Police Officer killed on duty
Discussion
98elise said:
TNTom said:
Four houses corner traveller site raided a few hours later, just 3 miles away from the incident. Make of that as you will, absolute vermin scum.
It's not a travellers site according to the BBC, it's a "caravan site". Brooking10 said:
CAPP0 said:
Brooking10 said:
And what laws aren’t they subject to ?
I've recently provided my MP, at his request, with a list of the crimes known (as in seen and recorded by residents) committed by those known as travellers in our fairly small village. The bulleted list runs to almost a full side of A4.Whilst this case may be dealt with using the full force of the law, regardless of which societal group the perpetrators belong to, it is a fact that the constant ability of travellers to live almost exclusively outside the law needs addressing at a root and branch level. We had a senior police officer (Chief Inspector, I think) address the village recently and it was clear that he had not the first idea about the level of traveller crime being committed; largely, I suspect, because his officers never, ever intervene, at least not in our village.
Edited by CAPP0 on Friday 16th August 23:06
The point I was trying to make is that nobody is immune from the law, the issue is more about why / how it is difficult to prosecute that law in certain instances. La Liga and Red 4 have given some insight into that earlier in the thread.
Your story is perhaps a microcosm of the above given that it suggests junior officers not intervening for reasons undetermined as opposed to senior level lawmakers/upholders affording some kind of mythical protection to travellers.
The problem is that the police, the council, and the government constantly turn a blind eye, even covering up for their lawlessness.
He's an example. This is a councils "myth buster" page on travelers telling us that they all pay taxes and commit no more crime than any other community.
https://www.cheshirewestandchester.gov.uk/your-cou...
Plenty of other councils put out the same information
An FOI request on payment of council taxes shows travellers only pay 17% Vs 97% for everyone else
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1502866/Mo...
Ask any senior police officer their views on travellers and you will get the political response. As any front line officer off the record and you will get a very different story.
9.3 said:
98elise said:
It's not a travellers site according to the BBC, it's a "caravan site".
One absolutely despairs of the BBC and their woke agenda. Yup, it’d be those damned Caravan Club members up to it again ...... p4cks said:
9.3 said:
98elise said:
It's not a travellers site according to the BBC, it's a "caravan site".
One absolutely despairs of the BBC and their woke agenda. Yup, it’d be those damned Caravan Club members up to it again ...... The Hypno-Toad said:
I would think it was quite possible that the police just arrested every male on the site who was capable of reaching the pedals of a car and see if one of them caves in and lets them know who actually did. When they know they have gone too far isn’t the usual drill for the men on these sites to have “left for a horse sale’” or “gone to a funeral in Ireland,”?
My thoughts are with the PC and his family. In all the pictures he looks like such a happy guy, looks like he’d found the love of his life. And to die like that?
Humanity is f
ked. 
Scene and optimum evidence you take dna samples upon arrest/custody- they'll be looking for dna possibly on an airbag. My thoughts are with the PC and his family. In all the pictures he looks like such a happy guy, looks like he’d found the love of his life. And to die like that?
Humanity is f
ked. In general/officer risk Police officers on single crew response duty face daily risk to their safety at least once daily.
Think about a typical blue light response. Never mind being armed with a stick facing Hep C/AIDs people who are angry and addled with drugs. The risks for the money is appalling.
The job is alot more dangerous than the general public can even guess.
Edited by Sa Calobra on Saturday 17th August 09:29
Calmed down today, yesterday too angry to trust myself to post anything more on the thread than the Black Screen with Thin Blue Line.
The straw that broke the camel wasn't this incident, as horrific as it is, though that photo in the Telegraph of the blood stained drag marks across the A4 is bad enough. It's not the utter vermin who have done this, it was receiving this on Twitter which was written in response to an expression of the devastation to the police family.
Here it is....
from live-die-lowestoft @DieLowestoft
to @DC_ARVSgt @BorisJohnson
Glad to hear you are devastated. Score one more for decent gentle citizens against thugs and bullies like you. Every one of you that dies is a victory for the citizens you pretend to protect.
Twitter thread here
Would nominate for punch in the face thread but that would simply play into the idiot's hands. Would do a screen grab instead of copy paste but for some reason phone playing up. It's all in the linked thread right from the initial Boris post.
The straw that broke the camel wasn't this incident, as horrific as it is, though that photo in the Telegraph of the blood stained drag marks across the A4 is bad enough. It's not the utter vermin who have done this, it was receiving this on Twitter which was written in response to an expression of the devastation to the police family.
Here it is....
from live-die-lowestoft @DieLowestoft
to @DC_ARVSgt @BorisJohnson
Glad to hear you are devastated. Score one more for decent gentle citizens against thugs and bullies like you. Every one of you that dies is a victory for the citizens you pretend to protect.
Twitter thread here
Would nominate for punch in the face thread but that would simply play into the idiot's hands. Would do a screen grab instead of copy paste but for some reason phone playing up. It's all in the linked thread right from the initial Boris post.
PSB1 said:
The worrying thing about the evidence trail is that they managed to torch the van, according to the telegraph. I really hope they manage to build a strong case.
I’ve read the poor guy, PC Andrew, was also hit by a police dog unit responding. I imagine even if they do find the responsible their “out to serve justice” lawyer will argue he was killed by the secondary impact, so Paddy walks away - again. Brooking10 said:
I fully appreciate that situation and the attendant frustration.
The point I was trying to make is that nobody is immune from the law, the issue is more about why / how it is difficult to prosecute that law in certain instances. La Liga and Red 4 have given some insight into that earlier in the thread.
Your story is perhaps a microcosm of the above given that it suggests junior officers not intervening for reasons undetermined as opposed to senior level lawmakers/upholders affording some kind of mythical protection to travellers.
They are effectively immune.The point I was trying to make is that nobody is immune from the law, the issue is more about why / how it is difficult to prosecute that law in certain instances. La Liga and Red 4 have given some insight into that earlier in the thread.
Your story is perhaps a microcosm of the above given that it suggests junior officers not intervening for reasons undetermined as opposed to senior level lawmakers/upholders affording some kind of mythical protection to travellers.
Say you needed a digger, a nice kubota 3 tonne. Being a law abiding chap, you’d go to the local hire place and get one. Now imagine if one day on the way back from the office you went a bit Michael Douglas in Falling Down. You drive to my neighbours farm, break into a barn and steal his. Somehow you get it home. Unfortunately for you it has a tracker bleeping away, and its really easy to spot a 3 tonne digger.
So, do you expect the police to say:
1) Ok, Brooking, you’re nicked, hand the digger over?
2) Ah, Brooking, um, yeah, do you mind if we have a look at that digger, oh you’re busy, if we come back in a week would that be OK? Hmmm, sure. <Comes back in a week>. Oh, most of the digger has gone, do you have any idea where that chassis came from that matches a stolen digger? No idea? OK, have a nice day!
Because (2) is actually what happened to my neighbour. We could actually f
king see the digger with the naked eye, in the middle of a load of caravans, and the police wouldn’t do a damn thing.Normal citizens don’t nick things and expect to get away with it. The sort of activity they were up to happens every single bloody night round here, the police don’t care (here’s a crime number for the insurance). The only reason anyone is talking about this burglary is that the cheeky chappies actually managed to kill a policeman this time. If they’d killed the farmer, it would be “man dies in burglary” on page 2. On the down side, I’ll be amazed if any of them get more than 10 years. So bleeding heart will claim that it was the other car that killed the poor guy, the driver had no idea he was on the car, and everyone else was just picking flowers.
La Liga said:
In the main I raise that point is when the keyboard warriors, whose confrontational experience probably consists of angry emails, write things like "the police are scared of them" etc.
You really are becoming a bit of a parody, while i am white and middle aged i am not angry just saddened that a section of our society can and has acted with impunity in a large number of low level crimes. it is these crimes that affect the most people in their interaction with this section of our community
while you might not consider someone walking down your drive to try the garage door on a level with this sad case its cumulative effect is disturbing to normal people ( and yes cctv evidence was given to the police and it captured the transits reg)
the constant trying it on with local traders is another, the common tactic here seems to be being a few quid short on the bill at the register and then making a huge fuss when told they cannot have everything they want to buy in the hopes the poor person on the till will let them off with paying the full amount.
the law in this country needs and has to be seen to treat everyone to the same standards and unfortunately with this section the law is not seen to be effective.
as for this "whose confrontational experience probably" you have no idea
rxe said:
Brooking10 said:
I fully appreciate that situation and the attendant frustration.
The point I was trying to make is that nobody is immune from the law, the issue is more about why / how it is difficult to prosecute that law in certain instances. La Liga and Red 4 have given some insight into that earlier in the thread.
Your story is perhaps a microcosm of the above given that it suggests junior officers not intervening for reasons undetermined as opposed to senior level lawmakers/upholders affording some kind of mythical protection to travellers.
They are effectively immune.The point I was trying to make is that nobody is immune from the law, the issue is more about why / how it is difficult to prosecute that law in certain instances. La Liga and Red 4 have given some insight into that earlier in the thread.
Your story is perhaps a microcosm of the above given that it suggests junior officers not intervening for reasons undetermined as opposed to senior level lawmakers/upholders affording some kind of mythical protection to travellers.
Say you needed a digger, a nice kubota 3 tonne. Being a law abiding chap, you’d go to the local hire place and get one. Now imagine if one day on the way back from the office you went a bit Michael Douglas in Falling Down. You drive to my neighbours farm, break into a barn and steal his. Somehow you get it home. Unfortunately for you it has a tracker bleeping away, and its really easy to spot a 3 tonne digger.
So, do you expect the police to say:
1) Ok, Brooking, you’re nicked, hand the digger over?
2) Ah, Brooking, um, yeah, do you mind if we have a look at that digger, oh you’re busy, if we come back in a week would that be OK? Hmmm, sure. <Comes back in a week>. Oh, most of the digger has gone, do you have any idea where that chassis came from that matches a stolen digger? No idea? OK, have a nice day!
Because (2) is actually what happened to my neighbour. We could actually f
king see the digger with the naked eye, in the middle of a load of caravans, and the police wouldn’t do a damn thing.Normal citizens don’t nick things and expect to get away with it. The sort of activity they were up to happens every single bloody night round here, the police don’t care (here’s a crime number for the insurance). The only reason anyone is talking about this burglary is that the cheeky chappies actually managed to kill a policeman this time. If they’d killed the farmer, it would be “man dies in burglary” on page 2. On the down side, I’ll be amazed if any of them get more than 10 years. So bleeding heart will claim that it was the other car that killed the poor guy, the driver had no idea he was on the car, and everyone else was just picking flowers.
There is no immunity from the law (diplomats aside ).
I struggle to believe that anywhere in UK there is any directive that states travellers should be afforded a free pass because they are travellers.
It would seem though that that is effectively happening.
The issue therefore is what are the underlying problems causing this - Too little manpower ? Too much bureaucracy ? Inability to secure evidence/convictions ?
I don't know but it is clearly a problem based on your example.
As I say though despite what some are implying I do not believe it is some human rights lead "let them be" agenda.
We'd do far better to try and understand those root causes than froth about nonexistent imagined minority protectionism..
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 17th August 10:03
citizensm1th said:
La Liga said:
In the main I raise that point is when the keyboard warriors, whose confrontational experience probably consists of angry emails, write things like "the police are scared of them" etc.
You really are becoming a bit of a parody, while i am white and middle aged i am not angry just saddened that a section of our society can and has acted with impunity in a large number of low level crimes. it is these crimes that affect the most people in their interaction with this section of our community
while you might not consider someone walking down your drive to try the garage door on a level with this sad case its cumulative effect is disturbing to normal people ( and yes cctv evidence was given to the police and it captured the transits reg)
the constant trying it on with local traders is another, the common tactic here seems to be being a few quid short on the bill at the register and then making a huge fuss when told they cannot have everything they want to buy in the hopes the poor person on the till will let them off with paying the full amount.
the law in this country needs and has to be seen to treat everyone to the same standards and unfortunately with this section the law is not seen to be effective.
as for this "whose confrontational experience probably" you have no idea
They types in question have spent their lives working out how to dodge the line & it's been handed down for generations. Strong & emotive language is used where they are concerned & whilst the calls for lynching are OTT, they are understandable if either, one has experience of them or a modicum of a sense of right & wrong.
This also applies to many who don't travel or live on camps such as these (from personal experience).
Worst type of thug is at the start of the list & it goes downhill from there.
PSB1 said:
FiF said:
Calmed down today, yesterday too angry to trust myself to post anything more on the thread than the Black Screen with Thin Blue Line.
The straw that broke the camel wasn't this incident, as horrific as it is, though that photo in the Telegraph of the blood stained drag marks across the A4 is bad enough. It's not the utter vermin who have done this, it was receiving this on Twitter which was written in response to an expression of the devastation to the police family.
Here it is....
from live-die-lowestoft @DieLowestoft
to @DC_ARVSgt @BorisJohnson
Glad to hear you are devastated. Score one more for decent gentle citizens against thugs and bullies like you. Every one of you that dies is a victory for the citizens you pretend to protect.
Twitter thread here
Would nominate for punch in the face thread but that would simply play into the idiot's hands. Would do a screen grab instead of copy paste but for some reason phone playing up. It's all in the linked thread right from the initial Boris post.
What a total The straw that broke the camel wasn't this incident, as horrific as it is, though that photo in the Telegraph of the blood stained drag marks across the A4 is bad enough. It's not the utter vermin who have done this, it was receiving this on Twitter which was written in response to an expression of the devastation to the police family.
Here it is....
from live-die-lowestoft @DieLowestoft
to @DC_ARVSgt @BorisJohnson
Glad to hear you are devastated. Score one more for decent gentle citizens against thugs and bullies like you. Every one of you that dies is a victory for the citizens you pretend to protect.
Twitter thread here
Would nominate for punch in the face thread but that would simply play into the idiot's hands. Would do a screen grab instead of copy paste but for some reason phone playing up. It's all in the linked thread right from the initial Boris post.
.He's also calling people out, daring them to send their address. Micro-penis packer.
Try this one https://twitter.com/DC_ARVSgt/status/1162329989624...
Scroll down to the reply from the Lowestoft scum
98elise said:
Brooking10 said:
CAPP0 said:
Brooking10 said:
And what laws aren’t they subject to ?
I've recently provided my MP, at his request, with a list of the crimes known (as in seen and recorded by residents) committed by those known as travellers in our fairly small village. The bulleted list runs to almost a full side of A4.Whilst this case may be dealt with using the full force of the law, regardless of which societal group the perpetrators belong to, it is a fact that the constant ability of travellers to live almost exclusively outside the law needs addressing at a root and branch level. We had a senior police officer (Chief Inspector, I think) address the village recently and it was clear that he had not the first idea about the level of traveller crime being committed; largely, I suspect, because his officers never, ever intervene, at least not in our village.
Edited by CAPP0 on Friday 16th August 23:06
The point I was trying to make is that nobody is immune from the law, the issue is more about why / how it is difficult to prosecute that law in certain instances. La Liga and Red 4 have given some insight into that earlier in the thread.
Your story is perhaps a microcosm of the above given that it suggests junior officers not intervening for reasons undetermined as opposed to senior level lawmakers/upholders affording some kind of mythical protection to travellers.
The problem is that the police, the council, and the government constantly turn a blind eye, even covering up for their lawlessness.
He's an example. This is a councils "myth buster" page on travelers telling us that they all pay taxes and commit no more crime than any other community.
https://www.cheshirewestandchester.gov.uk/your-cou...
Plenty of other councils put out the same information
An FOI request on payment of council taxes shows travellers only pay 17% Vs 97% for everyone else
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1502866/Mo...
Ask any senior police officer their views on travellers and you will get the political response. As any front line officer off the record and you will get a very different story.
Here's a revolutionary idea for the Police - PRIORITISE!
Prioritise making an anti-social lifestyle a recipe for constant stops, checks, arrests, knocks on the door, fines, bailiff visits, repossessions, driving bans and all the other things that should happen but don't 'because we don't have the resources'.
Well, most people don't believe you. They believe that you prioritise things like Facebook bullying over arresting violent, mouthy a
holes. They also believe you are deeply infected with a PC mentality that gives scumbags with a particular profile special privileges. This is where I have some sympathy with lower level officers. They aren't deciding the main priorities. There is a failure of leadership but those leaders come from the ranks so no-one is blameless.It could start by making it difficult to move around. If I do an MOT check on a group of travellers parked up I know there will be several illegal vehicles among them. How difficult is it for the Police to do exactly the same and then check the vehicles for roadworthiness. I can guaranteed that several car will have no VED in place. Why are they never clamped in the way numerous private cars are immobilised?
I wish PC Harper's death would be a catalyst for change but I can't see it. The only slim hope is that Priti Patel can see the political points to be scored here and changes some priorities.
Taylor James said:
98elise said:
Brooking10 said:
CAPP0 said:
Brooking10 said:
And what laws aren’t they subject to ?
I've recently provided my MP, at his request, with a list of the crimes known (as in seen and recorded by residents) committed by those known as travellers in our fairly small village. The bulleted list runs to almost a full side of A4.Whilst this case may be dealt with using the full force of the law, regardless of which societal group the perpetrators belong to, it is a fact that the constant ability of travellers to live almost exclusively outside the law needs addressing at a root and branch level. We had a senior police officer (Chief Inspector, I think) address the village recently and it was clear that he had not the first idea about the level of traveller crime being committed; largely, I suspect, because his officers never, ever intervene, at least not in our village.
Edited by CAPP0 on Friday 16th August 23:06
The point I was trying to make is that nobody is immune from the law, the issue is more about why / how it is difficult to prosecute that law in certain instances. La Liga and Red 4 have given some insight into that earlier in the thread.
Your story is perhaps a microcosm of the above given that it suggests junior officers not intervening for reasons undetermined as opposed to senior level lawmakers/upholders affording some kind of mythical protection to travellers.
The problem is that the police, the council, and the government constantly turn a blind eye, even covering up for their lawlessness.
He's an example. This is a councils "myth buster" page on travelers telling us that they all pay taxes and commit no more crime than any other community.
https://www.cheshirewestandchester.gov.uk/your-cou...
Plenty of other councils put out the same information
An FOI request on payment of council taxes shows travellers only pay 17% Vs 97% for everyone else
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1502866/Mo...
Ask any senior police officer their views on travellers and you will get the political response. As any front line officer off the record and you will get a very different story.
Here's a revolutionary idea for the Police - PRIORITISE!
Prioritise making an anti-social lifestyle a recipe for constant stops, checks, arrests, knocks on the door, fines, bailiff visits, repossessions, driving bans and all the other things that should happen but don't 'because we don't have the resources'.
Well, most people don't believe you. They believe that you prioritise things like Facebook bullying over arresting violent, mouthy a
holes. They also believe you are deeply infected with a PC mentality that gives scumbags with a particular profile special privileges. This is where I have some sympathy with lower level officers. They aren't deciding the main priorities. There is a failure of leadership but those leaders come from the ranks so no-one is blameless.It could start by making it difficult to move around. If I do an MOT check on a group of travellers parked up I know there will be several illegal vehicles among them. How difficult is it for the Police to do exactly the same and then check the vehicles for roadworthiness. I can guaranteed that several car will have no VED in place. Why are they never clamped in the way numerous private cars are immobilised?
I wish PC Harper's death would be a catalyst for change but I can't see it. The only slim hope is that Priti Patel can see the political points to be scored here and changes some priorities.
If the police did the same when travellers drive their cars/vans I to public parks it would soon have an impact.
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