How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 15)

[amusingduck]

Forget soy sauce, what about Kewpie mayo

[gooner1]

silentbrown said:

gruffalo said:

Apparently Kikkoman is the top brand of soy sauce and it is indeed Japanese.

Japanese brand, but produced in the Netherlands, USA, Singapore, Japan,etc...

What’s it like with fish, asking for a french friend?

[silentbrown]

gooner1 said:

What’s it like with fish, asking for a french friend?

Probably goes better with the 100 kilotonnes of cod we import every year. We're putting 12% import tariffs on that, IIRC?

[rigga]

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Bloomberg is reporting positive news from the UK-EU future relationship discussion this afternoon as word leaks the two sides have begun working on the text of an agreement on level playing field issues, and are close to finalising a joint document covering state aid. It’s also reported both sides are closer to deciding essential aspects of how any deal will be enforced.

The soundings bode well for Thursday when negotiations will move to Brussels where attempts will be made to narrow the remaining difference sufficiently by November the 3rd when the ball will be thrown back to Boris and von der Leyen to finalise a final compromise. Macron yet to budge on fishing…

https://order-order.com/2020/10/28/negotiating-pro...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-28...

Yes, as I posted yesterday, some significant concessions made by the UK is the we rumour coming out of Ireland. Let’s hope a deal can be done.

Did this rumour you heard emanate from the same source who told you that Gove was going to resign amid the leadership contest last summer when there was the furore over Gove's drug taking shenanigans?

How did that work out? Where is Gove now?

What specific significant concessions are being/will be made by the UK negotiating team, and in what areas are those concessions being made?

Chopper again says he has heard, but yet again will not divulge what he has heard, been here many times before .......

Besides, it will be wrong anyway.

[Toaster]

This is an interesting Video on You tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn4MMylSP5c

In 1970 we were the 3rd largest exporter in 2015 we were the fourth largest.......but wait for it.....post Brexit by 2017 we slipped to sixth place 2018 Ninth place and 2019 10th Place.......Couldnt be anything to do with manufacturers shifting production and other business going to a more stable haven?

This Brexit malarky is going well

[Sway]

silentbrown said:

gooner1 said:

What’s it like with fish, asking for a french friend?

Probably goes better with the 100 kilotonnes of cod we import every year. We're putting 12% import tariffs on that, IIRC?

You remember incorrectly... We currently apply 12% tariffs on cod on £305M of our imports (2016 values). That's not changing. The £50M we imported from Germany will have 12% added to it if we don't get a FTA. Or, we'll buy more from the other 4 major suppliers - who must be significantly cheaper per ton to out compete a current 12% tariff barrier...

[Sway]

Toaster said:

This is an interesting Video on You tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn4MMylSP5c

In 1970 we were the 3rd largest exporter in 2015 we were the fourth largest.......but wait for it.....post Brexit by 2017 we slipped to sixth place 2018 Ninth place and 2019 10th Place.......Couldnt be anything to do with manufacturers shifting production and other business going to a more stable haven?

This Brexit malarky is going well

When trying to associate correlation with causation, it might be worth double checking your logic...

You think Mexico is a "more stable haven"? Or that South Korea benefitted from Brexit?

[Murph7355]

Toaster said:

This is an interesting Video on You tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn4MMylSP5c

In 1970 we were the 3rd largest exporter in 2015 we were the fourth largest.......but wait for it.....post Brexit by 2017 we slipped to sixth place 2018 Ninth place and 2019 10th Place.......Couldnt be anything to do with manufacturers shifting production and other business going to a more stable haven?

This Brexit malarky is going well

What were the relative values of exports? Which categories saw the biggest dips? Where to? What were the equivalent scoops with those overtaking us?

Newsflash - we won't be 5th biggest economy forever too. I expect in the next decade we'll see a similar "slide" down the rankings. This would have happened Brexit or no Brexit

[Helicopter123]

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Bloomberg is reporting positive news from the UK-EU future relationship discussion this afternoon as word leaks the two sides have begun working on the text of an agreement on level playing field issues, and are close to finalising a joint document covering state aid. It’s also reported both sides are closer to deciding essential aspects of how any deal will be enforced.

The soundings bode well for Thursday when negotiations will move to Brussels where attempts will be made to narrow the remaining difference sufficiently by November the 3rd when the ball will be thrown back to Boris and von der Leyen to finalise a final compromise. Macron yet to budge on fishing…

https://order-order.com/2020/10/28/negotiating-pro...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-28...

Yes, as I posted yesterday, some significant concessions made by the UK is the we rumour coming out of Ireland. Let’s hope a deal can be done.

Did this rumour you heard emanate from the same source who told you that Gove was going to resign amid the leadership contest last summer when there was the furore over Gove's drug taking shenanigans?

How did that work out? Where is Gove now?

What specific significant concessions are being/will be made by the UK negotiating team, and in what areas are those concessions being made?

I have no news on Gove, or his drug usage - that one is nothing to do with me.

Rumours are
1.A compromise on fishing effectively pushing the whole thing 5 years down the road, nothing significant changes in the meantime.
2.UK had largely agreed to the "level playing field".
These are coming from Irish source.

[gooner1]

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Bloomberg is reporting positive news from the UK-EU future relationship discussion this afternoon as word leaks the two sides have begun working on the text of an agreement on level playing field issues, and are close to finalising a joint document covering state aid. It’s also reported both sides are closer to deciding essential aspects of how any deal will be enforced.

The soundings bode well for Thursday when negotiations will move to Brussels where attempts will be made to narrow the remaining difference sufficiently by November the 3rd when the ball will be thrown back to Boris and von der Leyen to finalise a final compromise. Macron yet to budge on fishing…

https://order-order.com/2020/10/28/negotiating-pro...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-28...

Yes, as I posted yesterday, some significant concessions made by the UK is the we rumour coming out of Ireland. Let’s hope a deal can be done.

Did this rumour you heard emanate from the same source who told you that Gove was going to resign amid the leadership contest last summer when there was the furore over Gove's drug taking shenanigans?

How did that work out? Where is Gove now?

What specific significant concessions are being/will be made by the UK negotiating team, and in what areas are those concessions being made?

I have no news on Gove, or his drug usage - that one is nothing to do with me.

Rumours are
1.A compromise on fishing effectively pushing the whole thing 5 years down the road, nothing significant changes in the meantime.
2.UK had largely agreed to the "level playing field".
These are coming from Irish source.

Is that like soy source? If theUK has agreed to the “level playing field” then it must be the EU that have moved.

[amusingduck]

Toaster said:

This is an interesting Video on You tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn4MMylSP5c

In 1970 we were the 3rd largest exporter in 2015 we were the fourth largest.......but wait for it.....post Brexit by 2017 we slipped to sixth place 2018 Ninth place and 2019 10th Place.......Couldnt be anything to do with manufacturers shifting production and other business going to a more stable haven?

This Brexit malarky is going well

Did you forget about this?



Looks quite different when you remove the exchange rate fluctuations:


https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/ba...

I'm pretty sure that shows what I think it does - UK exports in GBP, happy to be corrected.

[Ridgemont]

gooner1 said:

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Helicopter123 said:

don'tbesilly said:

Bloomberg is reporting positive news from the UK-EU future relationship discussion this afternoon as word leaks the two sides have begun working on the text of an agreement on level playing field issues, and are close to finalising a joint document covering state aid. It’s also reported both sides are closer to deciding essential aspects of how any deal will be enforced.

The soundings bode well for Thursday when negotiations will move to Brussels where attempts will be made to narrow the remaining difference sufficiently by November the 3rd when the ball will be thrown back to Boris and von der Leyen to finalise a final compromise. Macron yet to budge on fishing…

https://order-order.com/2020/10/28/negotiating-pro...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-28...

Yes, as I posted yesterday, some significant concessions made by the UK is the we rumour coming out of Ireland. Let’s hope a deal can be done.

Did this rumour you heard emanate from the same source who told you that Gove was going to resign amid the leadership contest last summer when there was the furore over Gove's drug taking shenanigans?

How did that work out? Where is Gove now?

What specific significant concessions are being/will be made by the UK negotiating team, and in what areas are those concessions being made?

I have no news on Gove, or his drug usage - that one is nothing to do with me.

Rumours are
1.A compromise on fishing effectively pushing the whole thing 5 years down the road, nothing significant changes in the meantime.
2.UK had largely agreed to the "level playing field".
These are coming from Irish source.

Is that like soy source? If theUK has agreed to the “level playing field” then it must be the EU that have moved.

There was a report last week that the LPF shift was agreed post the Japan deal: the EU requested the same approach as the U.K. had agreed with the Japanese, which was apparently more rigorous than that the U.K. was prepared to offer the EU. The U.K. agreed.
On fishing the deal to be made will be on continued time boxed access, not continuation of existing arrangements.

My guess is that a deal is almost a certainty now.

[Tuna]

Is it me, or are there a lot of straws being grasped at the moment?

It's remarkable that some Remain-at-any-cost posters are determined to further weaken their already shaky cause by coming up with nonsense claims that don't stand scrutiny.

Let's see what we negotiate - and then we can push forward with economic and business decisions based on reality rather than fantasy outcomes.

[crankedup]

Murph7355 said:

Toaster said:

This is an interesting Video on You tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn4MMylSP5c

In 1970 we were the 3rd largest exporter in 2015 we were the fourth largest.......but wait for it.....post Brexit by 2017 we slipped to sixth place 2018 Ninth place and 2019 10th Place.......Couldnt be anything to do with manufacturers shifting production and other business going to a more stable haven?

This Brexit malarky is going well

What were the relative values of exports? Which categories saw the biggest dips? Where to? What were the equivalent scoops with those overtaking us?

Newsflash - we won't be 5th biggest economy forever too. I expect in the next decade we'll see a similar "slide" down the rankings. This would have happened Brexit or no Brexit

Perhaps the U.K. is dropping down the pecking order owing to the Global manufacturing costs being minimal in challenger Countries.You know this anyway
From the past as a great industrial manufacturing Country to a services Country we should expect nothing less. Only the import of cheap labour working for peanuts not having to support decent housing and other living costs can this cheap labour cost be maintained, hence the shout from many manufacturing industries to not leave the EU, our main source of cheap labour.
The U.K. is very good at many other things, thankfully, and a step away from a never ending cheap,
labour pool is generally a good long term political decision, imo.

[Helicopter123]

Ridgemont said:

There was a report last week that the LPF shift was agreed post the Japan deal: the EU requested the same approach as the U.K. had agreed with the Japanese, which was apparently more rigorous than that the U.K. was prepared to offer the EU. The U.K. agreed.
On fishing the deal to be made will be on continued time boxed access, not continuation of existing arrangements.

My guess is that a deal is almost a certainty now.

I would agree, I believe that significant progress has now been made on the most difficult areas.

We shall see on both the LPF and Fish, but it does look like the UK has moved sufficiently for the EU to get comfortable.

Let's hope so, a FTA is in everyone's best interest.

[Biggy Stardust]

Helicopter123 said:

Rumours are
1.A compromise on fishing effectively pushing the whole thing 5 years down the road, nothing significant changes in the meantime.
2.UK had largely agreed to the "level playing field".
These are coming from Irish source.

May I ask that you wait until you have something more substantial? Thank you.

[Toaster]

Tuna said:

Is it me, or are there a lot of straws being grasped at the moment?

It's remarkable that some Remain-at-any-cost posters are determined to further weaken their already shaky cause by coming up with nonsense claims that don't stand scrutiny.

Let's see what we negotiate - and then we can push forward with economic and business decisions based on reality rather than fantasy outcomes.

Aha Like the Brexit fantasists

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-japan-ag... this was in September and the EU one https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/eu-japa...

I hear that BoJo is delaying the EU talks until he sees how the US elections go

But what do I know Tuna probably as much and as little as you

[Sway]

Helicopter123 said:

Ridgemont said:

There was a report last week that the LPF shift was agreed post the Japan deal: the EU requested the same approach as the U.K. had agreed with the Japanese, which was apparently more rigorous than that the U.K. was prepared to offer the EU. The U.K. agreed.
On fishing the deal to be made will be on continued time boxed access, not continuation of existing arrangements.

My guess is that a deal is almost a certainty now.

I would agree, I believe that significant progress has now been made on the most difficult areas.

We shall see on both the LPF and Fish, but it does look like the UK has moved sufficiently for the EU to get comfortable.

Let's hope so, a FTA is in everyone's best interest.

Not a hint in your mind that the EU might also have moved sufficiently for the UK to get comfortable?

Not even a glimmer?

[Tuna]

Toaster said:

Aha Like the Brexit fantasists

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-japan-ag... this was in September and the EU one https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/in-focus/eu-japa...

You'll note I'm not claiming either bigly wins, or calamitous woes - you're tilting at windmills here.

What exactly are you claiming about the Japan agreement?

[gooner1]

Helicopter123 said:

Ridgemont said:

There was a report last week that the LPF shift was agreed post the Japan deal: the EU requested the same approach as the U.K. had agreed with the Japanese, which was apparently more rigorous than that the U.K. was prepared to offer the EU. The U.K. agreed.
On fishing the deal to be made will be on continued time boxed access, not continuation of existing arrangements.

My guess is that a deal is almost a certainty now.

I would agree, I believe that significant progress has now been made on the most difficult areas.

We shall see on both the LPF and Fish, but it does look like the UK has moved sufficiently for the EU to get comfortable.





Let's hope so, a FTA is in everyone's best interest.

In which direction and on what particular subject has the U.K. moved sufficiently to ease the EU’s discomfort and unease?