Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader

[powerstroke]

Cold said:

Did anyone else quite like the small period of time between the election and just recently when Labour were quiet? It was refreshing not to have to endure all this type of nonsense.

Yep .. and am really glad I'm on the centre right , It must be really st to see all the proponants of left wing ideology fail to make
the Ideology you voted for work in practice!! ,voting for Starmer will just prove again socialist ideas are only good on paper !!
Starmer is just the latest labour turd to be coated in glitter ..... still a turd however ...

[jakesmith]

Dont like rolls said:

jakesmith said:

Sure, as my points are easy to follow and logical, why not avoid actually responding to them or accepting you’re talking nonsense as usual

How can I follow them, they are vapour. All we know is he stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn supporting everything he stood for and was recommending all of us to do the same.

The man is dishonest or and opportunist with no moral backbone or principles....most likely all four, that is quite a record of horrifying proportions even for a modern politician.

You’d be very disappointed if you learned a bit about politics I’m afraid as you’d discover that this is how the sucessful ones typically work.

Rather than just shouting out whatever is on their mind, it involves a longer term strategy a bit like a game called ‘chess’ where you think a few moves ahead.

An example is another politician called Boris Johnson who manufactured a scenario called ‘Brexit’ (;which may have unpredictable economic consequences on the country) in order to become leader of another party called ‘The Conservatives’, they’re the ones in charge at the moment.

[zygalski]

Exactly.
You could say the same of Gove and Johnson.
Or half the previous Tory front bench and Johnson...

[anonymous-user]

Dont like rolls said:

How can I follow them, they are vapour. All we know is he stood shoulder to shoulder with Corbyn supporting everything he stood for and was recommending all of us to do the same.

The man is dishonest or and opportunist with no moral backbone or principles....most likely all four, that is quite a record of horrifying proportions even for a modern politician.

Up until the election Starmer was part of a team lead by Corbyn. It would be very unusual to be part of a team and not openly support the team and it's leadership.

When the election was lost, Corbyn stood down. He was not stabbed in the back, he chose to leave.

I am struggle to see where there is dishonesty in Starmer's decision to stand for leader? It is to be inferred that, having seen Corbyn lose an election and, putting his hat in the ring to be the person responsible for getting the party elected, Starmer believes he can do a better job of it. There is no hypocrisy or dishonesty in that, is there?

[Monkeylegend]

janesmith1950 said:

When the election was lost, Corbyn stood down. He was not stabbed in the back, he chose to leave.

[AmitG]

Monkeylegend said:

janesmith1950 said:

When the election was lost, Corbyn stood down. He was not stabbed in the back, he chose to leave.

But it's true, isn't it? He announced that he would stand down and ask the party to start the leadership process.

I am sure that if he announced an intention to stay on, someone would have stabbed him. And of course lots of MPs were scathing about him after the result came in. And you could argue over whether he should have gone quicker.

But nobody stabbed him in the back, a la Heseltine/Thatcher.

[jakesmith]

Monkeylegend said:

janesmith1950 said:

When the election was lost, Corbyn stood down. He was not stabbed in the back, he chose to leave.

As you have been unable to express yourself with anything other than the buffoonery of an emoji I will assume you are referring to the insurrection & undermining of Corbyn's leadership of the party. I would point out if this is the case 2 things:

1) Party leaders that are doing well do not typically face this problem
2) Party leaders that overwhelmingly lose a vote of no confidence from their party should stand down
3) Corbyn himself has spent his entire career undermining the leadership of his own party at each & every opportunity and has absolutely no right to expect any loyalty whatsoever once roles reversed. He voted against the Labour whip more than any other MP in history

[williamp]

No he didnt. He claimed to have won...

It took a SECOND election defeat before he- this time claiming he won the argument- to back down. Some people are still grieving..

[jakesmith]

williamp said:

No he didnt. He claimed to have won...

It took a SECOND election defeat before he- this time claiming he won the argument- to back down. Some people are still grieving..

He did win the argument though - he just didn't convert it into votes. Also, the government's emergency response to CV which involves large scale public spending on essential things like slowing unemployment growth, proves that Corbyn was right to want to do large scale public spending on non vital items like the women's pension bribe and free broadband

[Monkeylegend]

williamp said:

No he didnt. He claimed to have won...

It took a SECOND election defeat before he- this time claiming he won the argument- to back down. Some people are still grieving..

Forget the emoji buffoonery, this is the truth

[SpeckledJim]

jakesmith said:

williamp said:

No he didnt. He claimed to have won...

It took a SECOND election defeat before he- this time claiming he won the argument- to back down. Some people are still grieving..

He did win the argument though - he just didn't convert it into votes. Also, the government's emergency response to CV which involves large scale public spending on essential things like slowing unemployment growth, proves that Corbyn was right to want to do large scale public spending on non vital items like the women's pension bribe and free broadband

Isn’t the winner of the argument the one who gets the most votes?

By what other metric are we to judge the success of the argument if not votes? It’s an election.

[Mrr T]

AmitG said:

But it's true, isn't it? He announced that he would stand down and ask the party to start the leadership process.

I am sure that if he announced an intention to stay on, someone would have stabbed him. And of course lots of MPs were scathing about him after the result came in. And you could argue over whether he should have gone quicker.

But nobody stabbed him in the back, a la Heseltine/Thatcher.

Can I suggest in terms of stabbing a leader in the back old Hassa is an amateur compared to most of the current government front bench.

[SpeckledJim]

Mrr T said:

AmitG said:

But it's true, isn't it? He announced that he would stand down and ask the party to start the leadership process.

I am sure that if he announced an intention to stay on, someone would have stabbed him. And of course lots of MPs were scathing about him after the result came in. And you could argue over whether he should have gone quicker.

But nobody stabbed him in the back, a la Heseltine/Thatcher.

Can I suggest in terms of stabbing a leader in the back old Hassa is an amateur compared to most of the current government front bench.

Defenestrating May would have been an act of compassion and mercy.

Edited by SpeckledJim on Saturday 11th April 12:58

[jakesmith]

SpeckledJim said:

jakesmith said:

williamp said:

No he didnt. He claimed to have won...

It took a SECOND election defeat before he- this time claiming he won the argument- to back down. Some people are still grieving..

He did win the argument though - he just didn't convert it into votes. Also, the government's emergency response to CV which involves large scale public spending on essential things like slowing unemployment growth, proves that Corbyn was right to want to do large scale public spending on non vital items like the women's pension bribe and free broadband

Isn’t the winner of the argument the one who gets the most votes?

By what other metric are we to judge the success of the argument if not votes? It’s an election.

You need to stop seeing things as so binary - after all you can now be a man and a woman in the same day, according to Labour, maybe you simply don't understand it like many voters in the UK who are thick and do what the Sun newspaper (circulation 1.2m) tells them to do, costing Labour the chance to radically reform the country and transform it back to the good old days of the 1970's (when we had to approach the IMF for a bailout).

If Corbyn didn't win the argument on December 12th then who bloody well did? And, here I have evidenced it and no it isn't from Wikipedia before you try and discredit it

We won the argument, but I regret we didn’t convert that into a majority for change
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/w...

[Wombat3]

jakesmith said:

williamp said:

No he didnt. He claimed to have won...

It took a SECOND election defeat before he- this time claiming he won the argument- to back down. Some people are still grieving..

He did win the argument though - he just didn't convert it into votes. Also, the government's emergency response to CV which involves large scale public spending on essential things like slowing unemployment growth, proves that Corbyn was right to want to do large scale public spending on non vital items like the women's pension bribe and free broadband

Not sure if serious....

If you cant understand the difference between what's going on now and what Corbyn was proposing to do to the economy voluntarily as some kind of mad socialist experiment, then economics & financial management are not the fields for you!

[andy_s]

Wombat3 said:

jakesmith said:

williamp said:

No he didnt. He claimed to have won...

It took a SECOND election defeat before he- this time claiming he won the argument- to back down. Some people are still grieving..

He did win the argument though - he just didn't convert it into votes. Also, the government's emergency response to CV which involves large scale public spending on essential things like slowing unemployment growth, proves that Corbyn was right to want to do large scale public spending on non vital items like the women's pension bribe and free broadband

Not sure if serious....

If you cant understand the difference between what's going on now and what Corbyn was proposing to do to the economy voluntarily as some kind of mad socialist experiment, then economics & financial management are not the fields for you!

Not serious...

[Mrr T]

SpeckledJim said:

Mrr T said:

AmitG said:

But it's true, isn't it? He announced that he would stand down and ask the party to start the leadership process.

I am sure that if he announced an intention to stay on, someone would have stabbed him. And of course lots of MPs were scathing about him after the result came in. And you could argue over whether he should have gone quicker.

But nobody stabbed him in the back, a la Heseltine/Thatcher.

Can I suggest in terms of stabbing a leader in the back old Hassa is an amateur compared to most of the current government front bench.

Defenestrating May would have been at a time of compassion and mercy.

She may not agree with you.

[gizlaroc]

768 said:

I'm sure Labour wouldn't touch Brexit with a bargepole again, it's been so toxic for them. Can you imagine if the newly shuffled cabinet started banging on about a jobs first Brexitdesperately needed cooperation with the EU as soon as they got their foot in the door with all this going on?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52231341

Starmer said that Labour lost because their voters didn't like Corbyn's policies and we as a party didn't listen to the people on Brexit.

He will put together a cabinet that can see what the people want.

His front bench...

Starmer - Remain
Dodds - Remain
Rayner - Remain
Nandy - Remain
Lammy - Remain
Thornberry - Remain
Miliband - Remain
Long-Bailey - Remain
Thomas Symonds - Remain
Healey -Remain
Ashworth - Remain

[Mrr T]

gizlaroc said:

Starmer said that Labour lost because their voters didn't like Corbyn's policies and we as a party didn't listen to the people on Brexit.

He will put together a cabinet that can see what the people want.

His front bench...

Starmer - Remain
Dodds - Remain
Rayner - Remain
Nandy - Remain
Lammy - Remain
Thornberry - Remain
Miliband - Remain
Long-Bailey - Remain
Thomas Symonds - Remain
Healey -Remain
Ashworth - Remain

You do understand the UK has left the EU. By the time of the next election we will all have some ideas of the affects.

[768]

Mrr T said:

You do understand the UK has left the EU.

It wasn't him who picked a remain cabinet.