Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4

[Cheib]

sisu said:

Oliver Hardy said:

Been reading that once they degraded the refinaries they will be going after the ports, don't get why they are not going after the electricity grid like the Russians are doing?

The electrical grid is not as vulnerable as the Russian oil refineries. They expected that Germany and other European countries would not give missiles to strike inside of Russia. They had planned that Europe would still need oil and gas dependent.
They never expected that Ukraine would be striking back either into Russia or taking out their Black Sea fleet either.

Also I think Ukraine never expected that it would have needed to come up with its own solution to be fair. This is a good insurance to cripple Russia over the next 2 years and it creates a dilemma, which is a military objective.
Do you protect the oil refineries and ports now or in 2 weeks time? What if you aim to protect them and fail? Will the Ukrainians aim at other targets this summer?

Ukraine doing what it does best….giving Russia huge problems despite having one hand tied behind its back.

Although the problems Russia is having with its air defences could be a lesson to NATO, I read somewhere recently that the UK’s GBAD (Ground Based Air Defence) doesn’t have the capability to protect critical RAF airfields never mind civilian infrastructure. The UK’s latest system “Sky Sabre” is currently on loan to Poland. Wonder how many of these systems we have ? Not nearly enough is my bet !

[hidetheelephants]

Cheib said:

Ukraine doing what it does best….giving Russia huge problems despite having one hand tied behind its back.

Although the problems Russia is having with its air defences could be a lesson to NATO, I read somewhere recently that the UK’s GBAD (Ground Based Air Defence) doesn’t have the capability to protect critical RAF airfields never mind civilian infrastructure. The UK’s latest system “Sky Sabre” is currently on loan to Poland. Wonder how many of these systems we have ? Not nearly enough is my bet !

Poland has 44 units of Sky Sabre on order, nominally 2025-29 delivery.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Monday 25th March 13:57

[bloomen]

Cheib said:

Wonder how many of these systems we have ? Not nearly enough is my bet !

No one ever has enough air defence.

[TEKNOPUG]

Cheib said:

Although the problems Russia is having with its air defences could be a lesson to NATO, I read somewhere recently that the UK’s GBAD (Ground Based Air Defence) doesn’t have the capability to protect critical RAF airfields never mind civilian infrastructure.

Protect them from who - France?

[BikeBikeBIke]

TEKNOPUG said:

Protect them from who - France?

Yeah, we need a first strike Nuclear attack on Reims before it's too late.

[Talksteer]

bloomen said:

Cheib said:

Wonder how many of these systems we have ? Not nearly enough is my bet !

No one ever has enough air defence.

It's all relative, it's possible to have enough to stop the opposition having a free reign to attack critical targets at will.

The UK has low double digit numbers of SAM systems even if you count man portable systems. The only area air defence systems we have are on a limited number of RN ships.

This is all relatively silly as the UK is a small dense country and as such could be protected by a relatively small number of long range SAMs. These could have commonality with the ones on the ships.

The stated doctrine is that the RAF and USAF stop any air threat with fighters. With Meteor a relatively small number of planes could do this. However the unspoken doctrine is that if a hot war kicked off the US would bring Patriots to protect UK airfields which they would want to use.

[YorkshirePudding]

BikeBikeBIke said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Protect them from who - France?

Yeah, we need a first strike Nuclear attack on Reims before it's too late.

Can we wait until after LeMans first,

[BikeBikeBIke]

YorkshirePudding said:

Can we wait until after LeMans first,

Do it the same weekend, the Mushroom Cloud would look fantastic from 300 km away.

Probably best to travel via Cherbourg on the Sunday to avoid the hoard of mutants as you got closer to the A26.

[Puggit]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Do it the same weekend, the Mushroom Cloud would look fantastic from 300 km away.

Probably best to travel via Cherbourg on the Sunday to avoid the hoard of mutants as you got closer to the A26.

That's no way to talk about the Belgians!

[Earthdweller]

BikeBikeBIke said:

TEKNOPUG said:

Protect them from who - France?

Yeah, we need a first strike Nuclear attack on Reims before it's too late.

Absolutely how very dare they ban parking on the old pit straight

Nuke em I say !

[Puggit]

NYT reports the 4 men captured (and tortured) by Russian forces are the same 4 as in the ISIS video...

https://x.com/AricToler/status/1772319521337958429...

[Chimune]

Anything stopping Poland firing into Belarus? Its not mainland russia and thats where the missile was launched from. Belarus gonna invade Poland ? Putin cares enough to escalate something something red lines something something.

Anway with Isis targeting Mosco civs, Ukr slowing destroying oil infra deep inside russ, small issues on southern borders etc, putin really cant afford a new front where belarus gets a swift localised shoeing too..

[BikeBikeBIke]

Looks like the Russians got the right 4 guys:

https://x.com/AricToler/status/1772319521337958429...

https://archive.is/l1cd4

I feel less uncomfortable about the torture now.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 25th March 18:27

[aeropilot]

BikeBikeBIke said:

Looks like the Russians got the right 4 guys:

https://x.com/AricToler/status/1772319521337958429...

https://archive.is/l1cd4

I feel less uncomfortable about the torture now.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 25th March 18:27

They are going to have a long, slow and quite painfully prolonged demise at the hands of the Russians.....

[Chimune]

aeropilot said:

They are going to have a long, slow and quite painfully prolonged demise at the hands of the Russians.....

Bit like all other russians then ...

[Waitforme]

durbster said:

J4CKO said:

I did think that you kind of need to have the trial before the punishment could begin, but its Russia so not surprised. Am guessing there will be a large show trial, wonder if they will start using the death penalty again for this ?

No need for a death penalty when they can just send them to draw artillery fire in Adviivka.

My understanding is that Russia do have the death penalty, plenty of examples.

Death by natural causes in prison , plane blowing up , ingesting poison, defenestration , falling down stairs ….

[BikeBikeBIke]

aeropilot said:

They are going to have a long, slow and quite painfully prolonged demise at the hands of the Russians.....

I can't help but think that Putin looks at the state of them and sees his future. Just as likely to go the way of Gadaffi or Ceaucescu as die in his bed. He looked spooked today.

Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Monday 25th March 19:48

[julian987R]

aeropilot said:

They are going to have a long, slow and quite painfully prolonged demise at the hands of the Russians.....

They are tortured to where their bodies have no internal organs left.

Inmates are stripped, beaten and forced to rape one another by brutal guards, with their bodies returned to relatives with no internal organs.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13235061/...

If Russia does one thing well, it is this. Bring it on!

[bloomen]

I don't get how they thought their post-slaughter escape plan was going to work.

If they really did kill all those people for a couple of grand on the word of someone on Telegram then I can only assume they're all deeply sub normal so that's explanation enough.

[king arthur]

There are some concerning facts about the attack. Like, why did it take the police/security forces one hour seventeen minutes to respond when they should have been just 10 minutes away? Was this deliberate? Why did it take Putin so long to speak about it?