Derek Chauvin Trial
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Anybody who thinks Candace Owens is an authority on anything more complex than the spelling of her own name (and the jury is still out even on that one) should check out her appearance on Joe Rogan. It’s both very funny and fairly scary how somebody with as much political influence as she has gets thoroughly outfoxed by a cage fighting commentator/stoner/comedian who utilises the ingenious method of asking her some very, very simple questions.
Edited by Jonny Wishbone on Monday 26th April 21:42
Gameface said:
Thrice convinced!
Well, that's some riposte! 
I do like it when people begin to realise they're wrong on topics they've been lied to. The usual replies of "he's an old poster that's been banned" or just some personal insults usually come first. Then bizarre ones like this, or links to extremist websites like the Guardian. Utterly nothing of substance to back up these bizarre, old fashioned positions on social issues.
It's also good to see some common sense on this thread by the way, a decent number of people also convinced that DC was not racist and racism isn't a problem in the UK (as officially stated) or the US. Fair play gents
Trackdayer said:
I'm giving an example of first-hand lived experience of American life, from the mouth of a black woman. It's a more qualified opinion than yours.
You've found one black person online whose opinion you like. You'd likely have been able to find a handful of black people there who didn't complain only a couple of generations ago when they couldn't use the same toilets and drink from the same water fountains.paulguitar said:
You've found one black person online whose opinion you like.
Here's anotherhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=57&...
Nobody, black or white, with any grounding in reality, believes in racism.
Trackdayer said:
Gameface said:
Now I'm doubly convinced.
What's a more reliable source on US racism?A black American woman like Candace Owens, or a bunch of horrid, middle-class Londoners writing for the Guardian?
I know who I'll believe.
The woman who ran an anti-trump website before she realised it was lucrative to be a supporter of his?
In a 2015 column that Owens wrote for the site, she criticized conservative Republicans, writing about the "bat-s
t-crazy antics of the Republican Tea Party," adding, "The good news is, they will eventually die off (peacefully in their sleep, we hope), and then we can get right on with the OBVIOUS social change that needs to happen, IMMEDIATELY."thewarlock said:
That doesn't mean that these people should be treated as second class citizens though.
If you want to learn about being treated as a second class citizen in UK all you need to do is turn up as a white, East European migrant worker.Give it a go some time. You might find it educational.
rockin said:
If you want to learn about being treated as a second class citizen in UK all you need to do is turn up as a white, East European migrant worker.
Give it a go some time. You might find it educational.
How on earth would I "give it a go sometime"? And what does that have to do with this thread?Give it a go some time. You might find it educational.
thewarlock said:
rockin said:
If you want to learn about being treated as a second class citizen in UK all you need to do is turn up as a white, East European migrant worker.
Give it a go some time. You might find it educational.
How on earth would I "give it a go sometime"? And what does that have to do with this thread?Give it a go some time. You might find it educational.
Systematic?
A NYC jails captain stopped an officer from saving a man who had hung himself from a light fixture inside his cell, leaving him to hang for 15 minutes. Today that captain was charged with criminally negligent homicide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/nyregion/prison...
The country's jails and prisons suffer from some of the same systemic issues we see in many police departments: excessive uses of force, falsifying records and accounts of deadly encounters.
In this case, the captain, Rebecca Hillman is accused of falsifying records after she allegedly let Ryan Wilson hang himself. My analysis of discipline data found that lying or filing incomplete reports is a fairly common practice among those disciplined:
Hillman, a captain is not the only captain to have falsified records. In fact, of those disciplined in recent years for excessive force, a dozen were supervisors who were also found to have lied or provided incomplete information about the encounter.
https://twitter.com/Jan_Ransom/status/138681943206...
A NYC jails captain stopped an officer from saving a man who had hung himself from a light fixture inside his cell, leaving him to hang for 15 minutes. Today that captain was charged with criminally negligent homicide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/nyregion/prison...
The country's jails and prisons suffer from some of the same systemic issues we see in many police departments: excessive uses of force, falsifying records and accounts of deadly encounters.
In this case, the captain, Rebecca Hillman is accused of falsifying records after she allegedly let Ryan Wilson hang himself. My analysis of discipline data found that lying or filing incomplete reports is a fairly common practice among those disciplined:
Hillman, a captain is not the only captain to have falsified records. In fact, of those disciplined in recent years for excessive force, a dozen were supervisors who were also found to have lied or provided incomplete information about the encounter.
https://twitter.com/Jan_Ransom/status/138681943206...
Justice Department will investigate policing practices in Louisville in wake of Breonna Taylor's 2020 death.
Attorney General Merrick Garland on Monday announced that the Department of Justice will open an investigation into the practices of the Louisville Metro Police Department in Kentucky.
The announcement comes days after Garland said the DOJ will investigate the Minneapolis Police Department following Derek Chauvin’s conviction for the murder of George Floyd, whose killing in custody sparked global protests.
Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old Black woman, was killed last year by Louisville police officers who entered her apartment with a no-knock warrant and fired 32 bullets. Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, fired a shot at officers, whom he has said he believed to be intruders.
Garland said the investigation was spurred by a comprehensive review of public information.
“As with every Justice Department investigation, we will follow the facts and the law wherever they lead,” Garland said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/breonna-taylor-jus...
Attorney General Merrick Garland on Monday announced that the Department of Justice will open an investigation into the practices of the Louisville Metro Police Department in Kentucky.
The announcement comes days after Garland said the DOJ will investigate the Minneapolis Police Department following Derek Chauvin’s conviction for the murder of George Floyd, whose killing in custody sparked global protests.
Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old Black woman, was killed last year by Louisville police officers who entered her apartment with a no-knock warrant and fired 32 bullets. Taylor’s boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, fired a shot at officers, whom he has said he believed to be intruders.
Garland said the investigation was spurred by a comprehensive review of public information.
“As with every Justice Department investigation, we will follow the facts and the law wherever they lead,” Garland said.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/26/breonna-taylor-jus...
Trackdayer said:
paulguitar said:
No, it doesn't. You don't get to 'sum it up' with a photo you've found on the internet.
How much time have you spent in the USA, and in particular, the south?
I'm giving an example of first-hand lived experience of American life, from the mouth of a black woman. It's a more qualified opinion than yours.How much time have you spent in the USA, and in particular, the south?
How much time I've spent in the US is irrelevant. You've spent zero time in gulags but that doesn't preclude you having an opinion on them being bad. What an absurd argument.
blackrabbit said:
Killboy said:
blackrabbit said:
I will say as someone actually living in a 50-50 black white US city I do not see institutional racism. My company (large multi national) is about 50-50 in manager/director and above jobs. I have been pressured personally a few times by HR to hire a minority even though they were not the best candidate as my company is scared to death about being labelled racist. Sure there are more poor blacks in the city but same applies to poor whites in trailer parks in the exurbs. In terms of representation the cities council. mayor, police, civil servants are majority black and represent the racial makeup. Same the opposite way in the country towns. This is why I have no time for people trying to make excuses for criminals (whatever color) whether in the hood or in the trailer park or people who have no idea of the US trying to say everything is racist just because some liberal media outlet says so. Or an organisation like BLM saying so which sadly is really just enriching its leaders by racebaiting.
Currently in 2021 I see it being harder to get a good job, into a good private school or into college if you are white than black in the US all else being equal due to quotas being applied and if anything the pendulum has moved towards discrimination in some areas to white people especially white males.
What horsesCurrently in 2021 I see it being harder to get a good job, into a good private school or into college if you are white than black in the US all else being equal due to quotas being applied and if anything the pendulum has moved towards discrimination in some areas to white people especially white males.
Edited by blackrabbit on Monday 26th April 17:16
t. At least you have your gun, just in case. I bet like most you no nothing other than the crap you injest from the Guardian and of course your only option is then resort to silly retorts with no substance.
Edited by blackrabbit on Monday 26th April 19:43
And to Trackdayer's earlier comment - as I understand it, Candace Owens isn't taken seriously by the black conservative movement. I've not yet found a black Republican who unreservedly supports her views.
This subject annoys the hell out of me.
I don't have any black friends or work mates.
I don't have any Asian friends or work mates.
I don't have any eastern european friends or work mates.
I don't have any white, japanese or chinese friends or work mates.
I just have friends and workmates.
I agree that people are given less opportunity if they are from a different background than the indiginous people.
I have never done that, but recognise it is a problem, however bringing it up all the time is a negative force on equality.
DC should, and will, go to jail.
But it should be for allowing a detainee to expire whilst being restrained inappropriately.
Any part of the trial or sentencing which mentions race is part of the problem.
He should have the same punishment regardless of the race of the individuals, anything else is racist.
I don't have any black friends or work mates.
I don't have any Asian friends or work mates.
I don't have any eastern european friends or work mates.
I don't have any white, japanese or chinese friends or work mates.
I just have friends and workmates.
I agree that people are given less opportunity if they are from a different background than the indiginous people.
I have never done that, but recognise it is a problem, however bringing it up all the time is a negative force on equality.
DC should, and will, go to jail.
But it should be for allowing a detainee to expire whilst being restrained inappropriately.
Any part of the trial or sentencing which mentions race is part of the problem.
He should have the same punishment regardless of the race of the individuals, anything else is racist.
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