Jo Swinson

[Robertj21a]

Given that she's rather a 'marmite' character - and Boris seems to be so far ahead - I can't see her making anything like the impact she believes. Some voters might consider it better to vote Conservative in order to better ensure a government with enough of a majority to actually make good progress, at long last.

[confused_buyer]

sugerbear said:

Lib Dems don't NEED to win. They need to ensure the tories don't get a majority. Then like every other minority party they can hold the other party in check. FPTP instead of AV is what the tories and labour voted for, live with it.

Yes, but it isn't quite that simple. On key votes (particularly on an inevitable confidence motion) she would have to be clear on who she was putting/keeping in No. 10 if her party holds the balance of power.

OK, she could say no to Corbyn or Johnson. But neither party will take kindly to another party dictating their leader and it's not clear if their constitutions would allow such a thing to happen. And who would they pick? Labour would be looking at Mcdonnell, Thornburry etc. - all damaging to to the Lib Dems. Conservatives would probably be Priti Patel, Javid etc. Ditto.

I can't see how any hung parliament would last a year without a huge bust up and that's before we throw SNP into the mix.

[Jinx]

El stovey said:

kev1974 said:

Zetec-S said:

funkyrobot said:

Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?

I'm disappointed by the direction she's taken the Lib Dems so not a big fan, but this is not exactly true:

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50160148

Sadly we can only dream that the BBC would put as much effort as they have in pinning down that story, into the Lib Dem's campaign literature lies. or Labour's magic money tree promises!

But you said “indeed” after the poster above spread the fake news as though you agreed with it, you even called them the fib Dems saying fib wasn’t strong enough.

If you’re interested in honesty, presumably you ought to be admitting you were taken in by it. maybe you’ve been taken in by other fake news?

Depends on the definition of "good money" as the UK branch of Tranparency international did receive EU grants in 2016/17 and again in 2017/18 (Mr Hames' employer). The "fake news" was regarding the amount.

[TheRealNoNeedy]

Jinx said:

El stovey said:

kev1974 said:

Zetec-S said:

funkyrobot said:

Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?

I'm disappointed by the direction she's taken the Lib Dems so not a big fan, but this is not exactly true:

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-50160148

Sadly we can only dream that the BBC would put as much effort as they have in pinning down that story, into the Lib Dem's campaign literature lies. or Labour's magic money tree promises!

But you said “indeed” after the poster above spread the fake news as though you agreed with it, you even called them the fib Dems saying fib wasn’t strong enough.

If you’re interested in honesty, presumably you ought to be admitting you were taken in by it. maybe you’ve been taken in by other fake news?

Depends on the definition of "good money" as the UK branch of Tranparency international did receive EU grants in 2016/17 and again in 2017/18 (Mr Hames' employer). The "fake news" was regarding the amount.

Other branches recieved the stated Amount, so same organisation he works the or same amount, not really fake then

[Zetec-S]

TheRealNoNeedy said:

Other branches recieved the stated Amount, so same organisation he works the or same amount, not really fake then

Implying that the main reason she wants to remain is because her husband's organisation received £21k and £2k from the EU...

Yes, the Berlin office received 4m euros, but presumably that level of support will continue whether or not the UK leaves the EU.

Sorry, but it's fake/misleading whichever way you look at it. Posted by the sort of nutters who constantly share bks on facebook like "The real News for British people In Britian who support Britain anti EU stop the ilegal immigration Britain" (sic)

[anonymous-user]

Zetec-S said:

TheRealNoNeedy said:

Other branches recieved the stated Amount, so same organisation he works the or same amount, not really fake then

Implying that the main reason she wants to remain is because her husband's organisation received £21k and £2k from the EU...

Yes, the Berlin office received 4m euros, but presumably that level of support will continue whether or not the UK leaves the EU.

Sorry, but it's fake/misleading whichever way you look at it. Posted by the sort of nutters who constantly share bks on facebook like "The real News for British people In Britian who support Britain anti EU stop the ilegal immigration Britain" (sic)

Unfortunately, you’re wasting your time.

[hutchst]

Pan Pan Pan said:

How can a party where its leader has publicly stated she will not respect a democratic vote be called the liberal democrats? At best they might be named the liberal party, but the liberal anti democrats would be more accurate.

Seems perfectly reasonable, in a now defunct German Democratic Republic sense. After all, who doesn't look up to that pillar of freedom, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? You're in good company Jo.

[oyster]

Pan Pan Pan said:

kev1974 said:

funkyrobot said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Can people refer to the Lib Dems as 'Jo Swinson's Lib Dems' please as that's what they're now called isn't it?

Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?

Indeed, athough I also quite like how some people are calling them the Fib Dems, I just don't think "Fib" is strong enough for their deliberate and damaging lies though

How can a party where its leader has publicly stated she will not respect a democratic vote be called the liberal democrats? At best they might be named the liberal party, but the liberal anti democrats would be more accurate.

I couldn't ever bring myself to vote Lib Dem, but my understanding is that they want to find a further democratic instrument to revoke Article 50.

1. Tried to get the previous Parliament to directly revoke Article 50 - this failed.
2. Trying to get elected with a majority of MPs and then get Parliament to revoke Article 50.
3. Might try, in the future, to get a 2nd referendum with an option on the paper to remain in the EU and then get a majority of MPs to revoke Article 50.

All of which are the choice of the electorate in this election.

[PaulPGreen]

I’ve just seen her ppb.

In her sexy gold shoes.

Lol.

[Vanden Saab]

PaulPGreen said:

I’ve just seen her ppb.

In her sexy gold shoes.

Lol.

I do not think they researched the connotations surrounding gold shoes properly.

[Pan Pan Pan]

oyster said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

kev1974 said:

funkyrobot said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Can people refer to the Lib Dems as 'Jo Swinson's Lib Dems' please as that's what they're now called isn't it?

Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?

Indeed, athough I also quite like how some people are calling them the Fib Dems, I just don't think "Fib" is strong enough for their deliberate and damaging lies though

How can a party where its leader has publicly stated she will not respect a democratic vote be called the liberal democrats? At best they might be named the liberal party, but the liberal anti democrats would be more accurate.

I couldn't ever bring myself to vote Lib Dem, but my understanding is that they want to find a further democratic instrument to revoke Article 50.

1. Tried to get the previous Parliament to directly revoke Article 50 - this failed.
2. Trying to get elected with a majority of MPs and then get Parliament to revoke Article 50.
3. Might try, in the future, to get a 2nd referendum with an option on the paper to remain in the EU and then get a majority of MPs to revoke Article 50.

All of which are the choice of the electorate in this election.

Correct, but the baseline is that the people of the UK voted on whether or not they wanted the UK to remain in the EU, or leave. Until the result of that democratic vote has been upheld, everything else is just blathering in an attempt to get the democratic vote of 2016 overturned, by those who did not get the result they wanted in 2016.

[turbobloke]

Pan Pan Pan said:

oyster said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

kev1974 said:

funkyrobot said:

ChevyChase77 said:

Can people refer to the Lib Dems as 'Jo Swinson's Lib Dems' please as that's what they're now called isn't it?

Don't you mean 'Jo Swinson's we must remain in the EU because my hubby makes good money from them Lib Dem's?

Indeed, athough I also quite like how some people are calling them the Fib Dems, I just don't think "Fib" is strong enough for their deliberate and damaging lies though

How can a party where its leader has publicly stated she will not respect a democratic vote be called the liberal democrats? At best they might be named the liberal party, but the liberal anti democrats would be more accurate.

I couldn't ever bring myself to vote Lib Dem, but my understanding is that they want to find a further democratic instrument to revoke Article 50.

1. Tried to get the previous Parliament to directly revoke Article 50 - this failed.
2. Trying to get elected with a majority of MPs and then get Parliament to revoke Article 50.
3. Might try, in the future, to get a 2nd referendum with an option on the paper to remain in the EU and then get a majority of MPs to revoke Article 50.

All of which are the choice of the electorate in this election.

Correct, but the baseline is that the people of the UK voted on whether or not they wanted the UK to remain in the EU, or leave. Until the result of that democratic vote has been upheld, everything else is just blathering in an attempt to get the democratic vote of 2016 overturned, by those who did not get the result they wanted in 2016.

Lord Ashcroft Polls data supports this ^.

Lord Ashcroft Polls said:

Asked whether they feel more strongly about the way they voted in the EU referendum or the political party they support, voters are most likely to name their referendum vote (38%). A quarter feel equally strongly about both, one in five say they don’t feel strongly about either, and only 8% say they feel more strongly about the party they support.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/11/election-priorities-best-pm-preferred-government-trust-on-the-economy-best-party-on-brexit-introducing-my-general-election-dashboard/

[anonymous-user]

Someone has just sent me a picture of one of their constituency election pamphlets that suggests Flavible's analysis of a comres poll puts them ahead of the Tories and with Labour way behind with barely a double figure percentage. Last time around they were pretty much neck and neck with Labour with under a quarter each and the Tories gaining a majority vote. So where do they get their figures from? I can't find evidence on the Flavible website to back this up.
Is the Electoral Commission investigating the Lib Dems yet?

Sorry, just found this, and probably already been covered on this thread.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com...

It's so blatant! They're taking their voters for mugs. Remainers think of who and what you are voting for and consider their opinion of you.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 17th November 10:26

[Randy Winkman]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Not good perhaps. But doesn't it fall into the broad category of "not good" things that aren't going to make anyone tick a box for a different party who has also done some "not good" things and less well represents what they stand for?

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Not good perhaps. But doesn't it fall into the broad category of "not good" things that aren't going to make anyone tick a box for a different party who has also done some "not good" things and less well represents what they stand for?

I see what you mean. I can imagine that some will spoil their ballot papers or simply not vote, if they judge their desired party to be fundamentally dishonest but do not see another party they feel they can back, or simply don't have another choice in the constituency.

[Randy Winkman]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Or in my case just vote for the nearest one to what I want. Which might be someone who has done some "not good" things.

[anonymous-user]

Randy Winkman said:

Or in my case just vote for the nearest one to what I want. Which might be someone who has done some "not good" things.

Makes sense.

Seems odd that posters here feel so attached to a particular party that they’re constantly making excuses for their leader. I just look around before the election and see who I think might do the best job.

The negativity and cynicism in U.K. politics is so high now that it must be hard for most people to find candidates beyond reproach.

If the election was tomorrow I’d probably vote libdem, if they reveal some terrible policies that I can’t live with, between now and then, I’ll find someone else to vote for.

[james_GTI]

El stovey said:

Makes sense.

Seems odd that posters here feel so attached to a particular party that they’re constantly making excuses for their leader. I just look around before the election and see who I think might do the best job.

The negativity and cynicism in U.K. politics is so high now that it must be hard for most people to find candidates beyond reproach.

If the election was tomorrow I’d probably vote libdem, if they reveal some terrible policies that I can’t live with, between now and then, I’ll find someone else to vote for.

The Lib Dem liars that agreed to a vote on membership of the EU and who are now saying that they'd totally ignore the result of that vote?

What are you making excuses for Jo Swinson?

[Randy Winkman]

james_GTI said:

El stovey said:

Makes sense.

Seems odd that posters here feel so attached to a particular party that they’re constantly making excuses for their leader. I just look around before the election and see who I think might do the best job.

The negativity and cynicism in U.K. politics is so high now that it must be hard for most people to find candidates beyond reproach.

If the election was tomorrow I’d probably vote libdem, if they reveal some terrible policies that I can’t live with, between now and then, I’ll find someone else to vote for.

The Lib Dem liars that agreed to a vote on membership of the EU and who are now saying that they'd totally ignore the result of that vote?

What are you making excuses for Jo Swinson?

Or BJ who has done X or Corbyn who has done Y? I just pick the best of a bad bunch.

[TheRealNoNeedy]

james_GTI said:

El stovey said:

Makes sense.

Seems odd that posters here feel so attached to a particular party that they’re constantly making excuses for their leader. I just look around before the election and see who I think might do the best job.

The negativity and cynicism in U.K. politics is so high now that it must be hard for most people to find candidates beyond reproach.

If the election was tomorrow I’d probably vote libdem, if they reveal some terrible policies that I can’t live with, between now and then, I’ll find someone else to vote for.

The Lib Dem liars that agreed to a vote on membership of the EU and who are now saying that they'd totally ignore the result of that vote?

What are you making excuses for Jo Swinson?

A vote for the LibDems is a vote for Boris anyway as it's just a leftie vote that Labour isn't getting