Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
Discussion
aeropilot said:
Seems more likely, although a bit of a dead end to go to, but maybe from a safety pov, maybe quite logical. Its the closest non-Russian territory that they could cross into, with less angry Russians about than in Russia.
Maybe easier to get a flight out of Belarus back to the Tajikistan as well without drawing as much attention to yourself. Didn't van or car have a Belarus number plate that had been faked to a Ukrainian one?
But, as you say, why is Lukashenko sticking his head above the parapet...!!
I don't know, but I heard the perps were 15km from Belarus and Belarus troops helped arrest the perps, so perhaps admitting they were headed for Belarus helps him take the credit and he wants that credit.Maybe easier to get a flight out of Belarus back to the Tajikistan as well without drawing as much attention to yourself. Didn't van or car have a Belarus number plate that had been faked to a Ukrainian one?
But, as you say, why is Lukashenko sticking his head above the parapet...!!
Or, perhaps Lukashenko feels he can't deny reality. (Unlike Putin.)
One more thought with my tin foil hat on. Historically, Lukashenko is no lightweight. He thought with some justification he could unite Belarus and Russia and him be the leader of both. Demonstrating he knows what's going on and could be part of a solution to Islamist violence could be part of a process of forcing Putin out of office and taking over. Putin is looking pretty shakey right now and there's no obvious successor.
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Tuesday 26th March 14:21
bloomen said:
I would assume it's more about reminding the world, and Putin, that's he's still here occasionally and not an absolute sockpuppet.
That's it's true is also handy.
Belarus has been enabling migrants to enter the EU via Poland for a long time and its a long border, it's feasible that was the terrorist plan.That's it's true is also handy.
In news that surprises no-one.... FSB claiming the Crocus attack was a conspiracy between the USA, UK and Ukraine (Sky News). This is just mind boggling story telling with not even a hint of being based in facts. To me this is important. In the past, even the worst propaganda sort of seeks to twist or mis-represent something so that there is a sniff of credibility to it. From now on we are in the realms of making any old nonsense up with no need to disguise the lies. To me that shows the Russian regime is utterly confident of the gullibility of the populace now.
CaiosH said:
Watched this last night. Shocking & thought provoking.
We see the geopolitics of it being played out on the news, world leaders posturing and the global impact. Learn about the western and Russian weapon systems. But watching the documentary it pretty shocking to see it really come down to a few blokes running around the woods trying to f
king murder each other!
It all feels really pointless at that level, men dying for a few feet of forest. You could really see the Ukrainian’s are very angry and that they would never stop, after the losses they have already endured.
Really made me question what Russia have to gain. Invade Ukraine to get a buffer between NATO or for Ukraine’s resources. But at the cost of crossing horns with NATO and destroying Ukraine. Its infuriatingly pointless.
Left wondering how this will ever end.
Just watched it as well. Seriously grim stuff. The Ukrainians are fighting so hard. Those last 2 souls in the OP showed just how hard. Heroyam slava. We see the geopolitics of it being played out on the news, world leaders posturing and the global impact. Learn about the western and Russian weapon systems. But watching the documentary it pretty shocking to see it really come down to a few blokes running around the woods trying to f
king murder each other!It all feels really pointless at that level, men dying for a few feet of forest. You could really see the Ukrainian’s are very angry and that they would never stop, after the losses they have already endured.
Really made me question what Russia have to gain. Invade Ukraine to get a buffer between NATO or for Ukraine’s resources. But at the cost of crossing horns with NATO and destroying Ukraine. Its infuriatingly pointless.
Left wondering how this will ever end.
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k Russia!hidetheelephants said:
bloomen said:
I would assume it's more about reminding the world, and Putin, that's he's still here occasionally and not an absolute sockpuppet.
That's it's true is also handy.
Belarus has been enabling migrants to enter the EU via Poland for a long time and its a long border, it's feasible that was the terrorist plan.That's it's true is also handy.
blueST said:
In news that surprises no-one.... FSB claiming the Crocus attack was a conspiracy between the USA, UK and Ukraine (Sky News). This is just mind boggling story telling with not even a hint of being based in facts. To me this is important. In the past, even the worst propaganda sort of seeks to twist or mis-represent something so that there is a sniff of credibility to it. From now on we are in the realms of making any old nonsense up with no need to disguise the lies. To me that shows the Russian regime is utterly confident of the gullibility of the populace now.
It's like when he blamed Poland for WWII while Tucker Carlson just sat there like a muppet. It's like he read 1984 & thought "let's see if I can try that!".blueST said:
In news that surprises no-one.... FSB claiming the Crocus attack was a conspiracy between the USA, UK and Ukraine (Sky News). This is just mind boggling story telling with not even a hint of being based in facts. To me this is important. In the past, even the worst propaganda sort of seeks to twist or mis-represent something so that there is a sniff of credibility to it. From now on we are in the realms of making any old nonsense up with no need to disguise the lies. To me that shows the Russian regime is utterly confident of the gullibility of the populace now.
It's not that they expect the population to believe, more the opposite, the FSB know the population won't believe. They are telling the population we're in charge, because only the people in charge can get away with ridiculous lies.
borcy said:
blueST said:
In news that surprises no-one.... FSB claiming the Crocus attack was a conspiracy between the USA, UK and Ukraine (Sky News). This is just mind boggling story telling with not even a hint of being based in facts. To me this is important. In the past, even the worst propaganda sort of seeks to twist or mis-represent something so that there is a sniff of credibility to it. From now on we are in the realms of making any old nonsense up with no need to disguise the lies. To me that shows the Russian regime is utterly confident of the gullibility of the populace now.
It's not that they expect the population to believe, more the opposite, the FSB know the population won't believe. They are telling the population we're in charge, because only the people in charge can get away with ridiculous lies.
BikeBikeBIke said:
Putin is looking pretty shakey right now and there's no obvious successor.
Honestly why do people think that, other than wishful thinking?He has just won an election with 104% of the vote.
He fires or kills military leaders with impunity.
There is zero material political opposition in Russia.
And 90% of the population are zombies.
He seems a lot more secure than most Western leaders.
glazbagun said:
It's like when he blamed Poland for WWII while Tucker Carlson just sat there like a muppet. It's like he read 1984 & thought "let's see if I can try that!".
What? Some posters were praising him for his courage and his journalistic integrity in doing his Russian expose!julian987R said:
Yep I mean dissection on a level that is so far off the scale of depravity. It’s a beautiful thought of what is coming to these four.
If this had been in the UK, especially under a Labour Party, they’d be given a hotel suite, mini bar toblerones and a human rights lawyer. Had Corbyn been PM he’d be offering them asylum!
Not being rude but.. you are weirdly obsessed, everything is the fault of Labour / Corbyn. Must be embarrasing for you If this had been in the UK, especially under a Labour Party, they’d be given a hotel suite, mini bar toblerones and a human rights lawyer. Had Corbyn been PM he’d be offering them asylum!
Unrealistic and unfeasible comment inbound…
We should build a massive wall around the new perimeter of Europe and leave Russia to go fk themselves by whatever means they want to. I’m bored of hearing news about vlad, his supporters, his henchmen, his views, his threats, his bile and our PH chat about it all. Mostly a v miserable nation of people and a proper dirt level government with a leader that makes even Kim look sane! I’d be happy to never hear about them ever
Again.
fk off russia!! fk you!!!
Right.. let’s get dinner on
We should build a massive wall around the new perimeter of Europe and leave Russia to go f
k themselves by whatever means they want to. I’m bored of hearing news about vlad, his supporters, his henchmen, his views, his threats, his bile and our PH chat about it all. Mostly a v miserable nation of people and a proper dirt level government with a leader that makes even Kim look sane! I’d be happy to never hear about them everAgain.
f
k off russia!! fk you!!!Right.. let’s get dinner on
Edited by Boom78 on Tuesday 26th March 21:24
"Ukrainian production of 120-mm mines, currently producing 20,000 per month, as well as the production of "Novator" armoured vehicles and chassis for 155-mm "Bogdana" self-propelled guns"
Not close to Russian production levels, but still a satisfying site and Ukraine will not need to match Russian numbers while in defence mode.
https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/17725764366556...
Possible change in policy for poland with regards to ROE.
Possible change in policy for poland with regards to ROE.
borcy said:
https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/17725764366556...
Possible change in policy for poland with regards to ROE.
Smart move, if “Belarus” fire a missile at Ukraine via Poland shoot it down in Belarus let them clean up the damage.Possible change in policy for poland with regards to ROE.
eliot said:
Al Gorithum said:
Sorry for OT but just finished the Netflix Bomb and the Cold War which I found fascinating and a bit scary, and left a better understanding of why we are where we are.
same here - never knew that the opening of the berlin wall was actually a miscommunication !Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff