Israel invaded

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Panamax said:

markiii said:

its my personal belief that if you deliberately vandalise anothers property you'd deserve a beating.

Good grief.

Its an analogy the paint scratch is 1200 deaths the beating is smashing your city.

Even if you think Israel are not justified what would you expect them to do.

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MDMetal said:

markiii said:

we keep coming back to this. If Israel wanted to flatten the whole of Gaza it could have done so in a matter of days.

It chose not to, whilst there is collateral damage its not indiscriminate. Indiscriminate would have raised the whole of the strip to the ground by now

Precision isn't exact but the fact that many buildings still stand next to huge craters tells you they aren't just trying to flatten the place

I could murder your whole family but I chose not to, so if half of them die, I'm really totally ok? You just need to listen to what your saying and reverse all the roles and you can see it's nonsense.

No you are talking nonsense he is not saying people are being targeted. He is saying Hamas are and they hide behind people.

That's it. Hamas could come out an fight and save their people but of course they would all be dead in a day this was they all die just half their population do too. Who is at fault here

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julian987R said:

They are stripped because there is possibility that one of those lunatics may have a vest bomb. That is standard practice - get over the stripped bit. The rest is just word soup.

No... iDF just wanted to humiliate them.

You see when you say things like that it just shows the type of person you are.

Are hamas terrorists know to use suicide bombers and do they hide among civilians. Given the answer is yes to both the stripping makes sense you know this your hate for Jews won't let you admit it

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911hope said:

Gecko1978 said:

911hope said:

julian987R said:

They are stripped because there is possibility that one of those lunatics may have a vest bomb. That is standard practice - get over the stripped bit. The rest is just word soup.

No... iDF just wanted to humiliate them.

You
You see when you say things like that it just shows the type of person you are.

Are hamas terrorists know to use suicide bombers and do they hide among civilians. Given the answer is yes to both the stripping makes sense you know this your hate for Jews won't let you admit it

An appalling accusation.

The simplistic belief that anyone who criticised any Israeli act is an antisemitic terrorism supporter is just pathetic.

It is very sad that there are so many people on this thread that believe such a correlation. Some even believe that it is proof, which shows a poor understanding of the concept.

Note. I nearly used the word "think" but realised it is inappropriate, in this context.

You said IDF wanted to Humiliate despite their being a logical reason. It's your hate no one else's issue

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Alpinestars said:

Jinx said:

And I'm saying it doesn't matter what they say - what led to Octber 7th was individuals deciding to abandon all semblance of humanity and raping and murdering their neighbours.

Proceeded and succeeded by inhumanity from Israel.

What was the proceeding inhumanity presented at Gaza.

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Countdown said:

Gecko1978 said:

Alpinestars said:

Jinx said:

And I'm saying it doesn't matter what they say - what led to Octber 7th was individuals deciding to abandon all semblance of humanity and raping and murdering their neighbours.

Proceeded and succeeded by inhumanity from Israel.

What was the proceeding inhumanity presented at Gaza.

There was fairly regular bombing of the place since 2008, there was a fairly extensive blockade, it was considered to be an open-air prison, kids playing on the beach would occasionally get killed (not sure what for) although to be fair the israelis investigated and exonerated themselves.

Report from Oxfam

So a blocked to prevent terror attacks by both Israel and Egypt and bombing in response to rockets so in other words since 2008 hamas have not tried to build gaza but have built 300 miles of terror tunnels

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911hope said:

Ok ...doubling down on your nonsense, are you?

Let's try a thinking exercise, to see how you perform.

How do you explain the lines on stripped and bound people forced to kneel down in the Street. By the time they have done this to each of them, they will have discovered that they are not wearing explosives. Why are they then putting them in the street to be paraded and photographed?

Perhaps you can come up with the reasonable security reason for this?

You and I do not know how they got there but its no different to treatment of prisoners in el Salvador etc. They are nit naked but they are unable to conceal anything. Seems reasonable under the circumstances

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Countdown said:

Gecko1978 said:

So a blocked to prevent terror attacks by both Israel and Egypt and bombing in response to rockets so in other words since 2008 hamas have not tried to build gaza but have built 300 miles of terror tunnels

The blockade wasn’t to prevent terror attacks, it was a form of collective punishment of the Palestinians in Gaza. That’s why they even=n restricted food supplies.

Egypt.....did the same....did they want to.punish them.too

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So stripping men and having them hand over weapons

BBC News - Israel-Gaza war: Video shows Gaza detainees allegedly 'surrendering guns' - what we know
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67675...

As I said it is a logical move not done to humiliate.....it does do that but doesn't seem to be core motive.

Of course the humiliation is loosing to the people you hate, the undressing just the sprinkles on top.

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Alpinestars said:

Mrr T said:

I agree FFS. It's not hard.

Does Israel have free and fair elections. Yes.

Is there any restriction on who can stand in the elections. No.

Do the parties with the largest number of MPs get to form the government. Yes.

Can all Israeli citizens, jewish and non Jewish, vote in the elections. Yes.

Therefore one must conclude it's a democracy.

If the non Jewish population exceeded the Jewish one, could they self determine? No. Ergo not a democracy. Keep digging.

They could vote to elect a goverment that changed the law ergo its a democracy and your a moron

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hidetheelephants said:

Ridgemont said:

thatsprettyshady said:

williamp said:

911hope said:

250,000 Palestinians children suffering from diarrhea or respiratory illnesses in Gaza as a result of the displacement of the population to "safe areas" without sanitation or water and scent shelter.

At what stage will the US make Israel stop?

Maybe they need fresh water???

Oh wait, Hamas dug these pipes up to make rockets against Israli. Must be Israel's fault. I mean, if they didnt exist then...

This was debunked.

Good stuff. Evidence please. You may find when you dig around that the ‘debunking’ appears to be in regard of ‘EU funded’ pipes. So that’s all ticketyboo then….

What kind of goobers set up a water distribution scheme in Gaza using steel pipe? The berks in charge of that didn't do the EU any favours.

Given the number of rockets v factories, schools and hotels that were built by hamas since they took over seems to me maybe the problem was hamas making.

An I know what they definitely didn't spend resources on voting slips. If hamas want the deaths to stop hand over the hostages and surrender....or don't and die along with your people

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skyrover said:

To control what moves into and out of gaza obviously.

Israel wont stop until Hamas is gone, every tunnel buried and all terrorist infrastructure destroyed.

Nor should they stop.

When the dust settles, we can start to discuss the future of Gaza.

I think you need to frame the horror in terms of your own back yard. If France say we're lobbing missiles over the channel then one day killed 1200 people what would I expect the UK to do.....well level Paris maybe, the Leon maybe Toulouse to mix it up a bit. An let's say France didn't have an army with bases but a network of tunnels under schools and hospitals well so be it level away and all.

The thing is it's unlikely to happen in the UK but we see in Ukraine cities being destroyed millions killed by an aggressor and so we support Ukraine. We are still horrified when we see a soldier appear to surrender and another bomb lands on him but that's just war.

Where are the protestors when Ukrainian schools and hospitals were bombed we have seen live children killed where are the protests. There are non so again I put this down to war what's good in Ukraine is good in Gaza

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911hope said:

julian987R said:

So, I'll say again, repeat after me....

'Free Palestine from Hamas'

(cue more word soup and you avoiding saying it).

Can you point out Palestine on a map?

As it doesn't exist and far as I can tell never has existed its going to be difficult.

I would free Gaza from Hamas mind you

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Just because Hamas are a bit rubbish at war unless it is them versus unarmed women and children doesn't give them the moral high ground. Hamas decided to take the action they did on the 7th which involved raping women, killing children, torture and mutilation. Civilians sheltering in bomb shelter's had hand grenades thrown in.

If you think such action was not going to end in 1000's of deaths in Gaza you are a fool.

Hamas I suspect knew Israel would kill many Civilians (who hamsa hid behind) and hoped it would spark a wider conflict with an invasion from the west bank and possibly Iran helping.....seems they were wrong apart from some harsh words it seems the rest of the world doesn't give a fk

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911hope said:

Mrr T said:

There is another way. Hamas could stop trying to destroy, not very successfully, Israel. That we know will not happen.

Can you find any year in which Israel has not killed FAR more Palestinians than vice versa?

You need to accept the fact that Israel also is not the good guy in this multi decade conflict...far from it.

And never has been!

Your confused. Hamas are a terror group who don't hold elections and happen to be quite rubbish at war. Israel is a democracy where Arab citizens can also vote. Israel are quite good at war.

You would think the latter aspect would be a clue to why there are more Palestinians dying also as others have said if Israel wanted to it could wipe out gaza its choosing not too but its also not holding back attacking hamas wherever it hides which happens to be amongst people it does not let have a vote

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Drone attack on a US base

BBC News - Three US troops killed in drone attack in Jordan
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68122...

I suspect some part of the middle east is about the be bombed to dust now

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JagLover said:

CrgT16 said:

If an Arab country was behaving like Israel, to that extent and with towards an enemy with less resources and causing the humanitarian crisis we would have boots on the ground already and sanctions, why is Israel so protected or why is it we cannot criticise this Jewish state? Is it because of the atrocities they suffered in WW2 or over the millennia? Does that give them the right to do as they wish? I think not.
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Like the Saudi led intervention in Yemen you mean?, which has a similar ratio between enemy fighters killed and non-combatants.

We supplied them with more arms as a response.

The combined might of other ME nations could have been brought to bare as peace keepers but has not been. Egypt could open more crossings but have not.

Makes you wonder bar words at the UN what is actually going on. Hamas have reaped what they sowed and they are being wiped out

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Slowboathome said:

M5-911 said:

More than 70% of Israelites support the IDF methods and more than 70% of Palestinians support Hamas idéologies... Endless conflict.

Yup. Both sides seem committed to carrying on fighting.

One of them is going to loose