Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party? (Vol. 2)

[Mr Penguin]

The New Deal for Working People renamed as Labour’s Plan to Make Work Pay

They have also watered down the timings, from legislation passed in 100 days to legislation proposed in 100 days and also not committing to everything being included in that time frame.

[Hants PHer]

Let's be honest, the whole "What can I do when I'm 16, 17 or 18?" thing is a mess. You can join the military but not fight. Commit certain crimes aged 16/17 and you go to a young offender's institution (YOI) rather than prison when you're 18+. You can't marry (in England & Wales) until you're 18 but you can have sex at 16. You can't drive a car until you're 17. You can vote aged 16, as long as you're voting in Scotland or Wales in local elections. Not in England though.........

And so on. Perhaps a proper way forward would be to establish a Royal Commission with a remit to recommend how to standardise the current patchwork quilt, thereby removing it from grubby political interests.

[turbobloke]

Hants PHer said:

Let's be honest, the whole "What can I do when I'm 16, 17 or 18?" thing is a mess. You can join the military but not fight. Commit certain crimes aged 16/17 and you go to a young offender's institution (YOI) rather than prison when you're 18+. You can't marry (in England & Wales) until you're 18 but you can have sex at 16. You can't drive a car until you're 17. You can vote aged 16, as long as you're voting in Scotland or Wales in local elections. Not in England though.........

And so on. Perhaps a proper way forward would be to establish a Royal Commission with a remit to recommend how to standardise the current patchwork quilt, thereby removing it from grubby political interests.

According to parliamentarians in the Education Select Committee, 16 year olds can't be trusted to make good decisions with a smartphone one day before their 16th birthday.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/202...

[S600BSB]

p1stonhead said:

119 said:

Mr Penguin said:

S600BSB said:

Should have happened years ago - brings into line with the Scottish parliamentary elections.

And means that children who are not yet mature enough to smoke or get married or even work full time are mature enough to vote. It's obviously only because they give Labour more votes.

Of course it is.

I suspect all the youth of today believe is what’s posted on their tik tok reels with the rubbish they are spoon fed

As opposed to old people who believe anything written on Auntie Doris’s Facebook page which led to the disaster of Brexit

Old being the operative word in the case of 119, Turbo, Womble and the other spanner’s on here. Haha

[DeejRC]

I’m not a fan of allowing 16yo to vote. Frankly 16yo are utterly irresponsible muppets, but…I cannot disagree with the logic that if we allow them to join the armed forces and serve their country, then it is perverse to not allow them to vote. Sorry folks, but it just is.
I would also question the worry around all these teeny boppers going out to vote for their local Labour dude. I rather suspect the vast majority of them would forget/not care.
On the other hand I also consider it utterly perverse to whinge about voter ID. It’s a fairly logical thing to ask for and the vast vast vast majority of us have some form of it.
And the last of the trifecta - boundary changes. As I understand it the last lot of changes were brought in many yrs later than they should have been. Were agreed by an indie body and nobody much considers them terribly controversial.

[p1stonhead]

DeejRC said:

I’m not a fan of allowing 16yo to vote. Frankly 16yo are utterly irresponsible muppets, but…I cannot disagree with the logic that if we allow them to join the armed forces and serve their country, then it is perverse to not allow them to vote. Sorry folks, but it just is.

Also they can get taxed when working. If they can pay into the system, they should get a say on it.

[chrispmartha]

What age can you join the conservative party and vote for a leader?

[119]

S600BSB said:

p1stonhead said:

119 said:

Mr Penguin said:

S600BSB said:

Should have happened years ago - brings into line with the Scottish parliamentary elections.

And means that children who are not yet mature enough to smoke or get married or even work full time are mature enough to vote. It's obviously only because they give Labour more votes.

Of course it is.

I suspect all the youth of today believe is what’s posted on their tik tok reels with the rubbish they are spoon fed

As opposed to old people who believe anything written on Auntie Doris’s Facebook page which led to the disaster of Brexit

Old being the operative word in the case of 119, Turbo, Womble and the other spanner’s on here. Haha

Serious question, how old do you reckon I am?

[turbobloke]

119 said:

S600BSB said:

p1stonhead said:

119 said:

Mr Penguin said:

S600BSB said:

Should have happened years ago - brings into line with the Scottish parliamentary elections.

And means that children who are not yet mature enough to smoke or get married or even work full time are mature enough to vote. It's obviously only because they give Labour more votes.

Of course it is.

I suspect all the youth of today believe is what’s posted on their tik tok reels with the rubbish they are spoon fed

As opposed to old people who believe anything written on Auntie Doris’s Facebook page which led to the disaster of Brexit

Old being the operative word in the case of 119, Turbo, Womble and the other spanner’s on here. Haha

Serious question, how old do you reckon I am?

Older than the primary school playgorund club, at least in terms of mental age - they can't cope with different opinions via discussion and resort to name-calling as a means of advertising their inadequacy. Which is fine.

[DeejRC]

p1stonhead said:

DeejRC said:

I’m not a fan of allowing 16yo to vote. Frankly 16yo are utterly irresponsible muppets, but…I cannot disagree with the logic that if we allow them to join the armed forces and serve their country, then it is perverse to not allow them to vote. Sorry folks, but it just is.

Also they can get taxed when working. If they can pay into the system, they should get a say on it.

Again, logic that I cannot fault. No taxation without representation.

[S600BSB]

turbobloke said:

Older than the primary school playgorund club, at least in terms of mental age - they can't cope with different opinions via discussion and resort to name-calling as a means of advertising their inadequacy. Which is fine.

Haha

[EddieSteadyGo]

S600BSB said:

Old being the operative word in the case of 119, Turbo, Womble and the other spanner’s on here. Haha

You really have a blind-spot related to how to refer to older people. I've pointed out before, you continue to make barbed ageist comments which make you appear bigoted against older people for some reason. Maybe something to think about...

[bitchstewie]

chrispmartha said:

What age can you join the conservative party and vote for a leader?

You used to be able to vote for the leader at 15.

You also didn't even need to be a British citizen to vote for the leader.

Not sure if either of those positions have changed.

[turbobloke]

Sir Keir hasn't been reviving the Labour voting intentions in our PH poll, shortly after launching with 160 votes, Labour had a 20 point lead (40 to 20) over the Tories, now with over 800 votes the lead has been halved (32 to 22) and was in single figures earlier this afternoon. Not that there's much cheer for Sunak's lot with only a 2 point increase.

[p1stonhead]

turbobloke said:

Sir Keir hasn't been reviving the Labour voting intentions in our PH poll, shortly after launching with 160 votes, Labour had a 20 point lead (40 to 20) over the Tories, now with over 800 votes the lead has been halved (32 to 22) and was in single figures earlier this afternoon. Not that there's much cheer for Sunak's lot with only a 2 point increase.

PH must be one of the most heavily right/Tory leaning examples which is possible to poll though.

[chrispmartha]

bhstewie said:

chrispmartha said:

What age can you join the conservative party and vote for a leader?

You used to be able to vote for the leader at 15.

You also didn't even need to be a British citizen to vote for the leader.

Not sure if either of those positions have changed.

So you can vote for a conservative prime minister at 15, but conservatives are worried about 16 year olds voting in a general election.


Ok then.

[p1stonhead]

chrispmartha said:

bhstewie said:

chrispmartha said:

What age can you join the conservative party and vote for a leader?

You used to be able to vote for the leader at 15.

You also didn't even need to be a British citizen to vote for the leader.

Not sure if either of those positions have changed.

So you can vote for a conservative prime minister at 15, but conservatives are worried about 16 year olds voting in a general election.

Ok then.

Like republicans in the US, when more people vote, conservatives lose. They hate people voting.

[S600BSB]

EddieSteadyGo said:

You really have a blind-spot related to how to refer to older people. I've pointed out before, you continue to make barbed ageist comments which make you appear bigoted against older people for some reason. Maybe something to think about...

Haha - thanks Eddie!

[119]

bhstewie said:

chrispmartha said:

What age can you join the conservative party and vote for a leader?

You used to be able to vote for the leader at 15.

You also didn't even need to be a British citizen to vote for the leader.

Not sure if either of those positions have changed.

Would be interesting to see some further info on that.

[768]

119 said:

S600BSB said:

Old being the operative word in the case of 119, Turbo, Womble and the other spanner’s on here. Haha

Serious question, how old do you reckon I am?

Nine times out of ten on here the people moaning about the olds are well over halfway themselves.