Welsh lockdown
Discussion
MG CHRIS said:
Landcrab_Six said:
MG CHRIS said:
We not the only ones my previous employees both have cases within their business and know a few other very short on staff. Don't know of a single death though in any other business within the trade since the start of this and it has a huge mix of ages within it.
I've seen a bit of a change - one of the regional managers I know in another business reports he's had 187 cases in 500 staff since start of December. This was a bit of a shock to me, as it was the first time I'd heard of significant infections.However, almost all of those were caught by test & trace due to working with someone who had a positive test, and as they're close working teams in small retail outlets that are mostly trading 24/7, once you get one case, you can snag a load from the same source.
Nobody hospitalised yet, all just had a nasty cold for a couple of days at worst.
So maybe there is anecdotal evidence that the 'new strain' is doing what most respiratory viruses do - more transmissible, but less virulent. Which is what was tabled by many scientists back in the early days of the pandemic.
Make of it what you will. Ive been around PH long enough to know the demographic and likely response / rebuke but its a nasty f
king bug whether youre in the "its just a bad cold" camp or not. Landcrab_Six said:
It's the barbers and hairdressers you need to worry about.
Over 100,000 people each year 'die from any cause' within 28 days of having their hair cut.
Also, over 95% of people who die of Covid do so within a week of a full moon or new moon.Over 100,000 people each year 'die from any cause' within 28 days of having their hair cut.
That’s strangely under-reported.
It does make me wonder how the decided to vaccinate people in what order
Surely old people rarely leave care homes so they shouldn’t be done first,
First should have been, carers, front line NHS staff, police and front line emergency workers then all essential retail, then all other key workers, then normal people so that the shops can reopen and economy get back up and running
Finally keep old people and those vunrable shielding in the mean time
Country gets back up and running quicker, less money spent on furlough etc, fewer hospital admissions.
For instance, I’m a “key worker” in and out of hospitals, police stations, care homes every day but as I’m a young male, I won’t get it till one of the last, but my OH, who works from home and is in the vunrable category gets his next month despite not going out as he’s shielding?
Surely old people rarely leave care homes so they shouldn’t be done first,
First should have been, carers, front line NHS staff, police and front line emergency workers then all essential retail, then all other key workers, then normal people so that the shops can reopen and economy get back up and running
Finally keep old people and those vunrable shielding in the mean time
Country gets back up and running quicker, less money spent on furlough etc, fewer hospital admissions.
For instance, I’m a “key worker” in and out of hospitals, police stations, care homes every day but as I’m a young male, I won’t get it till one of the last, but my OH, who works from home and is in the vunrable category gets his next month despite not going out as he’s shielding?
bmwmike said:
MG CHRIS said:
Landcrab_Six said:
MG CHRIS said:
We not the only ones my previous employees both have cases within their business and know a few other very short on staff. Don't know of a single death though in any other business within the trade since the start of this and it has a huge mix of ages within it.
I've seen a bit of a change - one of the regional managers I know in another business reports he's had 187 cases in 500 staff since start of December. This was a bit of a shock to me, as it was the first time I'd heard of significant infections.However, almost all of those were caught by test & trace due to working with someone who had a positive test, and as they're close working teams in small retail outlets that are mostly trading 24/7, once you get one case, you can snag a load from the same source.
Nobody hospitalised yet, all just had a nasty cold for a couple of days at worst.
So maybe there is anecdotal evidence that the 'new strain' is doing what most respiratory viruses do - more transmissible, but less virulent. Which is what was tabled by many scientists back in the early days of the pandemic.
Make of it what you will. Ive been around PH long enough to know the demographic and likely response / rebuke but its a nasty f
king bug whether youre in the "its just a bad cold" camp or not. phil_cardiff said:
Similar story from my workplace. One family Christmas meal resulted in 5 positive cases, one hospitalisation and three 'long covid' cases. Big cist to the taxpayer in NHS resource and lost productivity. No underlying health conditions in the family but the father would have died without the oxygen, steroids and antibiotics he received. He's in his 60s.
Long covid after 3 weeks.Un-f
king-believable.Landcrab_Six said:
phil_cardiff said:
Similar story from my workplace. One family Christmas meal resulted in 5 positive cases, one hospitalisation and three 'long covid' cases. Big cist to the taxpayer in NHS resource and lost productivity. No underlying health conditions in the family but the father would have died without the oxygen, steroids and antibiotics he received. He's in his 60s.
Long covid after 3 weeks.Un-f
king-believable.You can also talk to my former colleague, 44 years old, no underlying health conditions, gym 4 times a week. Ventilated in March, hospital for over a month and still not well enough to work 8hrs a day.
It can be a nasty one and it would have been an absolute horror show if we'd carried on as normal and tried to shield the vulnerable only.
MG CHRIS said:
Trophy Husband said:
survivalist said:
All of that stuff is irrelevant. It’s just somewhere that the majority need to go to. For food. To eat. Almost everywhere else is optional.
Thus, control needs to be better surely?I watched a woman pick up at least 10 single large tomatoes before she decided on the first one she picked up! That's 9 possibilities for infection just for one tomato! All 39p worth!
On the other hand, if you generally live like that you’ll never build any antibodies. My kids lick all kids of stuff, which mean in the ping term they’ll get runny noses and not much else.
That includes letting my kids run around an amusement arcade touching anything they want to. No point in ‘protecting’ those who need no protection
survivalist said:
MG CHRIS said:
Trophy Husband said:
survivalist said:
All of that stuff is irrelevant. It’s just somewhere that the majority need to go to. For food. To eat. Almost everywhere else is optional.
Thus, control needs to be better surely?I watched a woman pick up at least 10 single large tomatoes before she decided on the first one she picked up! That's 9 possibilities for infection just for one tomato! All 39p worth!
On the other hand, if you generally live like that you’ll never build any antibodies. My kids lick all kids of stuff, which mean in the ping term they’ll get runny noses and not much else.
That includes letting my kids run around an amusement arcade touching anything they want to. No point in ‘protecting’ those who need no protection
Nickbrapp said:
It does make me wonder how the decided to vaccinate people in what order
Surely old people rarely leave care homes so they shouldn’t be done first,
First should have been, carers, front line NHS staff, police and front line emergency workers then all essential retail, then all other key workers, then normal people so that the shops can reopen and economy get back up and running
Finally keep old people and those vunrable shielding in the mean time
Country gets back up and running quicker, less money spent on furlough etc, fewer hospital admissions.
For instance, I’m a “key worker” in and out of hospitals, police stations, care homes every day but as I’m a young male, I won’t get it till one of the last, but my OH, who works from home and is in the vunrable category gets his next month despite not going out as he’s shielding?
You've answered your own question, those vulnerable residents need the protection first from people like you who may bring it in to care homes and hospitals. The vaccine doesn't stop you carrying it and passing it onSurely old people rarely leave care homes so they shouldn’t be done first,
First should have been, carers, front line NHS staff, police and front line emergency workers then all essential retail, then all other key workers, then normal people so that the shops can reopen and economy get back up and running
Finally keep old people and those vunrable shielding in the mean time
Country gets back up and running quicker, less money spent on furlough etc, fewer hospital admissions.
For instance, I’m a “key worker” in and out of hospitals, police stations, care homes every day but as I’m a young male, I won’t get it till one of the last, but my OH, who works from home and is in the vunrable category gets his next month despite not going out as he’s shielding?
Sargeant Orange said:
You've answered your own question, those vulnerable residents need the protection first from people like you who may bring it in to care homes and hospitals. The vaccine doesn't stop you carrying it and passing it on
It probably does, but we don’t know that for certain yet.Another huge drop in cases down almost a 1000 from this day last week deaths still high but that will come down in time. Caerphilly now down to 30 cases recorded haven't seen a number that low since august/September. Suspect they be down below 1000 for the 2 weekend days then back up for tue-thursday when they will put the omg cases are rising again to scare us a bit more.
Saying that they got the brazil covid mutating already in the uk to push the fear.
Saying that they got the brazil covid mutating already in the uk to push the fear.
The news from Wales becomes more odd by the day.
https://order-order.com/2021/01/18/listen-drakefor...
My elderly parents (82 with a recent heart bypass, and 79 years old) who live in Cardiff haven’t heard anything about being vaccinated yet. More worrying is that they don’t know ANYONE who’s been vaccinated, and they are (or were pre-lockdown!) active with an extensive social circle.
There seems to be little if any effective challenge to the policies and managerial competence of Drakeford and co. Journalism in Wales has essentially been nationalised, and the opposition parties are largely irrelevant. It’s a perfect setup to sustain incompetence at the highest level, and may have disastrous consequences.
https://order-order.com/2021/01/18/listen-drakefor...
My elderly parents (82 with a recent heart bypass, and 79 years old) who live in Cardiff haven’t heard anything about being vaccinated yet. More worrying is that they don’t know ANYONE who’s been vaccinated, and they are (or were pre-lockdown!) active with an extensive social circle.
There seems to be little if any effective challenge to the policies and managerial competence of Drakeford and co. Journalism in Wales has essentially been nationalised, and the opposition parties are largely irrelevant. It’s a perfect setup to sustain incompetence at the highest level, and may have disastrous consequences.
Drakeford seems to be turning the taps down to avoid vaccination staff getting bored when they run out.
meanwhile the stats do not look good
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vac...
meanwhile the stats do not look good
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vac...
bmwmike said:
Drakeford seems to be turning the taps down to avoid vaccination staff getting bored when they run out.
meanwhile the stats do not look good
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vac...
meanwhile the stats do not look good
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vac...
WindyCommon said:
The news from Wales becomes more odd by the day.
https://order-order.com/2021/01/18/listen-drakefor...
My elderly parents (82 with a recent heart bypass, and 79 years old) who live in Cardiff haven’t heard anything about being vaccinated yet. More worrying is that they don’t know ANYONE who’s been vaccinated, and they are (or were pre-lockdown!) active with an extensive social circle.
There seems to be little if any effective challenge to the policies and managerial competence of Drakeford and co. Journalism in Wales has essentially been nationalised, and the opposition parties are largely irrelevant. It’s a perfect setup to sustain incompetence at the highest level, and may have disastrous consequences.
“There would be no point and certainly it would be logistically damaging to try and use all of [the Pfizer vaccine] in the first week and have our vaccinators standing around with nothing to do.”https://order-order.com/2021/01/18/listen-drakefor...
My elderly parents (82 with a recent heart bypass, and 79 years old) who live in Cardiff haven’t heard anything about being vaccinated yet. More worrying is that they don’t know ANYONE who’s been vaccinated, and they are (or were pre-lockdown!) active with an extensive social circle.
There seems to be little if any effective challenge to the policies and managerial competence of Drakeford and co. Journalism in Wales has essentially been nationalised, and the opposition parties are largely irrelevant. It’s a perfect setup to sustain incompetence at the highest level, and may have disastrous consequences.
Utterly bizarre.
bmwmike said:
Drakeford seems to be turning the taps down to avoid vaccination staff getting bored when they run out.
meanwhile the stats do not look good
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vac...
Zero reporting for Sat and Sun probably reflected in that graph, I doubt today will see three days of doses given out in the spike that graph will probably have.meanwhile the stats do not look good
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-covid-vac...
Utterly bizarre doesn’t begin to describe it. Surely when there are many vulnerable and elderly people it is better to use every dose you have, as quickly as you can. There is no need for smoothing, especially if that smoothing is potentially at a cost measured in lives.
Media pressure on this will help. Where is it?
Media pressure on this will help. Where is it?
WindyCommon said:
The news from Wales becomes more odd by the day.
Mentioned in the Senedd on Weds, at the briefing on Friday and is wider news today. Think this also shows the s
te media / focus Wales has on big important issues.robuk said:
To give more info on points raised before the crabby nutter interjected with his latest bullst...
Paul Davies MS:
Diolch, Llywydd. First Minister, the Welsh Government's vaccine strategy has confirmed that 280,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 47,000 of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine have now been received here in Wales, and yet we know that only around 91,000 doses have been administered. And we know, as of yesterday, 2.7 per cent of the population of Wales has been vaccinated, compared to 3 per cent in Scotland and 3.5 per cent in England. Can you explain to the people of Wales why the roll-out of the vaccine has fallen behind other UK nations to date, and can you tell us why you believe this is not a sprint, given that this is a race to actually beat the virus?
Mark Drakeford MS:
Well, Llywydd, the leader of the opposition is right that the race is against the virus, not against any other part of the United Kingdom. That race will be run not over a week, but over months and months ahead. We will still be vaccinating people here in Wales well into the final months of this calendar year, and what I was trying to explain to people is that that will have to be a sustained effort, not something that is just over and done with in a few days or a week. We are going to have to gear up to make sure that we are flat out right across the system to vaccinate the maximum number of people as quickly and as safely as possible. 30
Let me deal with the first point that the leader of the opposition made, Llywydd, to make sure that people understand the position here. We are using every bit of the Oxford vaccine that we get as soon as we get it—22,000 doses last week; we expect 25,000 doses this week; 80,000 and maybe a bit more than that next week; and then a rising, and, let's hope, rapidly rising, volume of supply. With the Pfizer vaccine, we received the majority of those 2,800 doses just around Christmas. They have to last us until the end of the first week of February. They're not given to us to use in a few days; that is the supply Wales has for the whole of January and the first week of February as well. And that's why it would never have been a sensible proposition to have suggested that we should have used the whole of that supply in the first few days.
That supply has to be evened out over the weeks for which it is available, so that we have vaccinators with work to do in every week able to make the very most of that supply. And the Member will remember that, on 31 December, the advice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation changed. At that point, we thought we would have to halve that supply, because we needed to be able to deliver two doses of it to everybody within the time that we had that vaccine to use. On 31 December, that advice was changed, and I think it was the right thing to do. It will save, we think, 10,000 people here in Wales from contracting coronavirus, to be able to use a first dose of that vaccine for people more rapidly. But the reason why it hasn't all been used in the first few days is because it's got to last us for six weeks.
t... Paul Davies MS:
Diolch, Llywydd. First Minister, the Welsh Government's vaccine strategy has confirmed that 280,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine and 47,000 of the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine have now been received here in Wales, and yet we know that only around 91,000 doses have been administered. And we know, as of yesterday, 2.7 per cent of the population of Wales has been vaccinated, compared to 3 per cent in Scotland and 3.5 per cent in England. Can you explain to the people of Wales why the roll-out of the vaccine has fallen behind other UK nations to date, and can you tell us why you believe this is not a sprint, given that this is a race to actually beat the virus?
Mark Drakeford MS:
Well, Llywydd, the leader of the opposition is right that the race is against the virus, not against any other part of the United Kingdom. That race will be run not over a week, but over months and months ahead. We will still be vaccinating people here in Wales well into the final months of this calendar year, and what I was trying to explain to people is that that will have to be a sustained effort, not something that is just over and done with in a few days or a week. We are going to have to gear up to make sure that we are flat out right across the system to vaccinate the maximum number of people as quickly and as safely as possible. 30
Let me deal with the first point that the leader of the opposition made, Llywydd, to make sure that people understand the position here. We are using every bit of the Oxford vaccine that we get as soon as we get it—22,000 doses last week; we expect 25,000 doses this week; 80,000 and maybe a bit more than that next week; and then a rising, and, let's hope, rapidly rising, volume of supply. With the Pfizer vaccine, we received the majority of those 2,800 doses just around Christmas. They have to last us until the end of the first week of February. They're not given to us to use in a few days; that is the supply Wales has for the whole of January and the first week of February as well. And that's why it would never have been a sensible proposition to have suggested that we should have used the whole of that supply in the first few days.
That supply has to be evened out over the weeks for which it is available, so that we have vaccinators with work to do in every week able to make the very most of that supply. And the Member will remember that, on 31 December, the advice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation changed. At that point, we thought we would have to halve that supply, because we needed to be able to deliver two doses of it to everybody within the time that we had that vaccine to use. On 31 December, that advice was changed, and I think it was the right thing to do. It will save, we think, 10,000 people here in Wales from contracting coronavirus, to be able to use a first dose of that vaccine for people more rapidly. But the reason why it hasn't all been used in the first few days is because it's got to last us for six weeks.
So basically, we haven’t got enough of the vaccine, rather than use it all as quickly as we are able to we are going to take our time so we don’t run out?!
The man is an utter disgrace.
Wife’s grandparents have had their first dose (N.Wales), at 88 and 83 odd.
My mother has had hers, NHS worker.
My wife’s mother hasn’t had any communications yet, she survived ovarian / bowel cancer last year so is classed as shielding / vulnerable.
So even with the limited number it is filtering out, roll on April / May.
The man is an utter disgrace.
Wife’s grandparents have had their first dose (N.Wales), at 88 and 83 odd.
My mother has had hers, NHS worker.
My wife’s mother hasn’t had any communications yet, she survived ovarian / bowel cancer last year so is classed as shielding / vulnerable.
So even with the limited number it is filtering out, roll on April / May.
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