Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

[S600BSB]

MC Bodge said:

turbobloke said:

The sudden influx is your convenient imagination at work. Prominence is irrelevant in an open democracy as views are individual and lawfully expressed views have no limits on prominence. Wannabe censors are the problem, not the Moggs.

Are you currently employed by the Tories or Russia?

Don’t be too hard on him!

[AstonZagato]

MC Bodge said:

bhstewie said:

MC Bodge said:

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"Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says he is "completely opposed" to abortion, including in cases of rape or incest."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk...


The man is far too prominent. The sudden influx "diversity enthusiasts" on here is wonderful, of course. I'm not quite sure what sort of diversity JRM represents, though.

Funny thing is all the cap doffers would have a completely different view on that st about thinking someone raped by their own father should have the baby if a brown guy called Mohammed said it.

Are you suggesting that their enthusiasm for "diversity" has a fairly narrow scope?

I think the inverse is also true. Those defending an Islamic fundamentalist's religious beliefs on divorce, child marriage, etc would not support JRM's religious views. Personally I think religious beliefs have no place in the formation of our laws other than generally accepted moral norms.

[MC Bodge]

AstonZagato said:

I think the inverse is also true. Those defending an Islamic fundamentalist's religious beliefs on divorce, child marriage, etc would not support JRM's religious views. Personally I think religious beliefs have no place in the formation of our laws other than generally accepted moral norms.

On the contrary, the islamic fundamentalist would probably agree with much of JRM's fundamentalist catholicism.

Stewie was refering to the Tory apologists.

[Mr Penguin]

MC Bodge said:

On the contrary, the islamic fundamentalist would probably agree with much of JRM's fundamentalist catholicism.

Stewie was refering to the Tory apologists.

No, because religious fundamentalists put the mental in fundamental and disagree over labels, let alone doctrine.

[Mr Penguin]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/22/la...

He's managed to avoid coverage of this after Rishi's soggy start, but this is basic stuff to include on an important video.

[119]

Mr Penguin said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/05/22/la...

He's managed to avoid coverage of this after Rishi's soggy start, but this is basic stuff to include on an important video.

We are talking Labour don't forget.

What i am finding odd, is that he has nothing really that positive to say about anything.

"Labour to cut energy bills by £400"

After spending billions.

Uh-huh.

Edited by 119 on Friday 24th May 08:05

[Hants PHer]

Sir Keir was on LBC this morning; I thought he was very unconvincing. He seemed vague about what Great British Energy would actually do. He swerved the question about job losses in Scotland if new North Sea licences are not approved. And he mumbled and stuttered his way through his answer when asked "Why have you welcomed Natalie Elphick to the Labour Party whilst Diane Abbott remains suspended?" Unimpressive.

[JagLover]

Hants PHer said:

Sir Keir was on LBC this morning; I thought he was very unconvincing. He seemed vague about what Great British Energy would actually do. He swerved the question about job losses in Scotland if new North Sea licences are not approved. And he mumbled and stuttered his way through his answer when asked "Why have you welcomed Natalie Elphick to the Labour Party whilst Diane Abbott remains suspended?" Unimpressive.

He could go and sit on a beach somewhere for the duration of the campaign and probably still win a big majority so however impressive he may be is fairly irrelevant imo.

[Mr Penguin]

119 said:

We are talking Labour don't forget.

What i am finding odd, is that he has nothing really that positive to say about anything.

"Labour to cut energy bills by £400"

After spending billions.

Uh-huh.

Edited by 119 on Friday 24th May 08:05

"Britain is broken, let's do nothing about it" is less inspiring than "Britain is not at it's best but we are turning the corner"

[anonymoususer]

I heard this expression some years ago in relation to another politician/ election. I can't remember which one - sorry.

Keir is holding a vase. All he really has to do is to keep hold of that vase and walk it across the floor. He needs to walk carefully and must not drop it.

[Puddenchucker]

I see Corbyn is to stand against Labour in the GE. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c288xxvrdz7o
If this prompts a few of his acolytes within the Labour party to follow his lead and leave, it may make Labour more electable.

[Mr Penguin]

Labour plan to give 16 year olds the vote ASAP. Why?

One senior Labour source said: “It [the policy] has the double benefit of not costing very much to do but of helping secure a second Labour term.”

[Killer2005]

Mr Penguin said:

Labour plan to give 16 year olds the vote ASAP. Why?

One senior Labour source said: “It [the policy] has the double benefit of not costing very much to do but of helping secure a second Labour term.”

The young tend to be more left leaning and therefore more Labour voters.

[philv]

Mr Penguin said:

Labour plan to give 16 year olds the vote ASAP. Why?

One senior Labour source said: “It [the policy] has the double benefit of not costing very much to do but of helping secure a second Labour term.”

Basically rigging future elections.
Changing the system to ensure you stay in power.

Anyone who doesn't see the danger in that deserves to live in a country where that sort of thing leads.

[hidetheelephants]

Mr Penguin said:

Labour plan to give 16 year olds the vote ASAP. Why?

One senior Labour source said: “It [the policy] has the double benefit of not costing very much to do but of helping secure a second Labour term.”

What's the justification? If it isn't attached to commitment to the constitutional reform the UK desperately needs it's a cheap gimmick at best.

[MC Bodge]

philv said:

Basically rigging future elections.
Changing the system to ensure you stay in power.

Something that the incumbents would never have attempted...

This is why a proper PR system will not be introduced in the UK.

[S600BSB]

hidetheelephants said:

Mr Penguin said:

Labour plan to give 16 year olds the vote ASAP. Why?

One senior Labour source said: “It [the policy] has the double benefit of not costing very much to do but of helping secure a second Labour term.”

What's the justification? If it isn't attached to commitment to the constitutional reform the UK desperately needs it's a cheap gimmick at best.

Should have happened years ago - brings into line with the Scottish parliamentary elections.

[frisbee]

philv said:

Basically rigging future elections.
Changing the system to ensure you stay in power.

Anyone who doesn't see the danger in that deserves to live in a country where that sort of thing leads.

A country where young people take an interest in politics and play an active part in deciding it's future?

[Sway]

frisbee said:

philv said:

Basically rigging future elections.
Changing the system to ensure you stay in power.

Anyone who doesn't see the danger in that deserves to live in a country where that sort of thing leads.

A country where young people take an interest in politics and play an active part in deciding it's future?

[Mr Penguin]

S600BSB said:

Should have happened years ago - brings into line with the Scottish parliamentary elections.

And means that children who are not yet mature enough to smoke or get married or even work full time are mature enough to vote. It's obviously only because they give Labour more votes.