George Galloway back in Parliment

[M4cruiser]

I thought Rishi's speech was a joke, sour grapes, he's a bad loser.
If you want to win then field a candidate that's better than Galloway, and with sensible policies that the public will buy in to.

[LordLoveLength]

A lot of folk seem to be confusing rabble rousing for oration.
His performance at the US senate should be compared to a stopped clock.
Here’s the standard of his usual output - although, admittedly, with confident delivery

[Wombat3]

Countdown said:

Wombat3 said:

reddiesel said:

I don't think that's any different from Labour or the Conservatives playing support cards by selecting Muslim Candidates for Constituencies with high Muslim populations .The fact is that this idea Multi Culturalism we have been sold for decades is a complete nonsense . Instead it a Society of different Cultures that in the main neither assimilate nor integrate and this Candidate selection proves it. Jack Straw is on record as saying it would be impossible for him to now win his old Parliamentary Seat . Galloway is free to chose whatever side he wants as a British Politician in the same way that we have seen members of the British Public freely state that they won't be conscripted. This is now a changed Country and to my mind its changed by two main causes . Immigration and an increasing disenfranchised Electorate .

You could get burned at the stake for that these days, but you are absolutely right.

I think that’s rubbish quite frankly. We’ve got a Hindu PM, we’ve had Muslim ministers of State, a Muslim Mayor of London. Comparing schools and workplaces now compared to where they were 20/30 years ago shows you how much assimilation has happened.

That’s not to say that a small minority hate the fact that immigration happened and really need to pretend there are some fundamental cultural problems but it doesn’t make it true.

To some degree you are also correct but we also still have significant numbers of immigrants that do not integrate simply because they did not come here for that and so they make little effort to do so. As he said, a society of different cultures, and when you have that some friction is inevitable - especially when some then seek to change the indigenous culture.

By way of example, there are Muslim community and religious leaders actively advocating for the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law into the UK. Its unlikely to happen but the fact that they think that's a reasonable thing to do in an adopted country demonstrates as above. They did not come to live in Britain to adopt the existing culture.

If I went to live anywhere else in the world, the last thing I would seek to do (or want to do) would be to try & change it. That would seem (to me) to defeat the point of being there. I also think it'd be bloody rude!

[hidetheelephants]

Wombat3 said:

By way of example, there are Muslim community and religious leaders actively advocating for the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law into the UK. Its unlikely to happen but the fact that they think that's a reasonable thing to do in an adopted country demonstrates as above. They did not come to live in Britain to adopt the existing culture.

There are people who advocate vociferously for Freeman on the land wibble and for the Ministry of Defence to actively look for UFOs; that's as likely to get support in parliament. People lobby for all sorts of wackadoodle nonsense.

[CT05 Nose Cone]

hidetheelephants said:

Wombat3 said:

By way of example, there are Muslim community and religious leaders actively advocating for the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law into the UK. Its unlikely to happen but the fact that they think that's a reasonable thing to do in an adopted country demonstrates as above. They did not come to live in Britain to adopt the existing culture.

There are people who advocate vociferously for Freeman on the land wibble and for the Ministry of Defence to actively look for UFOs; that's as likely to get support in parliament. People lobby for all sorts of wackadoodle nonsense.

Difference is though that the people who believe the government are hiding UFOs aren't calling for acts of violence against those who don't.

[smifffymoto]

Countdown said:

Wombat3 said:

reddiesel said:

I don't think that's any different from Labour or the Conservatives playing support cards by selecting Muslim Candidates for Constituencies with high Muslim populations .The fact is that this idea Multi Culturalism we have been sold for decades is a complete nonsense . Instead it a Society of different Cultures that in the main neither assimilate nor integrate and this Candidate selection proves it. Jack Straw is on record as saying it would be impossible for him to now win his old Parliamentary Seat . Galloway is free to chose whatever side he wants as a British Politician in the same way that we have seen members of the British Public freely state that they won't be conscripted. This is now a changed Country and to my mind its changed by two main causes . Immigration and an increasing disenfranchised Electorate .

You could get burned at the stake for that these days, but you are absolutely right.

I think that’s rubbish quite frankly. We’ve got a Hindu PM, we’ve had Muslim ministers of State, a Muslim Mayor of London. Comparing schools and workplaces now compared to where they were 20/30 years ago shows you how much assimilation has happened.

That’s not to say that a small minority hate the fact that immigration happened and really need to pretend there are some fundamental cultural problems but it doesn’t make it true.

I like to think there has been assimilation but go to areas of Bradford,Oldham or Blackburn/Burnley and you will see a very different picture.

[Blackpuddin]

shed driver said:

julian987R said:

He is a pound land Tony Benn

Tony Benn was one of those politicians we should be striving for. A strong sense of service, he enlisted in the home guard as a 16 year old, then at 18 joined the RAF.

Like or loath his political views he gave a lifetime of public service. Not something George Galloway will ever be guilty of.

SD.

TB's diaries tell the story of an incredibly hard working and principled man.

[unrepentant]

julian987R said:

He is a pound land Tony Benn

Eh? That has to be one of the sillier comments on here. Galloway is nothing like Tony Benn.

[Seasonal Hero]

I suspect he meant Enoch Powell.

[lornemalvo]

reddiesel said:

lornemalvo said:

The worst thing about George Galloway is that, in addition to being an anti Semite, he is Putin's lickspittle. He still calls the invasion of Ukraine a "special military operation", and sympathises completely with Russia's war against the "Nazis" of Ukraine (his words). He seems to miss the irony that he seems to hate Nazis and Israelis with equal intensity. He even thinks Russia won WW2 with almost no help from GB and the USA, forgetting that GB and USA took back most of Europe and that many lives and ships were lost supplying Russia via the Arctic Convoys. He should just move to Russia.

I don't think its being Anti Semitic for disagreeing with the actions of the State of Israel ? I am far from a defender of George Galloway but there is an important difference .

It's true that Galloway is careful not to conflate Jewish people with the Israeli government, but he supports Hamas, including reportedly giving them £25000. Hamas do not attach the Israeli government, as a rule, they attack Jewish people.

[ukwill]

lornemalvo said:

It's true that Galloway is careful not to conflate Jewish people with the Israeli government, but he supports Hamas, including reportedly giving them £25000. Hamas do not attach the Israeli government, as a rule, they attack Jewish people.

He’s not always careful. He was fired by TalkRadio not so long ago.

[unrepentant]

It would be hilarious if Sunak called an election on Monday and denied Gorgeous George the opportunity to take his seat.

[Electro1980]

CT05 Nose Cone said:

hidetheelephants said:

Wombat3 said:

By way of example, there are Muslim community and religious leaders actively advocating for the adoption of some aspects of Sharia law into the UK. Its unlikely to happen but the fact that they think that's a reasonable thing to do in an adopted country demonstrates as above. They did not come to live in Britain to adopt the existing culture.

There are people who advocate vociferously for Freeman on the land wibble and for the Ministry of Defence to actively look for UFOs; that's as likely to get support in parliament. People lobby for all sorts of wackadoodle nonsense.

Difference is though that the people who believe the government are hiding UFOs aren't calling for acts of violence against those who don't.

Except they are. Maybe not UFOs, but there are conspiracy nuts making threats and calling for violence. Not in the UK (well, it is, but the violence wasn’t), but Q-anon are exactly that.

[anonymoususer]

Who is the ginger chap holding hands with the catman

[reddiesel]

lornemalvo said:

It's true that Galloway is careful not to conflate Jewish people with the Israeli government, but he supports Hamas, including reportedly giving them £25000. Hamas do not attach the Israeli government, as a rule, they attack Jewish people.

What do you mean he is careful ? You come on here making a Statement that Galloway is Anti Semitic and fail to back it up . There isn't any carefuls about it chap , Galloway isn't anti semitic , he is simply anti the actions of the State of Israel which many of my Jewish friends are too . There is a difference.
That's the trouble with People that think like you do , they are always quick to throw insult and smears against others who have a different opinion to themselves and social media allows this sort of often vile rubbish to gain traction with similar idiots and charlatans .
This prescribing of Hamas as a Terrorist Group is another device invented by Western Governments mainly to deprive Hamas and similar Organisations of the necessary finance with which to operate . I suppose the real question is whether you can support a cause without being complicit in some of the results of that cause and its my belief you can . The British Government for example currently support the Ukrainian Cause . If Ukraine kill 200 Russian Civilians tomorrow morning in a missile attack it won't make Rishi Sunak responsible for their deaths and likewise George Galloway with the actions of Hamas .

Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 3rd March 05:54

[Rufus Stone]

Good luck to him. Democracy in action. He won the election. And it's pissed off Sunak to boot.

[reddiesel]

Countdown said:

I think that’s rubbish quite frankly. We’ve got a Hindu PM, we’ve had Muslim ministers of State, a Muslim Mayor of London. Comparing schools and workplaces now compared to where they were 20/30 years ago shows you how much assimilation has happened.

That’s not to say that a small minority hate the fact that immigration happened and really need to pretend there are some fundamental cultural problems but it doesn’t make it true.

We have the main Political Parties adopting only Muslim Candidates to fight mainly Muslim Constituencies and you see that as a triumph for multi culturalism as assimilation has clearly happened ?? You are talking utter nonsense . Surely the real triumph of assimilation would be if the main Parties could select a Homosexual to fight Bradford which of course would never happen .
The ethnic Vote is simply being pandered to in order to attempt and keep them onside . We don't have to pretend there are some fundamental cultural problems because there are plenty of examples and of course some successes .

Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 3rd March 06:29

[Electro1980]

reddiesel said:

We have the main Political Parties adopting only Muslim Candidates to fight mainly Muslim Constituencies and you see that as a triumph for multi culturalism as assimilation has clearly happened ?? You are talking utter nonsense . Surely the real triumph of assimilation would be if the main Parties could select a Homosexual to fight Bradford which of course would never happen .
The ethnic Vote is simply being pandered to in order to attempt and keep them onside . We don't have to pretend there are some fundamental cultural problems because there are plenty of examples and of course some successes .

Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 3rd March 06:29

Your complaint is that people often vote for representatives that are like them? That’s not pandering, that’s representative democracy. Do you have the same issue with rural areas being represented by middle class white people? You’re trying to dress up racism as a legitimate concern about representation and failing. Especially ridiculous when the area we are talking about just voted for a white Christian man.

[Countdown]

reddiesel said:

We have the main Political Parties adopting only Muslim Candidates to fight mainly Muslim Constituencies and you see that as a triumph for multi culturalism as assimilation has clearly happened ?? You are talking utter nonsense . Surely the real triumph of assimilation would be if the main Parties could select a Homosexual to fight Bradford which of course would never happen .
The ethnic Vote is simply being pandered to in order to attempt and keep them onside . We don't have to pretend there are some fundamental cultural problems because there are plenty of examples and of course some successes .

Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 3rd March 06:29

There are Muslim candidates in constituencies which don’t have significant Muslim voters and vice versa. Gerald Kaufman represented Longsight in Manchester for years. George Galloway has just beaten a Muslim candidate in Rochdale. Bradford had a Sikh MP until he died. Muslims like any other demographic will vote for the candidate they think best represents what they want not just because they happen to be “Muslim “

[Baroque attacks]

reddiesel said:

We have the main Political Parties adopting only Muslim Candidates to fight mainly Muslim Constituencies and you see that as a triumph for multi culturalism as assimilation has clearly happened ??

Candidates who are representative of their constituency. Madness.