If you don't want Tesco's
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Tallbut Buxomly said:
fergywales said:
Oooookay! That makes you sound like a petulent child, but hey-ho.
So, for balance of argument, could you explain to me the systems and processes directly attributed to a small, independent retailer for the following areas:
So, for balance of argument, could you explain to me the systems and processes directly attributed to a small, independent retailer for the following areas:
- Area Management The owner will normally be the manager
- Procurement The owner or a senior member of staff will order
- Marketing They wont have a marketing dept thats true.It will most likely be run by the store owner/manager
- Accounting Generally they will have an accountant or two depending on size
- Merchandising Will be done by manager and most staff unless one of the big small chains
- Legal They will have a legal firm represent them
- Distribution centre Distribution will be managed by suppliers
- Maintenance Local companies will be paid to do maintenance
Quite simply put Tesco's will not have many local "responsible" staff. They'll be at Head Office. Local Shops will have people at the store doing Buying and marketing the produce in the local area. Accounting will be done using locals in the back office or via a small local accounting practice. Legal Why?? They'll be locally accountable and I doubt that they will require the legal Muscle if they need to expand as the local community require it. Distribution is a supplier thing. Tesco etc handle it to control their suppliers. Maintenence is usually a local company for small businesses. Tesco will hire a Larger outfit who usually charge for everything as the contract is very narrow in scope.
Employment wise Tesco, ASDA etc have very few advantages over "local" stores as they tend to employ "Drones" at local level.
Anti-Tesco sentiment is pure nonsense from the rose-tinted spectacles brigade.
Supermarkets have done more to enhance quality at competitive prices than anything else.
No tough meat
No rotten strawberries in the bottom of the punnet
Cheap beer and wine
etc
If you think they make too much profit - go and buy some shares!!
Supermarkets have done more to enhance quality at competitive prices than anything else.
No tough meat
No rotten strawberries in the bottom of the punnet
Cheap beer and wine
etc
If you think they make too much profit - go and buy some shares!!
telecat said:
Okay I like this lets deconstruct.
Quite simply put Tesco's will not have many local "responsible" staff. They'll be at Head Office. Local Shops will have people at the store doing Buying and marketing the produce in the local area. Accounting will be done using locals in the back office or via a small local accounting practice. Legal Why?? They'll be locally accountable and I doubt that they will require the legal Muscle if they need to expand as the local community require it. Distribution is a supplier thing. Tesco etc handle it to control their suppliers. Maintenence is usually a local company for small businesses. Tesco will hire a Larger outfit who usually charge for everything as the contract is very narrow in scope.
Employment wise Tesco, ASDA etc have very few advantages over "local" stores as they tend to employ "Drones" at local level.
A very key factor.Quite simply put Tesco's will not have many local "responsible" staff. They'll be at Head Office. Local Shops will have people at the store doing Buying and marketing the produce in the local area. Accounting will be done using locals in the back office or via a small local accounting practice. Legal Why?? They'll be locally accountable and I doubt that they will require the legal Muscle if they need to expand as the local community require it. Distribution is a supplier thing. Tesco etc handle it to control their suppliers. Maintenence is usually a local company for small businesses. Tesco will hire a Larger outfit who usually charge for everything as the contract is very narrow in scope.
Employment wise Tesco, ASDA etc have very few advantages over "local" stores as they tend to employ "Drones" at local level.
They will have a store manager a deputy store manager and around 5-12 admin/office staff then drone floor managers till staff with a person or two in the warehouse and shelf stackers.
All the main admin, legal, advertising, stock and procurement etc will all be handled by their main admin centre much like sainsburys london holborn centre.
A large tescos,asda,sainsburys etc store with a clothes dept,home appliances etc will have around at a guess 12 tills with 20-30 till staff.
6-10 floor managers and most likely around 20-40 shelf stackers cleaners etc. I would guess the average store will have around 100 staff max.
The smaller locals will have around 10-15 members of staff with a max of around 20-25.
Also bear in mind that some stores are going mostly self service meaning less till staff meaning less jobs available.
Tallbut Buxomly said:
Its one of the reasons that if ever i had a multimillion dollar company i would do all in my power to avoid being in a position where i would have to have shareholders.
Nothing to stop you having a privately owned multimillion dollar company.Then it's yours', to do with want you want.
I look forward to your ethical stance, paying above minimum wage, awarding good bonuses, the anonymous contributions to charities.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Anti-Tesco sentiment is pure nonsense from the rose-tinted spectacles brigade.
Supermarkets have done more to enhance quality at competitive prices than anything else.
No tough meat
No rotten strawberries in the bottom of the punnet
Cheap beer and wine
etc
If you think they make too much profit - go and buy some shares!!
Problem is when I have three large chains in my town, one with three stores, something is not right. I know people will shop there and there is sod all I can do about. I can see it for what it is. Supermarkets have done more to enhance quality at competitive prices than anything else.
No tough meat
No rotten strawberries in the bottom of the punnet
Cheap beer and wine
etc
If you think they make too much profit - go and buy some shares!!
The meat is debatable, the stuff I get from my butcher is streets ahead and less water. The strawberries I can check myself at the local veg shop and when I open a packet of supermarket salad I expect it to go off very soon as the nitrogen escapes the packet. And farmers are more than happy to supply them....
Tallbut Buxomly said:
They will have a store manager a deputy store manager and around 5-12 admin/office staff then drone floor managers till staff with a person or two in the warehouse and shelf stackers.
All the main admin, legal, advertising, stock and procurement etc will all be handled by their main admin centre much like sainsburys london holborn centre.
A large tescos,asda,sainsburys etc store with a clothes dept,home appliances etc will have around at a guess 12 tills with 20-30 till staff.
6-10 floor managers and most likely around 20-40 shelf stackers cleaners etc. I would guess the average store will have around 100 staff max.
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The large Tescos I have worked in at Holmbush, Crawley and Shoreham directly employ over 600 staff each. That is a pure head count, including part-timers, but excluding contracted cleaning and security staff.All the main admin, legal, advertising, stock and procurement etc will all be handled by their main admin centre much like sainsburys london holborn centre.
A large tescos,asda,sainsburys etc store with a clothes dept,home appliances etc will have around at a guess 12 tills with 20-30 till staff.
6-10 floor managers and most likely around 20-40 shelf stackers cleaners etc. I would guess the average store will have around 100 staff max.
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Not one of those staff is a "drone", to use that word for individuals who work to earn a living makes you sound like a small man trying to be superior to somebody.
As said many times, this thread keeps coming back to snobbery.
Oh, and "ethics", "ethical"... these are neutral words that lazy people use to avoid having an opinion. Hitler was ethical, but his ethics were different from mine.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Supermarkets have done more to enhance quality at competitive prices than anything else.
No tough meat
No rotten strawberries in the bottom of the punnet
Cheap beer and wine
etc
Do they enhance quality or simply standardise things at the cost of taste? Is it better to have a perfect looking tomato or one that tastes of something?No tough meat
No rotten strawberries in the bottom of the punnet
Cheap beer and wine
etc
Are the prices competitive? Do we really have anything non-supermarket to compare with any more?
thetapeworm said:
Do they enhance quality or simply standardise things at the cost of taste? Is it better to have a perfect looking tomato or one that tastes of something?
Are the prices competitive? Do we really have anything non-supermarket to compare with any more?
So if enough people think like this, isn't there a glaring hole in the market ripe for the filling?Are the prices competitive? Do we really have anything non-supermarket to compare with any more?
It all kicked of in Bristol again last night. I drove past the boarded up Teso around 8pm. Police happily chatting with the locals, a vicar and a vibrant cafe/bar evening happening.
A chap opposite the store walked up the steps to his front door carryng 4 Tesco bags of shopping
(Presumably from the one a little further doewn the road).
Coming back out of town around 1.30am the roads were closed and a masked mob were having another battle with the Police...this time they headed down to MacDonalds and Cabot Circus, so obvioulsy just anti-Tesco locals eh?
A chap opposite the store walked up the steps to his front door carryng 4 Tesco bags of shopping
(Presumably from the one a little further doewn the road).Coming back out of town around 1.30am the roads were closed and a masked mob were having another battle with the Police...this time they headed down to MacDonalds and Cabot Circus, so obvioulsy just anti-Tesco locals eh?
Ozzie Osmond said:
Supermarkets have done more to enhance quality at competitive prices than anything else.
No tough meat...
How very strange; I can't recall myriad, unfathomable, gastronomically linked conditions in 1997 when a paltry c.970 stores defined the outletted landscape, any more than today with c.2500 in the UK; come to think of it, I fail to recall a single instance of even mild samonella during the late 60s, 70s or 80s.No tough meat...
However, I am aware of numerous, provincial planners who enjoy some fantastic, Tuscan residences during rather pleasant, early retirements.
They are sinister harbingers of mediocrity and generic propogation; today's half price Blue Nun is tomorrow's Soylent Green!
thetapeworm said:
Do they enhance quality or simply standardise things at the cost of taste? Is it better to have a perfect looking tomato or one that tastes of something?
Are the prices competitive? Do we really have anything non-supermarket to compare with any more?
I am very fortunate in that i have a farmers market opposite my house with fresh produce and an independent bakers and butchers and and an independent store about 5 mins walk down my street. Are the prices competitive? Do we really have anything non-supermarket to compare with any more?
Wherever possible i will always buy from them as their prices (butcher) and more importantly quality are as a rule better than anything the big chains can or would ever offer.
The small indy shops prices are moderately higher than the supermarket but i would rather give them my money.
deeen said:
The large Tescos I have worked in at Holmbush, Crawley and Shoreham directly employ over 600 staff each. That is a pure head count, including part-timers, but excluding contracted cleaning and security staff.
Not one of those staff is a "drone", to use that word for individuals who work to earn a living makes you sound like a small man trying to be superior to somebody.
As said many times, this thread keeps coming back to snobbery.
Oh, and "ethics", "ethical"... these are neutral words that lazy people use to avoid having an opinion. Hitler was ethical, but his ethics were different from mine.
I would describe them as drones or numbers one of which i used to be. They are meaningless to their companies it has nothing to do with snobbery on my part. Not one of those staff is a "drone", to use that word for individuals who work to earn a living makes you sound like a small man trying to be superior to somebody.
As said many times, this thread keeps coming back to snobbery.
Oh, and "ethics", "ethical"... these are neutral words that lazy people use to avoid having an opinion. Hitler was ethical, but his ethics were different from mine.
I used to be in their position both working for a supermarket and contracting for a massive uk non grocery company.
Your ethical point is just dumb. Ethic vary depending on view point it doesnt change the fact that it ethics. A group believing in a certain set of rules have an ethic belief be it right or wrong.
GuinnessMK said:
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