Another dog attack
Discussion
bullywatch said:
There are three key facts about the American Bully
They are Pitbulls: Analysing each pedigree shows that the American Bully is a Pitbull on paper. We believe it is essentially a Pitbull sub-breed, rather than a separate breed in its own right. They are entirely rooted in the lineage of the American Pitbull Terrier, with every individual dog’s ancestry traceable back to registered American Pitbull Terrier and American Staffordshire Bull Terrier. At some point, Mastiff, Bulldog and other breeds may have been mixed in – but papering (the forging of pedigrees) prevents us from knowing for certain. In any case, other breeds are only a small proportion of their current genetic makeup – they are overwhelmingly genetically a Pitbull Type dog.
They are Inbred: The breed’s genetic diversity is relatively limited. All current American Bullies are descendants of a handful of breeders active in the early 1990s. This has resulted in a lineage that stems from a limited number of original dogs. Most American Bully pedigrees show evidence of some inbreeding, with certain influential progenitors even displaying an extreme inbreeding coefficient of 40% or higher.
They are Genetically Aggressive: A significant number of these breeding dogs are kin to those infamous for producing human-aggressive progeny. Despite this alarming lineage, such breeding dogs are extensively utilized in the UK. A case in point is a breeding female known to have produced multiple human-aggressive dogs, one of which fatally attacked its owner. Notably, this particular b
h had fighting dogs in her pedigree going back 6-7 generations. Her progeny is notably popular in the UK.
What is still puzzling was the fact so many have been bred, when the law stated no pit bulls or derivatives of pitbulls. This is simply an in bred pitbull They are Pitbulls: Analysing each pedigree shows that the American Bully is a Pitbull on paper. We believe it is essentially a Pitbull sub-breed, rather than a separate breed in its own right. They are entirely rooted in the lineage of the American Pitbull Terrier, with every individual dog’s ancestry traceable back to registered American Pitbull Terrier and American Staffordshire Bull Terrier. At some point, Mastiff, Bulldog and other breeds may have been mixed in – but papering (the forging of pedigrees) prevents us from knowing for certain. In any case, other breeds are only a small proportion of their current genetic makeup – they are overwhelmingly genetically a Pitbull Type dog.
They are Inbred: The breed’s genetic diversity is relatively limited. All current American Bullies are descendants of a handful of breeders active in the early 1990s. This has resulted in a lineage that stems from a limited number of original dogs. Most American Bully pedigrees show evidence of some inbreeding, with certain influential progenitors even displaying an extreme inbreeding coefficient of 40% or higher.
They are Genetically Aggressive: A significant number of these breeding dogs are kin to those infamous for producing human-aggressive progeny. Despite this alarming lineage, such breeding dogs are extensively utilized in the UK. A case in point is a breeding female known to have produced multiple human-aggressive dogs, one of which fatally attacked its owner. Notably, this particular b
h had fighting dogs in her pedigree going back 6-7 generations. Her progeny is notably popular in the UK.Don Roque said:
They're not one bite dogs, for the most part. However a guy who lives in the same street as my friend had his entire top lip torn off by his XL Bully. However, he said it was just one nip from the dog after he accidentally tripped over on it. Some nip!
You're right though, in most of the attacks I've seen it tends to be prolonged and savage, only being stopped by several gunshots.
That was a trait of “sudden onset rage syndrome”, cocker spaniels could get from the genetic defect they once possessed. Once the trigger in their brain had gone, they typically had to be euthanised. You're right though, in most of the attacks I've seen it tends to be prolonged and savage, only being stopped by several gunshots.
Don Roque said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
The most terrifying thing for me is that once these good as gold angels flip, they never stop until it's victim or itself is dead. It's never a singular bite is it.
They're not one bite dogs, for the most part. However a guy who lives in the same street as my friend had his entire top lip torn off by his XL Bully. However, he said it was just one nip from the dog after he accidentally tripped over on it. Some nip! You're right though, in most of the attacks I've seen it tends to be prolonged and savage, only being stopped by several gunshots.
m4tti said:
That was a trait of “sudden onset rage syndrome”, cocker spaniels could get from the genetic defect they once possessed. Once the trigger in their brain had gone, they typically had to be euthanised.
A friends cocker spaniel went for their daughter after suddenly flipping. It locked onto her leg and didn't want to let do and ended up with the dog having to be PTS. I'm a bit torn as she was a lovely dog, but starved of attention and exercise and was obviously stressed all the time. The owners definitely contributed to the attack in my opinion, although as you say, the trigger just went. J4CKO said:
What is it with women buying a pair of land sharks ?
I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
It's the two types of owner you see. The wannabe gangster (drives an older debadged black Mercedes with 90% tints all round and 4D plates) OR the girl in her 20/30s who thinks they are misunderstood and downtrodden (both her and the dog) and gets one to prove everybody wrong.I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
Gareth79 said:
J4CKO said:
What is it with women buying a pair of land sharks ?
I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
It's the two types of owner you see. The wannabe gangster (drives an older debadged black Mercedes with 90% tints all round and 4D plates) OR the girl in her 20/30s who thinks they are misunderstood and downtrodden (both her and the dog) and gets one to prove everybody wrong.I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
119 said:
Gareth79 said:
J4CKO said:
What is it with women buying a pair of land sharks ?
I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
It's the two types of owner you see. The wannabe gangster (drives an older debadged black Mercedes with 90% tints all round and 4D plates) OR the girl in her 20/30s who thinks they are misunderstood and downtrodden (both her and the dog) and gets one to prove everybody wrong.I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
bmwmike said:
119 said:
Gareth79 said:
J4CKO said:
What is it with women buying a pair of land sharks ?
I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
It's the two types of owner you see. The wannabe gangster (drives an older debadged black Mercedes with 90% tints all round and 4D plates) OR the girl in her 20/30s who thinks they are misunderstood and downtrodden (both her and the dog) and gets one to prove everybody wrong.I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
Red9zero said:
m4tti said:
That was a trait of “sudden onset rage syndrome”, cocker spaniels could get from the genetic defect they once possessed. Once the trigger in their brain had gone, they typically had to be euthanised.
A friends cocker spaniel went for their daughter after suddenly flipping. It locked onto her leg and didn't want to let do and ended up with the dog having to be PTS. I'm a bit torn as she was a lovely dog, but starved of attention and exercise and was obviously stressed all the time. The owners definitely contributed to the attack in my opinion, although as you say, the trigger just went. t being cooped up bored out of their skulls unfortunately. 
isaldiri said:
In that case, I'm going to have to say rather than a true case of 'cocker rage' I'd be pointing the finger at the owner not providing the spaniel with enough attention and exercise that triggered that stress related attack. GIven spaniels (particularly working ones) are very high energy and need a lot of mental stimulation, tbh I'd also wonder how many cases of cocker rage are actually cases of the dogs going a bit batst being cooped up bored out of their skulls unfortunately.
The majority, as cocker spaniels have been screened for the defective gene, which causes it, for some time now. t being cooped up bored out of their skulls unfortunately. J4CKO said:
irc said:
Another XL bully owner seriously injured by her dogs. Maybe I,m a bad person but I can't find any sympathy for her. It isn't just their own family these owners out at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
What is it with women buying a pair of land sharks ?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
I thought it was mainly mentally unstable, jobless "uncles" that get one to look well hard and try and get some status ?
What woman thinks "I would like a dog, tell you what I will get a 60 kilo killing machine, no sod that, I shall get a pair of them as one might not be sufficient to eviscerate me completely if I sneeze, look at them funny or something"
Dont think anyone should have these really, not trying to be sexist here but its true that women, on average arent as strong so getting something so powerful is foolish for anyone, but a woman getting two seems so stupid.
Suppose at least that, however unfortunate its the owners copping for their own poor choices rather than someone that isnt involved.
To sum up, they think that wandering around their neighbourhood with a couple of giant, killer dogs makes people look up to them, a mixture of fear and admiration.
The reality is that most people see them as low life, dangerous scum.
m4tti said:
irc said:
Another XL bully owner seriously injured by her dogs. Maybe I,m a bad person but I can't find any sympathy for her. It isn't just their own family these owners out at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
As per that Bullywatch link I posted, these will just keep happening… it’s amazing the owners haven’t made any effort to understand what’s potentially behind the ongoing problem https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
andyA700 said:
m4tti said:
irc said:
Another XL bully owner seriously injured by her dogs. Maybe I,m a bad person but I can't find any sympathy for her. It isn't just their own family these owners out at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
As per that Bullywatch link I posted, these will just keep happening… it’s amazing the owners haven’t made any effort to understand what’s potentially behind the ongoing problem https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
andyA700 said:
We are of course, assuming that their thinking patterns are the same as ours, which they very much are not. Whether, they are male or female, they are likely to be very loud, low intelligence, addicted to social media, lack self reflection, therefore see nothing wrong in their lifestyle choices and behaviour.
To sum up, they think that wandering around their neighbourhood with a couple of giant, killer dogs makes people look up to them, a mixture of fear and admiration.
The reality is that most people see them as low life, dangerous scum.
I thought for a minute you were talking about immigrant and Brexit threads in NP&ETo sum up, they think that wandering around their neighbourhood with a couple of giant, killer dogs makes people look up to them, a mixture of fear and admiration.
The reality is that most people see them as low life, dangerous scum.
m4tti said:
irc said:
Another XL bully owner seriously injured by her dogs. Maybe I,m a bad person but I can't find any sympathy for her. It isn't just their own family these owners out at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
As per that Bullywatch link I posted, these will just keep happening… it’s amazing the owners haven’t made any effort to understand what’s potentially behind the ongoing problem https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2vvgx1y1x8o
Article that m4tti posted
https://bullywatch.link/2023/08/01/finding-kimbo/#...
andyA700 said:
We are of course, assuming that their thinking patterns are the same as ours, which they very much are not. Whether, they are male or female, they are likely to be very loud, low intelligence, addicted to social media, lack self reflection, therefore see nothing wrong in their lifestyle choices and behaviour.
To sum up, they think that wandering around their neighbourhood with a couple of giant, killer dogs makes people look up to them, a mixture of fear and admiration.
The reality is that most people see them as low life, dangerous scum.
Some may find this summary harsh, however pretty much every case that’s in the media reflects it. To sum up, they think that wandering around their neighbourhood with a couple of giant, killer dogs makes people look up to them, a mixture of fear and admiration.
The reality is that most people see them as low life, dangerous scum.
How many of these incidents ever happen in a detached house in “leafy rural” Surrey. Don’t think I’ve seen one.
The majority have occurred on the peripheries of cities or areas of deprivation.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1ejjz3jv5xo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-689495...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-688...
There’s a pattern with all of these cases
Another interesting fact is that if you do a search on bbc news for “xl bully”, 29 pages are returned.
There’s a significant number of attacks that don’t result in a death, which don’t even make the front page now.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=Xl+bully&seqId=...
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