UK smoking ban for those born after 2009
Discussion
carlo996 said:
Ex smoker, hate smoking generally. But it’s a total mess, you can fight and die for your country, make any adult choice, drink yourself into oblivion. But no cigarettes. The world has gone mad.
Exactly this but as you say later on, the hypocrites will be moaning like hell when at some point in the future something they like doing gets banned.Maybe we should ban McDonalds and other foods that are proven to be bad for us - have a ration card to take to the supermarket so that your purchases are limited - maybe that is what digital ID is for?
I think it will be a difficult policy to police and opens up a proper black market
S600BSB said:
Fortunately he won’t be able to afford to! £15 a packet..
Do you have any grip on supply and demand? A few years ago we sat our 13 year old daughter down and just told her the dangers of drugs etc, etc. We knew, she was well ahead of us, but it needs to be discussed. It’s quite sobering to be told that any 13 year old can access any drug of choice via social media and have it delivered within (a few minutes). So yes. Well done you, and Rishi for driving yet another drug underground. Luckily the MP’s bar will still be subsidised eh?
Murph7355 said:
More supportive than not of the objective.
Stupid implementation that will be a ball ache to implement and police, and hence will take an age to be effective.
Just ban it if the health benefits are believed to be conclusively bad (which they are).
Sometimes Murph it's that old thing of not letting perfect be the enemy of good.Stupid implementation that will be a ball ache to implement and police, and hence will take an age to be effective.
Just ban it if the health benefits are believed to be conclusively bad (which they are).
I'm sure someone will be along with the tale of their 97 year old granny who's smoked 40 a day since she was 3 and is fit as a fiddle but there is absolutely no upside to smoking.
None.
It's all downside.
If people think it's an issue of freedom I kind of get it but but on this one I just can't bring myself to care too much to be honest.
bodhi said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Voted through.
Sensible legislation. For the nation that invented the concept of public health this is a good step forward. Well done Rishi. Just another thought. If the NHS expires then we will all have to pay health insurance. Imagine the loading we will see if you are a life long smoker. You’ll deffo be paying directly then.
Just by the by, I was reading an interesting paper earlier today that discusses the effect of fructose on biological pathways associated with obesity and type 2 diabetes, which adds some weight to the argument that high fructose corn syrup has had a big part to play in those diseases. HFCS is a cheap form of sweetener that is found in all sorts of highly processed foods, intended to be hyper pallitable.
Just by the by, I was reading an interesting paper earlier today that discusses the effect of fructose on biological pathways associated with obesity and type 2 diabetes, which adds some weight to the argument that high fructose corn syrup has had a big part to play in those diseases. HFCS is a cheap form of sweetener that is found in all sorts of highly processed foods, intended to be hyper pallitable.
bodhi said:
For the nation that wrote the Magna Carta and invented the concept of personal liberty it's a disaster
However, if you check out the names of the barons who actually forced King John to sign the Magna Carta ...Eustace de Vesci
Robert de Ros
Richard de Percy
William de Mowbray
Roger de Montbegon
John FitzRobert
William de Forz
John de Lacy
Saer de Quincy, Earl of Winchester
Richard de Montfichet
William de Huntingfield
Roger Bigod and Hugh Bigod
Robert de Vere
Geoffrey de Mandeville
Hugh de Forquinell
Henry de Bohun
Richard de Clare and Gilbert de Clare
William D'Albini
Robert Fitzwalter
Warwick Huntiwas
William Hardel
William de Lanvallei
William Malet
William Marshall II
Geoffrey de Say
...they mostly sound a bit French to me, and absolutely *none* of them smoked, and wouldn't have been able to for another 300 years.
Astacus said:
Just another thought. If the NHS expires then we will all have to pay health insurance. Imagine the loading we will see if you are a life long smoker. You’ll deffo be paying directly then.
Just by the by, I was reading an interesting paper earlier today that discusses the effect of fructose on biological pathways associated with obesity and type 2 diabetes, which adds some weight to the argument that high fructose corn syrup has had a big part to play in those diseases. HFCS is a cheap form of sweetener that is found in all sorts of highly processed foods, intended to be hyper pallitable.
So if the NHS expires they'll knock £10 a packet off the price of cigarettes? Just by the by, I was reading an interesting paper earlier today that discusses the effect of fructose on biological pathways associated with obesity and type 2 diabetes, which adds some weight to the argument that high fructose corn syrup has had a big part to play in those diseases. HFCS is a cheap form of sweetener that is found in all sorts of highly processed foods, intended to be hyper pallitable.
Coming round to this idea if I'm honest....
Astacus said:
Just another thought. If the NHS expires then we will all have to pay health insurance. Imagine the loading we will see if you are a life long smoker. You’ll deffo be paying directly then.
Just by the by, I was reading an interesting paper earlier today that discusses the effect of fructose on biological pathways associated with obesity and type 2 diabetes, which adds some weight to the argument that high fructose corn syrup has had a big part to play in those diseases. HFCS is a cheap form of sweetener that is found in all sorts of highly processed foods, intended to be hyper pallitable.
Smoking doesn’t even come close to the problems caused by our food, never talked about in any meaningful way. Ban all processed foods and most of our chronic health problems would disappear in a generation. Just by the by, I was reading an interesting paper earlier today that discusses the effect of fructose on biological pathways associated with obesity and type 2 diabetes, which adds some weight to the argument that high fructose corn syrup has had a big part to play in those diseases. HFCS is a cheap form of sweetener that is found in all sorts of highly processed foods, intended to be hyper pallitable.
Nomme de Plum said:
Smoking is still costing £17Bn per annum.
Obesity is a growing problem and i think legislation is overdue but the cost is around £3.5Bn
The black market is a problem but we should not run away from a problem because it is difficult to manage.
Anything that prevents addiction is a good thing.
You mention alcohol. Age verification is already common and i see no issue with increasing duty especially away from hospitality and stopping highly discounted alcohol from supermarkets.
Only if you actually count the death of smokers before reaching retirement as a loss to the economy.Obesity is a growing problem and i think legislation is overdue but the cost is around £3.5Bn
The black market is a problem but we should not run away from a problem because it is difficult to manage.
Anything that prevents addiction is a good thing.
You mention alcohol. Age verification is already common and i see no issue with increasing duty especially away from hospitality and stopping highly discounted alcohol from supermarkets.
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