UK approves Pfizer jab for use in 12-15-year-olds

[anonymous-user]

unident said:

soofsayer said:

What is the risk to children of catching covid and suffering long term effects?

I have absolutely no idea. Do you?

However, here’s a quote below from one of the anti-vaxxers. It shows that there are around 350,000 children (under 15) who have contracted Covid so far. The ONS data says around 1 in 4.5 are suffering from long Covid. From that I can safely deduce that the answer will be some.

Terminator X said:

For all the frothers see if you can see any dead children in the data:



TX.

I don’t recall the ONS data saying 1 in 4.5 children are suffering long covid.

I haven’t heard of a single child with ‘long covid’ or being ill from covid at all. Maybe all the hundreds of children at my kids’ school are just lucky, or there’s something in the water than makes them all immune?

Do you have children?

[bmwmike]

soofsayer said:

I don’t recall the ONS data saying 1 in 4.5 children are suffering long covid.

I haven’t heard of a single child with ‘long covid’ or being ill from covid at all. Maybe all the hundreds of children at my kids’ school are just lucky, or there’s something in the water than makes them all immune?

Do you have children?

I have direct experience of both. I doubt many of the other kids parents at school know anything at all about it and why should they?

[anonymous-user]

bmwmike said:

soofsayer said:

I don’t recall the ONS data saying 1 in 4.5 children are suffering long covid.

I haven’t heard of a single child with ‘long covid’ or being ill from covid at all. Maybe all the hundreds of children at my kids’ school are just lucky, or there’s something in the water than makes them all immune?

Do you have children?

I have direct experience of both. I doubt many of the other kids parents at school know anything at all about it and why should they?

Direct experience of what?

And yes, we would likely hear about it, any absenteeism due to positive testing is widely communicated, and none of those kids or year groups have had any children off sick due to covid or ‘long covid’.

[unident]

soofsayer said:

I don’t recall the ONS data saying 1 in 4.5 children are suffering long covid.

I haven’t heard of a single child with ‘long covid’ or being ill from covid at all. Maybe all the hundreds of children at my kids’ school are just lucky, or there’s something in the water than makes them all immune?

Do you have children?

I don’t recall I said 1 in 4.5 children are suffering from long Covid either. If I had then I could easily calculate numbers from 350,000, rather than stating “some”.

I haven’t heard of dying from a drug overdose, or in an earthquake or from a scorpion sting, or a polar bear attack in my social circle either. Guess they don’t happen following your logic.

Do you have a seat on SAGE, or the JCVI? Seems to be the argument about whether I’ve got kids or not.

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

soofsayer said:

Direct experience of what?

And yes, we would likely hear about it, any absenteeism due to positive testing is widely communicated, and none of those kids or year groups have had any children off sick due to covid or ‘long covid’.

I wouldn’t be surprised to find that “long covid” is simply a mix of usual viral fatigue plus mental/physical issues from the government restrictions preventing usual exercise and socialising.

[bmwmike]

soofsayer said:

Direct experience of what?

A child getting ill with covid, and post covid symptoms now labelled "long covid" by GP. They are currently under private care.

soofsayer said:

And yes, we would likely hear about it, any absenteeism due to positive testing is widely communicated, and none of those kids or year groups have had any children off sick due to covid or ‘long covid’.

Positive tests (requiring other kids in that class to isolate) were communicated at my kids school. None in my kids immediate classes, thankfully, during term times. Ongoing symptoms are nobody else's business no matter how much they might like to know.

Edited by bmwmike on Monday 7th June 14:16

[Terminator X]

unident said:

Terminator X said:

Where is your evidence of this for either kids or adults + how many people does it effect - just one, ten, 100, 1000 etc? Or is just one person on the telly said they had "long covid" and we must of course ensure zero long covid?

If it is a "small amount" as I suspect then why must everything Covid related be zero vs other things that we quite happily let carry on eg 30k flu / pneumonia deaths every year in the UK etc.

TX.

Evidence? How about the ONS. Around 1million say they’ve suffered, or are still suffering and of those 376,000 have suffered for over a year. Kind of drives a bus through your assumption that it’s a small number when it’s more than 1 in 5 of those who have contracted Covid in the U.K. Keep on denying though and calling those of us who don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theories as frothers”.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

You sound like a frother to me, have I mentioned a conspiracy theory? You'll be calling people with their own opinion deniers next

So this is long Covid then from your link:

"Fatigue was the most common symptom reported as part of individuals' experience of long COVID (547,000 people), followed by shortness of breath (405,000), muscle ache (313,000), and difficulty concentrating (285,000)."

Hardly "debilitating" + the link is an estimate not actual data as the deaths graph is. Oh and your link seems to be people "self reporting" long Covid so hardly scientific either:

"Around one million people in the UK were experiencing self-reported long COVID at the beginning of May"

Oh and also from the link:

"These results should be interpreted with caution, because it is not known how many people would have experienced these symptoms even if they had not been infected with coronavirus."

TX.

Edit - I see from another of your posts that you are actually one of the name callers "anti-vaxxers" indeed

[Terminator X]

unident said:

soofsayer said:

What is the risk to children of catching covid and suffering long term effects?

I have absolutely no idea. Do you?

However, here’s a quote below from one of the anti-vaxxers. It shows that there are around 350,000 children (under 15) who have contracted Covid so far. The ONS data says around 1 in 4.5 are suffering from long Covid. From that I can safely deduce that the answer will be some.

Terminator X said:

For all the frothers see if you can see any dead children in the data:



TX.

"I don’t recall I said 1 in 4.5 children are suffering from long Covid either"

Eh you said it in this quoted post!

TX.

[anonymous-user]

unident said:

soofsayer said:

I don’t recall the ONS data saying 1 in 4.5 children are suffering long covid.

I haven’t heard of a single child with ‘long covid’ or being ill from covid at all. Maybe all the hundreds of children at my kids’ school are just lucky, or there’s something in the water than makes them all immune?

Do you have children?

I don’t recall I said 1 in 4.5 children are suffering from long Covid either. If I had then I could easily calculate numbers from 350,000, rather than stating “some”.

I haven’t heard of dying from a drug overdose, or in an earthquake or from a scorpion sting, or a polar bear attack in my social circle either. Guess they don’t happen following your logic.

Do you have a seat on SAGE, or the JCVI? Seems to be the argument about whether I’ve got kids or not.

Clearly you dont have children based on your heavily defensive and unnecessarily weird comments. Maybe touched a nerve, sorry about that.

[anonymous-user]

bmwmike said:

soofsayer said:

Direct experience of what?

A child getting ill with covid, and post covid symptoms now labelled "long covid" by GP. They are currently under private care.

soofsayer said:

And yes, we would likely hear about it, any absenteeism due to positive testing is widely communicated, and none of those kids or year groups have had any children off sick due to covid or ‘long covid’.

Positive tests (requiring other kids in that class to isolate) were communicated at my kids school. None in my kids immediate classes, thankfully, during term times. Ongoing symptoms are nobody else's business no matter how much they might like to know.

Edited by bmwmike on Monday 7th June 14:16

Sorry to hear that mike, that’s the first one I have ever heard of.

Kids talk, spread rumour, if a kid at school was sick with covid or long term damaged it would likely have got round, just how it is and how it always has been. Maybe there is a kid at school that nobody knows who has been off with covid, but I doubt it. I’m not saying it cant happen I was asking ‘critical thinking unibot’ what the stats were to demonstrate the problem.

[unident]

Terminator X said:

unident said:

soofsayer said:

What is the risk to children of catching covid and suffering long term effects?

I have absolutely no idea. Do you?

However, here’s a quote below from one of the anti-vaxxers. It shows that there are around 350,000 children (under 15) who have contracted Covid so far. The ONS data says around 1 in 4.5 are suffering from long Covid. From that I can safely deduce that the answer will be some.

Terminator X said:

For all the frothers see if you can see any dead children in the data:



TX.

"I don’t recall I said 1 in 4.5 children are suffering from long Covid either"

Eh you said it in this quoted post!

TX.

Read it again and then feel free to highlight where I said it about children. I referenced children in the 350,000. I did not reference children in the 1 in 4.5. If I had then even I can work out that the number would be 77,777 and I would have written that not “some”. You’re reading what you want to I to what I’ve written to make a point that’s incorrect.

[unident]

soofsayer said:

unident said:

soofsayer said:

I don’t recall the ONS data saying 1 in 4.5 children are suffering long covid.

I haven’t heard of a single child with ‘long covid’ or being ill from covid at all. Maybe all the hundreds of children at my kids’ school are just lucky, or there’s something in the water than makes them all immune?

Do you have children?

I don’t recall I said 1 in 4.5 children are suffering from long Covid either. If I had then I could easily calculate numbers from 350,000, rather than stating “some”.

I haven’t heard of dying from a drug overdose, or in an earthquake or from a scorpion sting, or a polar bear attack in my social circle either. Guess they don’t happen following your logic.

Do you have a seat on SAGE, or the JCVI? Seems to be the argument about whether I’ve got kids or not.

Clearly you dont have children based on your heavily defensive and unnecessarily weird comments. Maybe touched a nerve, sorry about that.

I have three children.

Clearly you aren’t a member of SAGE or the JCVI due to your completely failure to attempt to answer that question. Maybe touched a nerve, sorry about that.

[unident]

Terminator X said:

unident said:

Terminator X said:

Where is your evidence of this for either kids or adults + how many people does it effect - just one, ten, 100, 1000 etc? Or is just one person on the telly said they had "long covid" and we must of course ensure zero long covid?

If it is a "small amount" as I suspect then why must everything Covid related be zero vs other things that we quite happily let carry on eg 30k flu / pneumonia deaths every year in the UK etc.

TX.

Evidence? How about the ONS. Around 1million say they’ve suffered, or are still suffering and of those 376,000 have suffered for over a year. Kind of drives a bus through your assumption that it’s a small number when it’s more than 1 in 5 of those who have contracted Covid in the U.K. Keep on denying though and calling those of us who don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theories as frothers”.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

You sound like a frother to me, have I mentioned a conspiracy theory? You'll be calling people with their own opinion deniers next

So this is long Covid then from your link:

"Fatigue was the most common symptom reported as part of individuals' experience of long COVID (547,000 people), followed by shortness of breath (405,000), muscle ache (313,000), and difficulty concentrating (285,000)."

Hardly "debilitating" + the link is an estimate not actual data as the deaths graph is. Oh and your link seems to be people "self reporting" long Covid so hardly scientific either:

"Around one million people in the UK were experiencing self-reported long COVID at the beginning of May"

Oh and also from the link:

"These results should be interpreted with caution, because it is not known how many people would have experienced these symptoms even if they had not been infected with coronavirus."

TX.

Edit - I see from another of your posts that you are actually one of the name callers "anti-vaxxers" indeed

Someone wanted evidence. I provided evidence. Now you want to deny the evidence. Oh look a denier.

[bmwmike]

soofsayer said:

Sorry to hear that mike, that’s the first one I have ever heard of.

Kids talk, spread rumour, if a kid at school was sick with covid or long term damaged it would likely have got round, just how it is and how it always has been. Maybe there is a kid at school that nobody knows who has been off with covid, but I doubt it. I’m not saying it cant happen I was asking ‘critical thinking unibot’ what the stats were to demonstrate the problem.

Thanks. Yes good point, kids do talk. I was thinking more along the lines of official comms from the school itself though, which i wouldn't expect. Not the only case i'm aware of either. I suspect it'll become more common info once the gov need to push the agenda after adults are all vaccinated.

[anonymous-user]

unident said:

I have three children.

Clearly you aren’t a member of SAGE or the JCVI due to your completely failure to attempt to answer that question. Maybe touched a nerve, sorry about that.

I find that hard to believe. You gonna get them jabbed up asap?

Never claimed I was a member of sage or the jcvi, you are a strange one.

[Mr Whippy]

I don’t get the issue.

Have it if you want it. Don’t if you don’t.

This is Brexit all over again. Just respect everyone is different.

[unident]

soofsayer said:

unident said:

I have three children.

Clearly you aren’t a member of SAGE or the JCVI due to your completely failure to attempt to answer that question. Maybe touched a nerve, sorry about that.

I find that hard to believe. You gonna get them jabbed up asap?

Never claimed I was a member of sage or the jcvi, you are a strange one.

I didn’t claim to have children initially but it seems like you believe you have to have them to have an opinion. I’ve randomly decided that unless you’re a members of one of those groups then you can’t have an opinion.

I find it hard to believe that you have kids too, if you want to carry on with the insults.

The kids are pre-teen. One is on the cusp though and she definitely wants it, as she wants to travel. I’m sure you’ll accuse me of brainwashing her or something now. She lives with her mum back in Ireland and I haven’t seen her in a long time as a result.

[Terminator X]

unident said:

Terminator X said:

unident said:

Terminator X said:

Where is your evidence of this for either kids or adults + how many people does it effect - just one, ten, 100, 1000 etc? Or is just one person on the telly said they had "long covid" and we must of course ensure zero long covid?

If it is a "small amount" as I suspect then why must everything Covid related be zero vs other things that we quite happily let carry on eg 30k flu / pneumonia deaths every year in the UK etc.

TX.

Evidence? How about the ONS. Around 1million say they’ve suffered, or are still suffering and of those 376,000 have suffered for over a year. Kind of drives a bus through your assumption that it’s a small number when it’s more than 1 in 5 of those who have contracted Covid in the U.K. Keep on denying though and calling those of us who don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theories as frothers”.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

You sound like a frother to me, have I mentioned a conspiracy theory? You'll be calling people with their own opinion deniers next

So this is long Covid then from your link:

"Fatigue was the most common symptom reported as part of individuals' experience of long COVID (547,000 people), followed by shortness of breath (405,000), muscle ache (313,000), and difficulty concentrating (285,000)."

Hardly "debilitating" + the link is an estimate not actual data as the deaths graph is. Oh and your link seems to be people "self reporting" long Covid so hardly scientific either:

"Around one million people in the UK were experiencing self-reported long COVID at the beginning of May"

Oh and also from the link:

"These results should be interpreted with caution, because it is not known how many people would have experienced these symptoms even if they had not been infected with coronavirus."

TX.

Edit - I see from another of your posts that you are actually one of the name callers "anti-vaxxers" indeed

Someone wanted evidence. I provided evidence. Now you want to deny the evidence. Oh look a denier.

Lol I just quoted your linked article, that is exactly what it says

"estimate not actual data"

"self reporting long Covid"

"These results should be interpreted with caution"

Facts from your article but yeah denier

TX.

Edited by Terminator X on Monday 7th June 17:46

[Terminator X]

unident said:

Read it again and then feel free to highlight where I said it about children. I referenced children in the 350,000. I did not reference children in the 1 in 4.5. If I had then even I can work out that the number would be 77,777 and I would have written that not “some”. You’re reading what you want to I to what I’ve written to make a point that’s incorrect.

This is what you said:

"It shows that there are around 350,000 children (under 15) who have contracted Covid so far. The ONS data says around 1 in 4.5 are suffering from long Covid. From that I can safely deduce that the answer will be some."

Pretty easy to read that as kids with long Covid.

Still let's just say I got it wrong, how do you deduce the answer as "some" then if your own article doesn't say?

TX.

[unident]

Terminator X said:

This is what you said:

"It shows that there are around 350,000 children (under 15) who have contracted Covid so far. The ONS data says around 1 in 4.5 are suffering from long Covid. From that I can safely deduce that the answer will be some."

Pretty easy to read that as kids with long Covid.

Still let's just say I got it wrong, how do you deduce the answer as "some" then if your own article doesn't say?

TX.

I know exactly what I said and I’ve explained it fully. Children are mentioned in the 350k number. They are not mentioned in the 1 in 4.5 number. You can quote it til you’re blue in the face but it won’t alter what was written.