://hekint.org/2022/03/15/killed-by-vaccinatio...
At least the smallpox vaccine has a provable high sero-conversion rate - which is more than can be said for the covid vaccines.
Rollin said:
No it wasn't William Young it was Dr Albert someone or other. I had a link on my old laptop and it had the photos of the medics who were killed and signs placed around their necks. And pictures of the "hunting parties".
B'stard Child said:
grumbledoak said:
pocty said:
Where is everybody?
Maybe they all got their spring booster?But still, as long as everyone is ok!
I think what's done is done. The evidence that we were right to be cautious and sceptical is still trickling out, but the MSM is focused on celebrity stories like Lineker and Trump and people are very quick to forget and forgive (easier than admiting they were wrong).
I'm sure next time they release a pandemic, the very same will happen again.
I'm sure next time they release a pandemic, the very same will happen again.
Timothy Bucktu said:
I think what's done is done. The evidence that we were right to be cautious and sceptical is still trickling out, but the MSM is focused on celebrity stories like Lineker and Trump and people are very quick to forget and forgive (easier than admiting they were wrong).
I'm sure next time they release a pandemic, the very same will happen again.
Forgiveness requires repentance. I'm sure next time they release a pandemic, the very same will happen again.
In terms of moving on, it hasn't gone away you know, as a certain famous terrorist once said.
Visited car club friends for the first time since before the pandemic - prior to that they were gregarious and outgoing people, youthful retirees in great health, flying off for foreign city breaks at the drop of a hat. Now, the husband has developed a heart arrhythmia, and the wife has developed head tremors, both have been effectively house bound and have become shells of their former selves. Nothing at all to do with the magic juice or lockdowns, of course. Their gardener also had to retire as he had developed heart problems from nowhere... so many coincidences.
Was speaking to pals in our local men's group - we aren't allowed to officially discuss medical subjects, but outside group in a social setting it's inevitable that it would come up. Two guys are factory workers, and both have had middle aged colleagues drop down dead (died suddenly) right next to them. Another guy drives wagons, and has seen a marked increase in colleagues suffering sudden illnesses at the wheel of lorries - the company are mystified by it.
Ah well, #NoBiggie, nothing to see here.
Visited car club friends for the first time since before the pandemic - prior to that they were gregarious and outgoing people, youthful retirees in great health, flying off for foreign city breaks at the drop of a hat. Now, the husband has developed a heart arrhythmia, and the wife has developed head tremors, both have been effectively house bound and have become shells of their former selves. Nothing at all to do with the magic juice or lockdowns, of course. Their gardener also had to retire as he had developed heart problems from nowhere... so many coincidences.
Was speaking to pals in our local men's group - we aren't allowed to officially discuss medical subjects, but outside group in a social setting it's inevitable that it would come up. Two guys are factory workers, and both have had middle aged colleagues drop down dead (died suddenly) right next to them. Another guy drives wagons, and has seen a marked increase in colleagues suffering sudden illnesses at the wheel of lorries - the company are mystified by it.
Ah well, #NoBiggie, nothing to see here.
Oh yeah, I know, or know of loads of people with various health issues. But it's another difficult thing to discuss as it quick becomes polarised. The Government via the media have done a wonderful job of cementing words like disinformation, conspiracy theory, antivax, tin foil hat etc into the minds of the gullible majority.
There is a very large Elephant in the room around health discussion for sure.
There is a very large Elephant in the room around health discussion for sure.
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