45th President of the United States, Donald Trump.

[Halmyre]

Balmoral said:

5ohmustang said:

I would reverse the last 8 years, stop all foreign funding, nation building, military presence(bar South Korea), build the wall and deploy Active duty forces to the southern border. Cut off all federal funding to sanctuary cities. Stop all immigration, clear out the backlog,the rewrite the immigration laws to make it easier for qualified people to come here. At the same time deporting all illegals, whether their home country wants them back or not. We are the USA and we have the power to do this. If someone does not like this then get the hell out of the USA.

I love this!

'merica! fk yeah!

I suspect 5ohpoontang is not playing with a full deck.

[5ohmustang]

Halmyre said:

I suspect 5ohpoontang is not playing with a full deck.

That was the watered down version.

[B'stard Child]

Halmyre said:

Balmoral said:

5ohmustang said:

I would reverse the last 8 years, stop all foreign funding, nation building, military presence(bar South Korea), build the wall and deploy Active duty forces to the southern border. Cut off all federal funding to sanctuary cities. Stop all immigration, clear out the backlog,the rewrite the immigration laws to make it easier for qualified people to come here. At the same time deporting all illegals, whether their home country wants them back or not. We are the USA and we have the power to do this. If someone does not like this then get the hell out of the USA.

I love this!

'merica! fk yeah!

I suspect 5ohpoontang is not playing with a full deck.

I would suggest that you are looking at his posts as a non 'merican

[Jimbeaux]

dvs_dave said:

Halmyre said:

5ohmustang said:

Countdown said:

There are a lot of exceptionally thick people who still believe Obama was "Muslim". Trump led them by the nose.

Your Marxist dream is over buddy. Let it go.

'Marxist'. PMSL.

Meanwhile, your Trumpist nightmare is just beginning.

He'll do nothing for the Country Trumpkins with their meth and painkiller addictions who all voted him in.

Oh my, another stereotyping idiot; the perfect example why HRC lost.

[walm]

johnfm said:

So you're happy to accept Trump's direct lies and bullst, but no indirect lies and bullst from the media?

Absolutely.
The media should be held to a higher standard than a President-elect.

[johnfm]

walm said:

johnfm said:

So you're happy to accept Trump's direct lies and bullst, but no indirect lies and bullst from the media?

Absolutely.
The media should be held to a higher standard than a President-elect.

Not sure if serious. Sounds like a post that requires a after it.

[walm]

johnfm said:

walm said:

johnfm said:

So you're happy to accept Trump's direct lies and bullst, but no indirect lies and bullst from the media?

Absolutely.
The media should be held to a higher standard than a President-elect.

Not sure if serious. Sounds like a post that requires a after it.

Good point.
Sorry.
More winky smilies needed.

[Halmyre]

5ohmustang said:

Halmyre said:

I suspect 5ohpoontang is not playing with a full deck.

That was the watered down version.

That's not the only thing that's been watered down it seems.

[Jimbeaux]

minimoog said:

turbobloke said:

That's popularity and democracy for you, as don4l rightly pointed out.

In that case Obama's election in 2012 was a victory for populism, right? As was HRC's winning of the popular vote this time round. Agreed?

Let's understand a couple of things. The popular vote has never been used alone to elect a POTUS in over two centuries. We are a collection of states, not a pool of one. Therefore, each state requires individual representation. To that end, the 30 / 50 states Trump won, he won the popular vote of those jurisdictions. The popular vote excess of HRC can be found in the two cities of Los Angeles & New York alone. Allowing two coastal cities to decide each election is not equally representative of 50 jurisdictions, thus the founding fathers' wisdom of the electoral college.
So, any further blabbering of "popular vote", on a nationwide scale is about as relevant as how short your man tackle is in reference to the maximum effective range of an excuse.

[Jimbeaux]

Tryke3 said:

pim said:

Ex MI5 boy on the run.

Let's hope this clever comedian hasn't cost us to many deals with the U.S.A.

He might do a Assange before the yanks get him.>

What a bell you are

It's true, he himself stated he was ducking and dodging from his London home claiming he may be on the Russians, etc. hit list. He was MI-6 though, not MI-5.

[Northern Munkee]

On the subject of the Clintons and overlooked due to the lack of pissing, have listen to this about about the Ukraine's involvement with the US election working with the Clintons to get dirt on Trump and Russia. Outscooped on the day due to the urine and the confirmation bias in hating Trump.

It doesn't make it right just because you hate Trump http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabo...

Journalist discusses it hear along with why they didn't run the 35page dirty dossier

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/politicos-nerd...

Irony is the US we're meddling in the Ukrainian election. What goes around comes around.

[Stickyfinger]

In the USA as with the BBC and a lot of other media, it has been the switch to "Reporters" passing off their personal politics and beliefs as "honest independent assessment" that has led to the present mistrust of the media.

Mainstream media has really shot itself in the foot. Trump just tells them to ps off, May just tells them bugger all, the world has moved on and they have no clue what to do about it.

[scherzkeks]

Countdown said:

scherzkeks said:

Yep, I was on here calling him guilty from the beginning. Amazing how similar feelings come back when discussing the mainstream propaganda machine. NYT did pledge to "rededicate itself to the facts" though.

Watching the CNN hack try to interrupt the pres. elect was the watershed moment, however. They know it is over.

Indeed. Following that debacle the PEOTUS is stronger than ever and the MSM has been wholly discredited. Nothing makes #MAGA more true or brings more dignity to the White House than suggestions that the President Elect engaged in watersports with Russian hookers.....

The MSM discredited themselves long ago -- back when you were no doubt ranting about Niger yellow cake and babies being torn from incubators. Now it's Trump peeing on Obama's bed.

Sometimes I think Kissinger was right about useless eaters.

[Jimbeaux]

Countdown said:

pim said:

Ex MI5 boy on the run.

Let's hope this clever comedian hasn't cost us to many deals with the U.S.A.

He might do a Assange before the yanks get him.>

Everybody who knows him or has worked with him seems to rate him quite highly.

Andrew Wordsworth, another ex MI-6er with a private firm disagrees on this occasion. He states; "It would not make sense for Russian intel to leak information to a former British spy; they believe once an agent, always an agent". He further stated that; "This dossier is too good, too complete. If the CIA Director himself produced this, no credible intel unit would believe him. These documents are very unconvincing".

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 13th January 16:02

[B'stard Child]

Stickyfinger said:

In the USA as with the BBC and a lot of other media, it has been the switch to "Reporters" passing off their personal politics and beliefs as "honest independent assessment" that has led to the present mistrust of the media.

Mainstream media has really shot itself in the foot. Trump just tells them to ps off, May just tells them bugger all, the world has moved on and they have no clue what to do about it.

They do what they can do - bit like Mrs BC - she doesn't like silence so she fills the void with conversation (one way) - the media do the same, they fill the vacuum and that's when they impart their own personal/corporate views/agendas as facts.

[Halmyre]

don4l said:

5ohmustang said:

Your Marxist dream is over buddy. Let it go.

The funny thing is that people appear to be losing respect for democracy.

The news is full of reports that moves are already afoot to impeach Trump.

In the UK, many people tried to reject the Brexit result.

People are complaining about "populism". That is just a loser's word for "democracy".

No it isn't. Populism is a used-car salesman yelling "vote for me and get free cars for everyone". Some people say "wow, free cars" and vote for him. Meanwhile some people say "wait a minute, how is this guy paying for these cars? plus, I don't actually see any cars on the forecourt in th first place". One of these concepts is populism and one is democracy. You have to engage with the process, not just behave like a dog chasing a stick. Or even chasing a car.

[Jimbeaux]

Efbe said:

5ohmustang said:

stuff

Genuine question for someone that is in the US, and not swayed by the foreign media reporting, and also someone that is a trump supporter.

How do you feel his handling of (all of them) situations is going?
I am much more used to seeing leaders only sending out measured, and thoroughly checked messages through their media relations teams. What do you think of his use of twitter?

If you happened to see the hearings for his cabinet selections, some answers may have been evident. The SOS & SEC DEF nominees spoke both of Russia being responsible for hacking the DNC as well as Russia being bent on breaking up NATO. These statements are not in line with Trump's tweets, etc. This has been going on for weeks now. Of course Trump and these people are in contact and they are very well aware that what they are saying is not 100% in line with what he is saying. Two things may be in play here:

1) Unlike the MSM would have you believe, Trump is known to seek out the best in their field and take their advice; he does not, nor has he ever surrounded himself with "yes men".

2) He may be playing the "Bad cop, good cop" routine. His tweets are designed to rattle certain chains and cause intended angst, allowing his cabinet to be the good cop and capitalize upon the cooperation that that angst produced. It has been effective thus far as a "Pre POTUS".

[turbobloke]

Stickyfinger said:

In the USA as with the BBC and a lot of other media, it has been the switch to "Reporters" passing off their personal politics and beliefs as "honest independent assessment" that has led to the present mistrust of the media.

[Countdown]

scherzkeks said:

The MSM discredited themselves long ago -- back when you were no doubt ranting about Niger yellow cake and babies being torn from incubators. Now it's Trump peeing on Obama's bed.

I don't think they did. Even back then there were lots of media sources who knew that the stuff being reported about WMD was b0110x. That's why 2m people marched in London against GW2. It was mainly the wingnut element of the media that portrayed the Yellowcake evidence as some sort of proof.

Tarring the entire media with the MSM tag is silly, to put it mildly, because they all have different viewpoints and agendas. However when they are ALL saying pretty much the same thing then that tells you something. Umpalatable as it may be for you.

[Countdown]

Jimbeaux said:

Countdown said:

pim said:

Ex MI5 boy on the run.

Let's hope this clever comedian hasn't cost us to many deals with the U.S.A.

He might do a Assange before the yanks get him.>

Everybody who knows him or has worked with him seems to rate him quite highly.

Andrew Wordsworth, another ex MI-6er with a private firm disagrees on this occasion. He states; "It would not make sense for Russian intel to leak information to a former British spy; they believe once an agent, always an agent". He further stated that; "This dossier is too good, too complete. If the CIA Director himself produced this, no credible intel unit would believe him. These documents are very unconvincing".

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 13th January 16:02

Andrew Wordsworth doesn't actually seem to be talking about Christopher Steele so I'm not sure how exactly he "disagrees" with my statement.

He says Russian Intel wouldn't leak information to a British spy. Well, no, not officially they wouldn't. However I'm going to hazard a guess that the main objective a former MI6 operative was to identify and recruit "spies" within Russian Intel who KNEW he worked for MI6 and were PREPARED to leak information. That's how this spying malarkey works.