Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Lotobear said:
Glimpses of 'good news' around the corner with food price inflation slowing and BoE saying room for 3 interest rate cuts this year. It shouldn't influence anything but I wonder if Keir is becoming a little concerned?
I always said I would never vote Tory again on pain of death, mainly over Covid response and net zero, but as an election looms and the reality of a Labour admin begins to come into view I wonder if many folk might just hold their nose?
...still undecided either way myself, it's certainly going to be very interesting.
I do sometimes wonder how opposition parties think about good news for the country - not so much how they spin it, but how they feel psychologically. On the one hand they are all in politics to make the country a better place, but on the other their job is to make the government look bad. I imagine it is very difficult mentally.I always said I would never vote Tory again on pain of death, mainly over Covid response and net zero, but as an election looms and the reality of a Labour admin begins to come into view I wonder if many folk might just hold their nose?
...still undecided either way myself, it's certainly going to be very interesting.
borcy said:
Anything that happens in Israel is a minefield for Labour. It's going to be a real problem for them to manage when they get back in government. MC Bodge said:
768 said:
Reminded everyone that Labour is a party with an anti-Semitism problem.
Disagreeing with the Israeli government does not equal hating Jewish people, though.If the Conservatives want a foreign policy debate, what would Labour do? They can't be seen to be scared but they also know that Lammy would be torn to shreds by David Cameron.
Maybe they'll bring back David Milliband into the fray, he seems to want it and would definitely be an improvement over Lammy.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/labour/2022/...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/11/29/da...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...
Maybe they'll bring back David Milliband into the fray, he seems to want it and would definitely be an improvement over Lammy.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/labour/2022/...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/11/29/da...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/...
Lotobear said:
Glimpses of 'good news' around the corner with food price inflation slowing and BoE saying room for 3 interest rate cuts this year. It shouldn't influence anything but I wonder if Keir is becoming a little concerned?
I always said I would never vote Tory again on pain of death, mainly over Covid response and net zero, but as an election looms and the reality of a Labour admin begins to come into view I wonder if many folk might just hold their nose?
...still undecided either way myself, it's certainly going to be very interesting.
I voted Conservative at the last three elections and they've lost my vote this time round. I will not be holding my nose and voting for anyone, it will be a good independent or no one, I have precisely zero interest in voting for a 'team'.I always said I would never vote Tory again on pain of death, mainly over Covid response and net zero, but as an election looms and the reality of a Labour admin begins to come into view I wonder if many folk might just hold their nose?
...still undecided either way myself, it's certainly going to be very interesting.
3 IR cuts before Xmas is a bit punchy, but I wouldnt be surprised at 2. I’ve said it before though and I’ll say it again - that’s the gamble Rishi was punting for with the financial strategy from year, however it will be too little, too late to save him.
I suspect it will certainly help cut the poll lead and I can see the hung Parl prediction that many like to make.
I suspect it will certainly help cut the poll lead and I can see the hung Parl prediction that many like to make.
Mr Penguin said:
If the Conservatives want a foreign policy debate, what would Labour do? They can't be seen to be scared but they also know that Lammy would be torn to shreds by David Cameron.
Maybe they'll bring back David Milliband into the fray, he seems to want it and would definitely be an improvement over Lammy.
I don't think the Conservatives can debate their way out of their current predicament, at all. Voting Labour has never been about listening to reason.Maybe they'll bring back David Milliband into the fray, he seems to want it and would definitely be an improvement over Lammy.
President Merkin said:
You little scamps sure are out the traps early today. I would have thought you'd all have decamped to the Rishi thread, foghorning inflation which is definitely the plan working now it's going the right way.
Good of you to join in 
Sir Keir Wobbling will be fine.
DeejRC said:
3 IR cuts before Xmas is a bit punchy, but I wouldnt be surprised at 2. I’ve said it before though and I’ll say it again - that’s the gamble Rishi was punting for with the financial strategy from year, however it will be too little, too late to save him.
I suspect it will certainly help cut the poll lead and I can see the hung Parl prediction that many like to make.
It's still not particularly going to matter by then as it's not going to translate sufficiently into enough people feeling their own circumstances are better by polling time. Sunak in some ways has a similar problem now to Biden - he can bang on about how the economic indicators are showing 'the plan' is working but the voting public are not particularly seeing that benefit in their life and will only remember the past problems..... I suspect it will certainly help cut the poll lead and I can see the hung Parl prediction that many like to make.
isaldiri said:
It's still not particularly going to matter by then as it's not going to translate sufficiently into enough people feeling their own circumstances are better by polling time. Sunak in some ways has a similar problem now to Biden - he can bang on about how the economic indicators are showing 'the plan' is working but the voting public are not particularly seeing that benefit in their life and will only remember the past problems.....
Agreed. Any improvement in economic indicators will be too little too late and won't undo what's happened prior to this year. In my opinion, the Tories are toast and the only issue is the scale of their defeat.Another thing. I know a number of disillusioned Conservative voters whose major complaint is the behaviour of too many Tory ministers and MP's. Not just the incompetence and misinformation during Covid-19, which was bad enough, but the litany of low standards: Boris lying to Parliament, Zahawi's tax affairs, Hancock's infidelity, Chris Pincher, Mark Menzies, Neil 'tractor porn' Parish, William Wragg and Scott Benton to name a few. It's a long list, and has "not fit to govern" running through it.
Hants PHer said:
Agreed. Any improvement in economic indicators will be too little too late and won't undo what's happened prior to this year. In my opinion, the Tories are toast and the only issue is the scale of their defeat.
Another thing. I know a number of disillusioned Conservative voters whose major complaint is the behaviour of too many Tory ministers and MP's. Not just the incompetence and misinformation during Covid-19, which was bad enough, but the litany of low standards: Boris lying to Parliament, Zahawi's tax affairs, Hancock's infidelity, Chris Pincher, Mark Menzies, Neil 'tractor porn' Parish, William Wragg and Scott Benton to name a few. It's a long list, and has "not fit to govern" running through it.
Indeed. The list is far longer than that and many of their more respectable, respected MPs have gone.Another thing. I know a number of disillusioned Conservative voters whose major complaint is the behaviour of too many Tory ministers and MP's. Not just the incompetence and misinformation during Covid-19, which was bad enough, but the litany of low standards: Boris lying to Parliament, Zahawi's tax affairs, Hancock's infidelity, Chris Pincher, Mark Menzies, Neil 'tractor porn' Parish, William Wragg and Scott Benton to name a few. It's a long list, and has "not fit to govern" running through it.
Every time that they wheel out Rees-Mogg, less frequently nowadays, a collective nausea must rise in the population.
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