Discussion
bad company said:
I still say that Stansted is the obvious solution. There is room to widen the M11 and trains run from the airport into the City of London at Liverpool Street.
Stansted expansion has so far been prevented by a very well organised and loud minority.
Stansted to Liverpool St train service is an embarrassment. Frequent bus replacement service or - on occasions - not even a bus replacement service. M11 bottleneck at junction 4 is a joke, but resolvable.Stansted expansion has so far been prevented by a very well organised and loud minority.
I doubt if there is political or commercial will in the UK to do anything other than peacemeal improvements to the existing airports.
We're quite happy with Schipol. Amble up to Humberside. Hop across to Schipol and pick your destination. Plan your ticketing properly and you even avoid most of the UK APD; Holland doesn't have APD.
If UK really must have a new shopping mall with runways then anywhere in the south east is fine. Stansted would get my vote, if I cared. And surely, any major hub should have a proper rail connection, not the pathetic Stansted Express type thing.
Carry on.
If UK really must have a new shopping mall with runways then anywhere in the south east is fine. Stansted would get my vote, if I cared. And surely, any major hub should have a proper rail connection, not the pathetic Stansted Express type thing.
Carry on.
V8 Fettler said:
Stansted to Liverpool St train service is an embarrassment. Frequent bus replacement service or - on occasions - not even a bus replacement service. M11 bottleneck at junction 4 is a joke, but resolvable.
I doubt if there is political or commercial will in the UK to do anything other than peacemeal improvements to the existing airports.
The M11 and the train service can be fairly easily improved.I doubt if there is political or commercial will in the UK to do anything other than peacemeal improvements to the existing airports.
Another interesting point re the positioning of Boris Island.
Not sure on how they would define an 'aircraft safety zone' re circling
in a stack ready for landing but, 4 miles N-NE is Southend Airport and
12 miles S-SW is Rochester Airport, both of which are busy with light to
medium sized aircraft + there is always over the Medway area a large number
of Army helicopters both large (Chinook) and medium (Apache) sized on a
daily basis.
Not sure on how they would define an 'aircraft safety zone' re circling
in a stack ready for landing but, 4 miles N-NE is Southend Airport and
12 miles S-SW is Rochester Airport, both of which are busy with light to
medium sized aircraft + there is always over the Medway area a large number
of Army helicopters both large (Chinook) and medium (Apache) sized on a
daily basis.
109er said:
Another interesting point re the positioning of Boris Island.
Not sure on how they would define an 'aircraft safety zone' re circling
in a stack ready for landing but, 4 miles N-NE is Southend Airport and
12 miles S-SW is Rochester Airport, both of which are busy with light to
medium sized aircraft + there is always over the Medway area a large number
of Army helicopters both large (Chinook) and medium (Apache) sized on a
daily basis.
And further out doesn't it clash with Schipol's approaches?Not sure on how they would define an 'aircraft safety zone' re circling
in a stack ready for landing but, 4 miles N-NE is Southend Airport and
12 miles S-SW is Rochester Airport, both of which are busy with light to
medium sized aircraft + there is always over the Medway area a large number
of Army helicopters both large (Chinook) and medium (Apache) sized on a
daily basis.
109er said:
Another interesting point re the positioning of Boris Island.
Not sure on how they would define an 'aircraft safety zone' re circling
in a stack ready for landing but, 4 miles N-NE is Southend Airport and
12 miles S-SW is Rochester Airport, both of which are busy with light to
medium sized aircraft + there is always over the Medway area a large number
of Army helicopters both large (Chinook) and medium (Apache) sized on a
daily basis.
The vertical separation would still be large, and stacking will be 20miles away anyway, if the Heathrow stacking is anything to go by.Not sure on how they would define an 'aircraft safety zone' re circling
in a stack ready for landing but, 4 miles N-NE is Southend Airport and
12 miles S-SW is Rochester Airport, both of which are busy with light to
medium sized aircraft + there is always over the Medway area a large number
of Army helicopters both large (Chinook) and medium (Apache) sized on a
daily basis.
oyster said:
The North Downs are in the way to start with, so that would need tunnelling.
And I'm not so sure the residents of Cobham aqnd Weybridge would like it too much.
It would shadow/elevate over the M25 past cobham/weybridge. Can't see they'd have a complaint that could be upheld.And I'm not so sure the residents of Cobham aqnd Weybridge would like it too much.
It could leave the M25 perhaps just before leatherhead, southerly to dorking then SW across farmland all the way to LGW.
bad company said:
V8 Fettler said:
Stansted to Liverpool St train service is an embarrassment. Frequent bus replacement service or - on occasions - not even a bus replacement service. M11 bottleneck at junction 4 is a joke, but resolvable.
I doubt if there is political or commercial will in the UK to do anything other than peacemeal improvements to the existing airports.
The M11 and the train service can be fairly easily improved.I doubt if there is political or commercial will in the UK to do anything other than peacemeal improvements to the existing airports.
V8 Fettler said:
M11 closed northbound today (south of Stansted), 0600hrs to 1300hrs, people walking along the carriageway with their cases, shambolic. Short term solution should have been to bulldoze the rebar off the carriageway and then re-open, instead it's all carefully re-slung and carefully lifted back onto a truck.
That did sound like a mess and caused a lot of trouble. Any idea why they deal with everything so slowly/carefully?bad company said:
V8 Fettler said:
M11 closed northbound today (south of Stansted), 0600hrs to 1300hrs, people walking along the carriageway with their cases, shambolic. Short term solution should have been to bulldoze the rebar off the carriageway and then re-open, instead it's all carefully re-slung and carefully lifted back onto a truck.
That did sound like a mess and caused a lot of trouble. Any idea why they deal with everything so slowly/carefully?
bad company said:
109er said:
Health & Safety + Brussels red tape
Doesn't happen like that in Germany. Arn't they restricted by the same red tape?
the letter' no matter what.Germany and other European countries just (sort of) follow it loosely
bad company said:
V8 Fettler said:
M11 closed northbound today (south of Stansted), 0600hrs to 1300hrs, people walking along the carriageway with their cases, shambolic. Short term solution should have been to bulldoze the rebar off the carriageway and then re-open, instead it's all carefully re-slung and carefully lifted back onto a truck.
That did sound like a mess and caused a lot of trouble. Any idea why they deal with everything so slowly/carefully?If someone would be kind enough to explain the dilemma to me, I'd really appreciate it. I know very little about it.
Why is it so paramount to be the EU's hub? I presume that we don't lose business because someone can't get any flight to the UK, and if someone stops in the UK while going from A to B, does it generate any real revenue?
Thank you.
Why is it so paramount to be the EU's hub? I presume that we don't lose business because someone can't get any flight to the UK, and if someone stops in the UK while going from A to B, does it generate any real revenue?
Thank you.
Fittster said:
So is Boris going to get his dream airport?
I'd guess at no, going to set my alarm for 7 tomorrow morning to find out. Think they'll shoot a hole through the capacity arguments and go for two extra runways at Heathrow, one short haul at least, another runway at Birmingham as it's on HS2. Possibly expansion at either Gatwick or Stansted, but not both. A shame really as a 24 hour hub airport unencumbered by limits on expansion would future proof the UK for a century at least.greygoose said:
Fittster said:
So is Boris going to get his dream airport?
I doubt it, I suspect other options will be suggested followed by some more reviews and nothing will happen for a few more years.
Well what a surprise two of the three shortlisted options are Heathrow expansion.
Unlike the politicians they can see sense that we need to expand our hub, that is bursting at the seams, and that moving the Hub to another side of London might be good for some Londoners but is an appalling location for most of the rest of the country. It takes an independent commission to stand up to a London-centric media.
Unlike the politicians they can see sense that we need to expand our hub, that is bursting at the seams, and that moving the Hub to another side of London might be good for some Londoners but is an appalling location for most of the rest of the country. It takes an independent commission to stand up to a London-centric media.
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