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Lib Dem Spokeswoman on Today programme this morning refusing to recognise any conflict between Trans rights and women's rights.
In particular asked to clarify how they were going to balance their policy of anyone being able to self identify as the other gender and woman's rights to security (in women's prisons) and privacy (in changing rooms), their spokeswoman said there was no conflict and then just waffled on about past advances in equality for various causes.
In particular asked to clarify how they were going to balance their policy of anyone being able to self identify as the other gender and woman's rights to security (in women's prisons) and privacy (in changing rooms), their spokeswoman said there was no conflict and then just waffled on about past advances in equality for various causes.
Swinson’s continuing refusal to go into coalition with labour in a leave alliance is the end for her now I think.
Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
El stovey said:
Swinson’s continuing refusal to go into coalition with labour in a remain alliance is the end for her now I think.
There are other issues in the election you know (I also changed the above from leave to remain)Maybe they don't want to have a formal electoral pact with a hard left party?
El stovey said:
Swinson’s continuing refusal to go into coalition with labour in a leave alliance is the end for her now I think.
Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
She's stuck. If she gives the impression she'll consider putting Corbyn and/or similar into No. 10 she'll lose a big chunk of ex-Tories who would prefer a Lib/Con coalition along the Clegg/Cameron lines. Equally if she looks like she'll put Boris in she'll lose a load of remain voters.Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
So, instead, she's not saying anything which means no one knows what she'd do (she would have to do something) which is also losing her voters......
confused_buyer said:
El stovey said:
Swinson’s continuing refusal to go into coalition with labour in a leave alliance is the end for her now I think.
Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
She's stuck. If she gives the impression she'll consider putting Corbyn and/or similar into No. 10 she'll lose a big chunk of ex-Tories who would prefer a Lib/Con coalition along the Clegg/Cameron lines. Equally if she looks like she'll put Boris in she'll lose a load of remain voters.Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
So, instead, she's not saying anything which means no one knows what she'd do (she would have to do something) which is also losing her voters......
Perhaps it’s the spectre of the last coalition on the libdems or perhaps she actually won’t enter into coalition and is just being honest.
I’m thinking about voting libdem and would like to see an (apparently so far) sensible centrist party in coalition or (even more unlikely) in power. If I think it’s unlikely they’ll win outright then maybe by voting for them, I’ll help corbyn into number ten?
Still, looks like the conservatives are so far ahead now that it won’t matter anyway.
confused_buyer said:
Pitre said:
Swindon would go into a pact with Labour in a heartbeat if Corbyn wasn't leader.
Yes, but that's a problem when you're trying to attract Tory Remain voters.
Hopefully the election will be a decisive defeat for corbyn and he’ll finally get overthrown and we’ll have effective opposition and eventually some positive options in an election rather than voting for the least worst.
El stovey said:
Swinson’s continuing refusal to go into coalition with labour in a leave alliance is the end for her now I think.
Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
Labour have refused at every opportunity to be part of a remain alliance. Corbyn is a leaver. Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
After the last coalition where the conservatives threw the lib dems under a bus at every opportunity why would a minority party ever want to be part of a coalition? The tories have done it again with the DUP.
Lib Dems don't NEED to win. They need to ensure the tories don't get a majority. Then like every other minority party they can hold the other party in check. FPTP instead of AV is what the tories and labour voted for, live with it.
sugerbear said:
El stovey said:
Swinson’s continuing refusal to go into coalition with labour in a leave alliance is the end for her now I think.
Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
Labour have refused at every opportunity to be part of a remain alliance. Corbyn is a leaver. Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
After the last coalition where the conservatives threw the lib dems under a bus at every opportunity why would a minority party ever want to be part of a coalition? The tories have done it again with the DUP.
Lib Dems don't NEED to win. They need to ensure the tories don't get a majority. Then like every other minority party they can hold the other party in check. FPTP instead of AV is what the tories and labour voted for, live with it.
TheRealNoNeedy said:
Labour have NOT refused a coalition they wanted one with Corbachev as leader
They seem to not want to join the Lib Dem/greens/snp remain voting pact. I agree, I don’t think labour have said they won’t go into coalition though. That’s what stoped the government of national unity months ago, labour wanting corbyn in]charge and everyone else saying f
k that.TheRealNoNeedy said:
sugerbear said:
El stovey said:
Swinson’s continuing refusal to go into coalition with labour in a leave alliance is the end for her now I think.
Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
Labour have refused at every opportunity to be part of a remain alliance. Corbyn is a leaver. Farage can see that he needs the conservatives to deliver brexit but the libdems and the remain alliance simply won’t stop Brexit without Labour.
Obviously it’s possible all kinds of deals might be made after the election (if the conservatives don’t get a majority) but to categorically state that they won’t go into coalition and hope to win outright makes it very difficult for them. I think polls are also reflecting this.
After the last coalition where the conservatives threw the lib dems under a bus at every opportunity why would a minority party ever want to be part of a coalition? The tories have done it again with the DUP.
Lib Dems don't NEED to win. They need to ensure the tories don't get a majority. Then like every other minority party they can hold the other party in check. FPTP instead of AV is what the tories and labour voted for, live with it.
The two are not intrinsically linked, but they are when it comes to labour & remain as labour have no interest in remaining other than to hoover up some gullible voters.Tactical voting is just another tactic they are using to hoover up votes.
They don't want freedom of movement & they dont want any of the EU rules that would stop the implementation of their nationalisation plans/ subsidies to those industries that would inevitably be required which would also be breaking EU rules.
Has anyone seen any detailed polling for Swinson's seat in East Dunbartonshire recently? I had a look on the Lord Ashcroft polls site & couldn't find anything, Wikipedia only shows a poll from 2015 (Ashcroft underestimated Swinson, overestimated the Tories & Labour and got the SNP vote bang on). She's sitting on a majority of 5300 vs a "personality" SNP candidate the last time but is up against the local MSP's office manager this time round - https://www.kirkintilloch-herald.co.uk/news/politi... - if there's another SNP surge she could be out of a job (again), so it would be interesting to see if there's a detailed poll for the area.
funkyrobot said:
ChevyChase77 said:
Can people refer to the Lib Dems as 'Jo Swinson's Lib Dems' please as that's what they're now called isn't it?
Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?funkyrobot said:
Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?
I'm disappointed by the direction she's taken the Lib Dems so not a big fan, but this is not exactly true:https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50160148
kev1974 said:
funkyrobot said:
ChevyChase77 said:
Can people refer to the Lib Dems as 'Jo Swinson's Lib Dems' please as that's what they're now called isn't it?
Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?Zetec-S said:
funkyrobot said:
Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?
I'm disappointed by the direction she's taken the Lib Dems so not a big fan, but this is not exactly true:https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50160148
kev1974 said:
Zetec-S said:
funkyrobot said:
Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?
I'm disappointed by the direction she's taken the Lib Dems so not a big fan, but this is not exactly true:https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50160148
If you’re interested in honesty, presumably you ought to be admitting you were taken in by it. maybe you’ve been taken in by other fake news?
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