Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
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steveT350C said:
From the start many have pretended this was a temporary problem due to a civil war in Syria. It is not and the millions seen so far are just the start. Spent last night in Frankfurt, hotel near the Train station. Gangs of immigrant youths on every street corner and genuinely intimidating and scary to walk down the street. Ended up jumping in a cab too and from dinner as it did not feel safe. I am ex forces and have seen some nasty places, this ranked up there with West Belfast on a bad night.
tuffer said:
Spent last night in Frankfurt, hotel near the Train station. Gangs of immigrant youths on every street corner and genuinely intimidating and scary to walk down the street. Ended up jumping in a cab too and from dinner as it did not feel safe. I am ex forces and have seen some nasty places, this ranked up there with West Belfast on a bad night.
Germany is lost. U.K is lost. Europe is over. 
tuffer said:
Spent last night in Frankfurt, hotel near the Train station. Gangs of immigrant youths on every street corner and genuinely intimidating and scary to walk down the street. Ended up jumping in a cab too and from dinner as it did not feel safe. I am ex forces and have seen some nasty places, this ranked up there with West Belfast on a bad night.
I was in Stuttgart last year and the area around the train station had a similar feel, although I have been informed by those familiar with the place that it was never particularly salubrious. Gut feeling though, it looked pretty sketchy.jjlynn27 said:
Gatestone, brought to you by kipperest of them all.
I'd agree re Gatestone (and then some...), but the report in the Bild doesn't say much different - it's pretty old news from April/May I think, based on a German government internal report that was leaked to the Bild - it was in most papers in the UK, probably not the Guardian though, so you may have missed it 
wsurfa said:
jjlynn27 said:
Gatestone, brought to you by kipperest of them all.
I'd agree re Gatestone (and then some...), but the report in the Bild doesn't say much different - it's pretty old news from April/May I think, based on a German government internal report that was leaked to the Bild - it was in most papers in the UK, probably not the Guardian though, so you may have missed it I was living in Germany 12 years ago. In Berlin there were always a lot of homeless youngsters (street kids), some as young as 6, roaming the streets begging for food and money near the main transport hubs. Quite disgustingly, it was known that many of the street kids would take ‘clients’ to a hotel room that charged by the hour. At first I thought they were just begging in groups and conning tourists however I saw the same group of about 15 a couple of days later sleeping rough in the park 
I punished them with a massive order from McDonald’s, at least I knew the food was going to nourish them rather than drugs/ ringleaders.
15 years ago I lived in France. Bordeaux had an obvious sex worker district where drugs and pussy were sold openly. The Champs Elysées in Paris was full of beggars with drugged up kids (friend who was a Gendarme said they were generally Eastern Europeans), and St Denis was not somewhere you’d want to get lost!
Not sure what they’re like now. As a tourist rather than a resident,I prefer to visit small coastal/countryside towns rather than the cities.
Although the above came as a shock to me, I think it’s just big city problems. In the U.K. we know the s
thole areas to avoid in London, Birmingham, Cardiff etc and maybe get used to our city issues so become blind to it. Visit certain parts of Birmingham and you’d think you’re in a 3rd world st hole, visit some parts at night and you’d definitely not feel safe.
I punished them with a massive order from McDonald’s, at least I knew the food was going to nourish them rather than drugs/ ringleaders. 15 years ago I lived in France. Bordeaux had an obvious sex worker district where drugs and pussy were sold openly. The Champs Elysées in Paris was full of beggars with drugged up kids (friend who was a Gendarme said they were generally Eastern Europeans), and St Denis was not somewhere you’d want to get lost!
Not sure what they’re like now. As a tourist rather than a resident,I prefer to visit small coastal/countryside towns rather than the cities.
Although the above came as a shock to me, I think it’s just big city problems. In the U.K. we know the s
thole areas to avoid in London, Birmingham, Cardiff etc and maybe get used to our city issues so become blind to it. Visit certain parts of Birmingham and you’d think you’re in a 3rd world st hole, visit some parts at night and you’d definitely not feel safe.jjlynn27 said:
wsurfa said:
jjlynn27 said:
Gatestone, brought to you by kipperest of them all.
I'd agree re Gatestone (and then some...), but the report in the Bild doesn't say much different - it's pretty old news from April/May I think, based on a German government internal report that was leaked to the Bild - it was in most papers in the UK, probably not the Guardian though, so you may have missed it tuffer said:
Spent last night in Frankfurt, hotel near the Train station. Gangs of immigrant youths on every street corner and genuinely intimidating and scary to walk down the street. Ended up jumping in a cab too and from dinner as it did not feel safe. I am ex forces and have seen some nasty places, this ranked up there with West Belfast on a bad night.
Came back from Cologne last night having gone there on Friday evening.Arrived at the Train Station in the centre of the city at about 11pmish and no signs at all of gangs of immigrants roaming the streets. The odd beggar here and there but nothing you don't see, and haven't seen, in any major city for the last 30+ years.
We walked with a couple we had met on the train from the airport to the Hotel and did not encounter a single 'worrying' individual.
The entire weekend was spent going through Christmas markets (recommended if you like that sort of thing and makes London and Lille's attempts look like a piss poor village fate) and walking through back streets to skirt the crowds as we bypassed the odd market here and there to get to a different one elsewhere in the City.
The only time I even began to I needed to pay a bit of attention to things was on the Saturday night at about midnight when a pissed up Dutchy lurched towards the outside table a couple of us were stood round to ask for a light...
So as said whilst there were a few beggars about (and most looked like they were unlikely to have fitted the Ayran Ideal) it was far from the seething mass of rent boys and pickpockets tales would have lead you to believe you would be confronted by.
Digga said:
I was in Stuttgart last year and the area around the train station had a similar feel, although I have been informed by those familiar with the place that it was never particularly salubrious. Gut feeling though, it looked pretty sketchy.
Train stations are scrote magnets globally.I used to live in Richmond which, overall is a fantastic place. But the station was/is a s
t hole. Jockman said:
Looks like they're trying to speed things up.
115,000 rejected asylum seekers. So far only 8,600 have participated in the return programme.
It would be interesting to see how they go about returning 115,000 people, what process do they have in place, the sheer logistic would be phenomenal.115,000 rejected asylum seekers. So far only 8,600 have participated in the return programme.
Whilst I appreciate they aren't all from the same country, but if they were that is a full jumbo jet every day for a year. If the host country doesn't want them back what happens then ?
They did try to return 300 to Pakistan, who just said no, so Germany kept them, this would have appeared in the stats as 300 rejected and returned, but would they then amend that number when they took them back ?
That assumes of course they know where they all are.
Digga said:
tuffer said:
Spent last night in Frankfurt, hotel near the Train station. Gangs of immigrant youths on every street corner and genuinely intimidating and scary to walk down the street. Ended up jumping in a cab too and from dinner as it did not feel safe. I am ex forces and have seen some nasty places, this ranked up there with West Belfast on a bad night.
I was in Stuttgart last year and the area around the train station had a similar feel, although I have been informed by those familiar with the place that it was never particularly salubrious. Gut feeling though, it looked pretty sketchy.I lived there for nearly 8 years and it was cleaned up alot in that time. The big problem is the Niddastrasse which is still full of heroin and dodgy hookers.
krallicious said:
Digga said:
tuffer said:
Spent last night in Frankfurt, hotel near the Train station. Gangs of immigrant youths on every street corner and genuinely intimidating and scary to walk down the street. Ended up jumping in a cab too and from dinner as it did not feel safe. I am ex forces and have seen some nasty places, this ranked up there with West Belfast on a bad night.
I was in Stuttgart last year and the area around the train station had a similar feel, although I have been informed by those familiar with the place that it was never particularly salubrious. Gut feeling though, it looked pretty sketchy.I lived there for nearly 8 years and it was cleaned up alot in that time. The big problem is the Niddastrasse which is still full of heroin and dodgy hookers.
“Pilots have stopped 222 deportations of asylum seekers from Germany by refusing to take off with them on board.“
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ger...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ger...
del mar said:
242 out of a million, it hardly seems worth making the effort to send them back in the first place.
Would this suggest that the EU deems Afghanistan to be a safe place where people can be returned to ?
Very interesting point.Would this suggest that the EU deems Afghanistan to be a safe place where people can be returned to ?
It would seem that Lufthansa is giving more thought to the matter than the EU. Right now, the abject lack of clear, cohesive and logical immigration and asylum policy is making the EU look chaotic. There is, clearly, no consensus between nations - just look at the struggle with Poland and Hungary as one example.
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