Vegan Snowflakes

[biggbn]

ZedLeg said:

I'm vegan, I'm not trying to force it one anyone else. I know there are some that are aggressively vocal about veganism but there are also people who eat meat who are the same.

Agreed although people do not seem willing to believe this.

[kurokawa]

hutchst said:

No, they're trying to force their beliefs on other people. With violence if necessary. And we would all agree if only we weren't too stupid to understand.

No offence to any vegans or vegetarians
Those who protested in restaurant are the one I fail to understand. From what I learn they believe eating meat is killing. Get me think how they define “life”.

[biggbn]

kurokawa said:

hutchst said:

No, they're trying to force their beliefs on other people. With violence if necessary. And we would all agree if only we weren't too stupid to understand.

No offence to any vegans or vegetarians
Those who protested in restaurant are the one I fail to understand. From what I learn they believe eating meat is killing. Get me think how they define “life”.

Militant vegetarians, vegans, carnivores, whatever are only displaying limited intellect with their overbearing action and diminutizing the causes they are promoting.

[kev1974]

kurokawa said:

hutchst said:

No, they're trying to force their beliefs on other people. With violence if necessary. And we would all agree if only we weren't too stupid to understand.

No offence to any vegans or vegetarians
Those who protested in restaurant are the one I fail to understand. From what I learn they believe eating meat is killing. Get me think how they define “life”.

It is, but if we didn't eat them, those animals would barely exist. If there were no meat industry the only cows and cute little lambs you'd see would be in zoos and maybe small stocks in variants thereof like Royal Parks or children's petting farm type places.

[otolith]

Davos123 said:

ZedLeg said:

It doesn't always follow that vegan people don't like meat. You can be vegan for a multitude of reasons.

Veganism is an ethical position so there's really only one reason to be vegan - that you agree with the underlying philosophy that animals are not property and their exploitation is unethical. There are a multitude of reasons people don't eat meat, though.

Yes, I've noticed a lot of people who don't eat animal products now say that they "eat a plant based diet". They don't want their dietary choices to be associated with veganism.

[anonymous-user]

Most eat mushrooms which are not a plant.

[RTB]

Thesprucegoose said:

Most eat mushrooms which are not a plant.

Ironically fungi are more closely related to animals than plants.

[Halb]

kev1974 said:

At least with vegetarians, most of what they eat only needs to come short distances from the Garden of England, or Europe, and from countries where water is readily available.

veggies diet is that different to vegans?

[Davos123]

RTB said:

Ironically fungi are more closely related to animals than plants.

They are more related to plants in the way which matters for veganism - sentience.

[anonymous-user]

RTB said:

Thesprucegoose said:

Most eat mushrooms which are not a plant.

Ironically fungi are more closely related to animals than plants.

Won't somebody think of the spores?!

[otolith]

Davos123 said:

RTB said:

Ironically fungi are more closely related to animals than plants.

They are more related to plants in the way which matters for veganism - sentience.

The difference in sentience between a plant and a bivalve isn't worth a damn.

[Halb]

otolith said:

The difference in sentience between a plant and a bivalve isn't worth a damn.

I know a mussel that'll take umbrage at that remark

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

The difference in sentience between a plant and a bivalve isn't worth a damn.

fungi aren't bivalves.

[ZedLeg]

Halb said:

kev1974 said:

At least with vegetarians, most of what they eat only needs to come short distances from the Garden of England, or Europe, and from countries where water is readily available.

veggies diet is that different to vegans?

Vegetarians would usually eat dairy and maybe eggs. Vegans try not to use anything that comes from an animal.

[biggbn]

kev1974 said:

kurokawa said:

hutchst said:

No, they're trying to force their beliefs on other people. With violence if necessary. And we would all agree if only we weren't too stupid to understand.

No offence to any vegans or vegetarians
Those who protested in restaurant are the one I fail to understand. From what I learn they believe eating meat is killing. Get me think how they define “life”.

It is, but if we didn't eat them, those animals would barely exist. If there were no meat industry the only cows and cute little lambs you'd see would be in zoos and maybe small stocks in variants thereof like Royal Parks or children's petting farm type places.

No problems here with extinction of cash crop cattle.

[ZedLeg]

kev1974 said:

kurokawa said:

hutchst said:

No, they're trying to force their beliefs on other people. With violence if necessary. And we would all agree if only we weren't too stupid to understand.

No offence to any vegans or vegetarians
Those who protested in restaurant are the one I fail to understand. From what I learn they believe eating meat is killing. Get me think how they define “life”.

It is, but if we didn't eat them, those animals would barely exist. If there were no meat industry the only cows and cute little lambs you'd see would be in zoos and maybe small stocks in variants thereof like Royal Parks or children's petting farm type places.

Much better to keep an unsustainable population of animals that would've never existed in nature then. Even better keep them in confined conditions until the very second they hit a profitable weight then kill them anyway. Why not destroy natural habitat by the thousands of acres to stack them up in as well.

[hutchst]

Extinction Rebellion is starting to make sense now, extinction is fine, even desirable, as long as it's not us.

[Davos123]

otolith said:

The difference in sentience between a plant and a bivalve isn't worth a damn.

and as such, is a topic often subjected to fierce debate amongst vegans

[ZedLeg]

hutchst said:

Extinction Rebellion is starting to make sense now, extinction is fine, even desirable, as long as it's not us.

This population of animals should never have existed in the first place. It's not wiping out a natural environment, it's correcting a man made problem. Most domesticated farm animals still have wild equivalents that would carry on as they always have.

People are quick to jump to human overpopulation as a big problem but no one ever mentions the 10s of billions of animals we breed due to our ever increasing consumption of cheap meat.

[Pvapour]

ZedLeg said:

hutchst said:

Extinction Rebellion is starting to make sense now, extinction is fine, even desirable, as long as it's not us.

This population of animals should never have existed in the first place. It's not wiping out a natural environment, it's correcting a man made problem. Most domesticated farm animals still have wild equivalents that would carry on as they always have.

People are quick to jump to human overpopulation as a big problem but no one ever mentions the 10s of billions of animals we breed due to our ever increasing consumption of cheap meat.

Isnt it in decline in the USA?