Guns Everywhere
Discussion
Jimbeaux said:
croyde said:
longblackcoat said:
Anyway, the moral of the story is the the Brits don't understand the Americans and vice versa. Plus ca change.
Good point. I work in telly and have covered big football matches. Now it has to be appreciated that Sky has transformed the coverage of football and on a top premiership match, will have 30 cameras on it. The talkback during a match is pretty laid back as everyone knows what they are doing but listen to American talkback on their football games and it's as if they are invading somewhere. Screaming, shouting etc Lots of big words and gruff voices.I have worked with Brit and American crews on live music and it's exactly the same.
I used to work on little live corporate events. 2 or 3 people chatting for an hour accessed by the workers on their laptops. Webcasts they were called. One day we did one with a US crew but my English director stayed on as an advisor.
The screaming and shouting started with numerous people counting down to live. I turned to my English director and said "Blimey! It's like the launching of the shuttle."
To which he replied "And we know how that turned out, don't we."
Sorry JimBeaux
We balance that out by being calm on the radio during emergencies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2tfLioLR0
...and what's the point of having all those guns if you can't use them to slot something suspicious on the subway when the mood takes you?
eharding said:
Jimbeaux said:
croyde said:
longblackcoat said:
Anyway, the moral of the story is the the Brits don't understand the Americans and vice versa. Plus ca change.
Good point. I work in telly and have covered big football matches. Now it has to be appreciated that Sky has transformed the coverage of football and on a top premiership match, will have 30 cameras on it. The talkback during a match is pretty laid back as everyone knows what they are doing but listen to American talkback on their football games and it's as if they are invading somewhere. Screaming, shouting etc Lots of big words and gruff voices.I have worked with Brit and American crews on live music and it's exactly the same.
I used to work on little live corporate events. 2 or 3 people chatting for an hour accessed by the workers on their laptops. Webcasts they were called. One day we did one with a US crew but my English director stayed on as an advisor.
The screaming and shouting started with numerous people counting down to live. I turned to my English director and said "Blimey! It's like the launching of the shuttle."
To which he replied "And we know how that turned out, don't we."
Sorry JimBeaux We balance that out by being calm on the radio during emergencies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN2tfLioLR0
...and what's the point of having all those guns if you can't use them to slot something suspicious on the subway when the mood takes you?
Blib said:
I see no point in legally held handguns in a modern, 21st Century society. So, you want to go to a gun club and shoot a hand gun at a target? Pointless.
There are many activities that I consider pointless, but clearly to the participants it is not pointless.When I lived in the US I had a couple of guns and competed in practical pistol competitions, prior to my return to the UK I had to sell my guns and give up an activity I enjoyed and harmed no-one.
I am a firm supporter of gun control, but I also think responsible law abiding citizens should be able to decide for themselves if they want to own a gun.
Corpulent Tosser said:
I also think responsible law abiding citizens should be able to decide for themselves if they want to own a gun.
If every citizen was law abiding there wouldnt be the mess that there is. Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
Pommygranite said:
If every citizen was law abiding there wouldnt be the mess that there is.
Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
You do realise that a sane law abiding adult can buy a gun in the UK at present don't you ? It takes a bit of effort and meeting strict criteria, but many people do own guns in Britain. Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
Certain classifications of guns do have a blanket ban though, multi shot handguns being the one targeted post Dunblane.
Corpulent Tosser said:
Pommygranite said:
If every citizen was law abiding there wouldnt be the mess that there is.
Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
You do realise that a sane law abiding adult can buy a gun in the UK at present don't you ? It takes a bit of effort and meeting strict criteria, but many people do own guns in Britain. Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
Certain classifications of guns do have a blanket ban though, multi shot handguns being the one targeted post Dunblane.
Pommygranite said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Pommygranite said:
If every citizen was law abiding there wouldnt be the mess that there is.
Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
You do realise that a sane law abiding adult can buy a gun in the UK at present don't you ? It takes a bit of effort and meeting strict criteria, but many people do own guns in Britain. Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
Certain classifications of guns do have a blanket ban though, multi shot handguns being the one targeted post Dunblane.
Corpulent Tosser said:
Pommygranite said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Pommygranite said:
If every citizen was law abiding there wouldnt be the mess that there is.
Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
You do realise that a sane law abiding adult can buy a gun in the UK at present don't you ? It takes a bit of effort and meeting strict criteria, but many people do own guns in Britain. Do they undertake a check to ensure gun buyers are responsible and law abiding? I dont think they do which makes your point rather, well, pointless.
If you are saying that any sane, adult buying citizen should be able to buy a gun it sounds a little random doesnt it.
Certain classifications of guns do have a blanket ban though, multi shot handguns being the one targeted post Dunblane.
Its sickening to hear of so many deaths attributed to a problem that could start to be dealt with if it wasnt for so many short sighted individuals refusing to see common sense that would benefit the many due to their desire to 'protect the constitution' in favour of the few with the most money and who can shout the loudest.
In what respect does an American citizen need an AR15 for any other reason but a terrible reason.
Pommygranite said:
Its sickening to hear of so many deaths attributed to a problem that could start to be dealt with if it wasnt for so many short sighted individuals refusing to see common sense that would benefit the many due to their desire to 'protect the constitution' in favour of the few with the most money and who can shout the loudest.
But the point under debate is WHETHER tightening gun laws would prevent the deaths.Repeatedly saying 'but shooting people is wrong' doesn't settle this.
Mexico has tighter gun laws than the US and a higher murder rate, Canada has similar laws and a lower rate. The assertion that tightening gun laws solves the problem might sound like 'common sense' but evidence indicates that it isn't that simple.
One of the most recent mass shooting was carried out with a shotgun, even law abiding Brits are still allowed shotguns.
Dr Jekyll said:
Pommygranite said:
Its sickening to hear of so many deaths attributed to a problem that could start to be dealt with if it wasnt for so many short sighted individuals refusing to see common sense that would benefit the many due to their desire to 'protect the constitution' in favour of the few with the most money and who can shout the loudest.
But the point under debate is WHETHER tightening gun laws would prevent the deaths.Repeatedly saying 'but shooting people is wrong' doesn't settle this.
Mexico has tighter gun laws than the US and a higher murder rate, Canada has similar laws and a lower rate. The assertion that tightening gun laws solves the problem might sound like 'common sense' but evidence indicates that it isn't that simple.
One of the most recent mass shooting was carried out with a shotgun, even law abiding Brits are still allowed shotguns.
I would think that of the 270m firearms in the US many would become black market fodder. Now, this would probably not curtail illegal usage currently experienced but I would think it would reduce the chance of events like Sandy Hook and Columbine.
My point is, if nothing substantial changes there will be no substantial changes.
I cannot see a downside to a total firearms ban.
Gun control in the US is a non starter, there are so many guns by people who will not register them under any circumstances, and as the number and where they are is unknown they can never be forced to register them.
I had friends who owned guns that they had never fired and had no intention of firing, they had extensive collections, that was their hobby, collecting guns.
I recall one being a Mauser rifle cut down and made into a pistol, I doubt it would have been a nice gun to fire, the owner biught it because it was different.
I had friends who owned guns that they had never fired and had no intention of firing, they had extensive collections, that was their hobby, collecting guns.
I recall one being a Mauser rifle cut down and made into a pistol, I doubt it would have been a nice gun to fire, the owner biught it because it was different.
Corpulent Tosser said:
Gun control in the US is a non starter, there are so many guns by people who will not register them under any circumstances, and as the number and where they are is unknown they can never be forced to register them.
I had friends who owned guns that they had never fired and had no intention of firing, they had extensive collections, that was their hobby, collecting guns.
I recall one being a Mauser rifle cut down and made into a pistol, I doubt it would have been a nice gun to fire, the owner biught it because it was different.
I get this but imagine if they simply stopped selling any more. It has to start somewhere, better to try than just procrastinate. However I do think its a situation beyond resolution and nothing will change.I had friends who owned guns that they had never fired and had no intention of firing, they had extensive collections, that was their hobby, collecting guns.
I recall one being a Mauser rifle cut down and made into a pistol, I doubt it would have been a nice gun to fire, the owner biught it because it was different.
Fewer people are killed each year by rifles in the USA than they are by hammers. AR-15s are not the problem.
You can do a lot of damage with *any* firearm so focusing on one particular type or feature is silly.
The reasons to have an AR-15 (although they don't need a reason!) are wide and varied. People go hunting, do target shooting, 3-gun competition, home defense or just as a project since they are basically gun Lego with a bewildering array of options available. What is it you don't like about it?
You can do a lot of damage with *any* firearm so focusing on one particular type or feature is silly.
The reasons to have an AR-15 (although they don't need a reason!) are wide and varied. People go hunting, do target shooting, 3-gun competition, home defense or just as a project since they are basically gun Lego with a bewildering array of options available. What is it you don't like about it?
Pommygranite said:
I cannot see a downside to a total firearms ban.
Here's one:When handguns were banned in UK, compensation had to be paid to the owners when their legitimately held property* was taken from them. The cost came to about £2 billion. Maybe the ban saved lives, maybe it didn't, but if that £2 billion went into hospitals instead it would probably have saved a life or two.
The ban on legitimate handguns has not prevented the use of illegal ones- it's fundamental to the concept of illegal firearms that laws against them don't affect their use. All a ban does is cost an awful lot of money to get rid of the guns that aren't the real problem.
- definition of legitimate: the authorities issued licences allowing possession and other authorities charged tax on the purchases
Pommygranite said:
I know they do but last time I checked you couldnt buy one of these:
You can. The Colt M4 is available to buy for anyone with FAC. It will only fire .22 rimfire but it is semi auto. Amazingly it can be had new for around £500. Other AR type rifles firing the same round .223 as the one pictured can be had but in bolt action single fire only.
You can buy AK47s converted to single fire. All legal in the UK.
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