UK asylum seekers expected to be flown to Rwanda

[croyde]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Chrishum said:

This is a stupid idea.

Surely if migrants are travelling to the UK we should process them in the UK at a far lower cost. As for the fears of the UK being full etc surely those worried about losing their jobs can just migrate elsewhere to find one?

If I am reading this right, you are saying that UK citizens should migrate elsewhere to allow illegal immigrants to be employed in the UK?

Are you the boss of P&O by any chance?

I wish I could migrate elsewhere except it's pretty difficult what with Brexit. Hoops and alsorts to jump through. My age stops me from getting the points for New Zealand or Australia, not that I'd fancy it.

Poorer than the UK countries might accept me but I'd rather be in Europe.

I'm going to wander down to Folkestone and borrow one of those rubber dinghies and head for France.

Seems to be successful for the hordes that come here.

On the news it is said that 9 out of ten illegal migrants are men, 7 are single men. Economic migrants.

So why can't they apply and be possibly turned down just like in my attempts to leave this country?

In the case of Ukraine, it's women and children. The men, up to the age of 60, have to stay and fight.

If my country was overrun by an invader, I'd stay and fight, not run away to another country.

I too don't know what the answer is, much like our shower of a government.

I can't even move to Guernsey and I thought they were in the UK.

[pequod]

Condi said:

Is this bit legal?

"Under the new system all adults who arrive illegally in the UK will be assessed, and if they are deemed an economic migrant rather than a refugee fleeing a dangerous homeland, they will be taken to a detention centre in north Yorkshire. They will then be given five days notice that they are to be flown to Rwanda.

Once in Rwanda they will no longer be under the UK's jurisdiction and subject to that country's refugee rules, with no legal right to return to Britain."

You can't just send someone to a country in Africa and suddenly it becomes their problem.

The whole plan has more holes than a Swiss cheese, and I doubt will make it past the UK legal system, let alone make any difference to people arriving. This isn't "offshore processing" this is forced deportation to a 3rd country, with seemingly no right of appeal and no guarantee of human rights when they arrive there. If it ever happens, which I doubt, the first time someone is mugged, raped or murdered will be the last time anyone is sent there.

Where did you obtain that quote from? Is that from the, as yet, unpublished Government statement or a speculative comment from the MSM?

[anonymous-user]

croyde said:

If my country was overrun by an invader, I'd stay and fight, not run away to another country.

What if it was a bit less straightforward than that, say your own government turning against people like you? There’s not a whole lot of fighting you can do in that situation.

[HRL]

It was actually me that dropped this in the suggestion box at No.10 but I wrote Timbuktu, didn’t think it had legs TBH.

Guess Boris is an Arsenal fan.

[JeffreyD]

MrMan001 said:

croyde said:

If my country was overrun by an invader, I'd stay and fight, not run away to another country.

What if it was a bit less straightforward than that, say your own government turning against people like you? There’s not a whole lot of fighting you can do in that situation.

That whole area is totally fked.
Who exactly are you fighting for?
The governments are oppressive criminals, then you have ISIS or some other nutter.

If I was Syrian, which standing army would I join?

[croyde]

JeffreyD said:

MrMan001 said:

croyde said:

If my country was overrun by an invader, I'd stay and fight, not run away to another country.

What if it was a bit less straightforward than that, say your own government turning against people like you? There’s not a whole lot of fighting you can do in that situation.

That whole area is totally fked.
Who exactly are you fighting for?
The governments are oppressive criminals, then you have ISIS or some other nutter.

If I was Syrian, which standing army would I join?

Ok, good point, you got me there.

I read 2000ad the comic as a kid and Britain was invaded by the Volgans, yeah the Russians, and the main resistance was led by a lorry driver.

[rjfp1962]

HRL said:

Guess Boris is an Arsenal fan.

Well he is an ars

[Mr_Megalomaniac]

I think this is a good idea. Similarly how Australia has managed to take more effective control over their borders.

[Mr_Megalomaniac]

Pit Pony said:

I don't know what to say.

Why are we treating people so badly ?

How is it treating people badly? Nothing wrong with Rwanda.

[Vasco]

Mr_Megalomaniac said:

Pit Pony said:

I don't know what to say.

Why are we treating people so badly ?

How is it treating people badly? Nothing wrong with Rwanda.

They'd only whinge about the UK weather, cold, damp etc anyway. Let alone the increasing energy bills.

Instead, they can stay warm and dry, without excessive fuel bills.

We're doing them a number of favours...

[valiant]

Mr_Megalomaniac said:

I think this is a good idea. Similarly how Australia has managed to take more effective control over their borders.

Hasn’t the number of illegals in Australia increased over the last few years?

[rdjohn]

Bo_apex said:

SmoothCriminal said:

What's so dangerous in France that they can't stay there? Oh yes I imagine the French don't put them up in hotels and pay for domino's pizza.

And the blatant racism that prevails in France

I feel very sad that it has come to this, but something needed to be done to break the impasse.

I live in a French town that voted overwhelmingly for Le Pen last Sunday. It is a military town and there are lots of black squaddies, but i have never seen a black officer. In the 17-years that I have lived here, I have seen less than 10-black people with salaried jobs. 2 were emptying cess pits, 2 were window cleaners. We used to have a Boulanger and a Gendarme from Guadeloupe who are French, there was also a guy in the sub-prefecture and a junior manager in Intermarche, but they are all long-gone.

The UK is paying more than £1million per week for the French Police to stop the small boats crossing. All they have to do is slash the floatation collar, yet we have seen BBC footage of Gendarmes sitting in their cars watching launches. Making a concerted effort to track down the trafficers is needed. Again the BBC seem able to do it, at will.

I understand why Macron dislikes Boris, but he is equally culpable for allowing the crossings to continue. Crying fake tears when the 32-drowned last year shows where he really stands.” Its the UKs fault for not having ID cards.”

Slagging off the Astra Zeneca vaccine last year probably resulted in tens of thousands of deaths in Africa as that was the only affordable offering, but being largely rejected in Europe meant it was also rejected in Africa.

[Mr_Megalomaniac]

valiant said:

Hasn’t the number of illegals in Australia increased over the last few years?

Gross number will always increase but the proportion and rate has dropped significantly. The offshore centres work very well from what I read.

Vasco said:

They'd only whinge about the UK weather, cold, damp etc anyway. Let alone the increasing energy bills.
Instead, they can stay warm and dry, without excessive fuel bills.
We're doing them a number of favours...

Rwanda is a stable country and to your point, much lower cost of living and putting them up there. If they're genuine refugees then it's a safe environment, and if they're chancers I don't see an argument to be made. So, yeah, fully agreed with you. I think would make sense to add the already processed ones in temporary accomodation there too.

[JeffreyD]

croyde said:

Ok, good point, you got me there.

I read 2000ad the comic as a kid and Britain was invaded by the Volgans, yeah the Russians, and the main resistance was led by a lorry driver.

I wasn't really trying to "get you", it's just something that came up in conversation a while ago that made me think again

In the obvious right v wrong circumstances of the current situation in Ukraine, if I was Ukrainian I'd be there and I'm a coward.

Not sure I'd be fighting for Assad.

Edited by JeffreyD on Thursday 14th April 20:14

[croyde]

Vasco said:

Mr_Megalomaniac said:

Pit Pony said:

I don't know what to say.

Why are we treating people so badly ?

How is it treating people badly? Nothing wrong with Rwanda.

They'd only whinge about the UK weather, cold, damp etc anyway. Let alone the increasing energy bills.

Instead, they can stay warm and dry, without excessive fuel bills.

We're doing them a number of favours...

Maybe we could all go and live in Rwanda and leave this cold grey expensive country to the migrants

[poo at Paul's]

biggbn said:

What's Rwandan for squirrel?

McDonalds

!!

[Condi]

rdjohn said:

I understand why Macron dislikes Boris, but he is equally culpable for allowing the crossings to continue. Crying fake tears when the 32-drowned last year shows where he really stands.” Its the UKs fault for not having ID cards.”

France take in more asylum seekers than the UK does anyway, why should it be their job to stop people coming here? They prevent about 50% of crossings as it is now.

People on here are very naïve about how many people Europe take in, this is not a "UK problem", nor should we pretend that people are "desperate to come to the UK" any more than they are to go to France, Germany, Sweden etc.

[rambo19]

Iv'e looked into my crystal ball..........
Various ministers in Rwanda will become very rich.
Newspapers will be full of stories about terrible conditions for the migrants.
The scheme will be scrapped, but we will still pay Rwanda because of contracts.

[Mrr T]

Condi said:

Is this bit legal?

"Under the new system all adults who arrive illegally in the UK will be assessed, and if they are deemed an economic migrant rather than a refugee fleeing a dangerous homeland, they will be taken to a detention centre in north Yorkshire. They will then be given five days notice that they are to be flown to Rwanda.

Once in Rwanda they will no longer be under the UK's jurisdiction and subject to that country's refugee rules, with no legal right to return to Britain."

You can't just send someone to a country in Africa and suddenly it becomes their problem.

The whole plan has more holes than a Swiss cheese, and I doubt will make it past the UK legal system, let alone make any difference to people arriving. This isn't "offshore processing" this is forced deportation to a 3rd country, with seemingly no right of appeal and no guarantee of human rights when they arrive there. If it ever happens, which I doubt, the first time someone is mugged, raped or murdered will be the last time anyone is sent there.

As I have said several times if this is the plan it will last 10 minutes in a UK court. But what we do know is it not expected to succeed just a cover for BJ and many FPN.

[Ivan stewart]

Vasco said:

They'd only whinge about the UK weather, cold, damp etc anyway. Let alone the increasing energy bills.

Instead, they can stay warm and dry, without excessive fuel bills.

We're doing them a number of favours...

Maybe we are looking at the wrong end of the telescope !how about we leave Boris and the migrants here and the rest of us go to Rwanda !!