Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?

[turbobloke]

As of a couple of hours ago, 67 MPs had signed the Early Day Motion expressing No Confidence in Sir Lindsay Hoyle after his Keir cave.

[President Merkin]

EmBe said:

Labour - How about we kick you in the arse instead

Nothing. Will. Change.

You're mad if you think it will.

There's a few things I loathe in politics. One is denial, which is all over these threads, nothing more than a form of lying to oneself. Another is cynicism. This is cynicism. The idea that no matter which way you vote, you lose, Even a cursory acquaintance with history disproves this completely. It's a lazy, uninfomed outlook & usually punted by those drawn to the status quo. Third would be the dicks who post gifs & rofls but that's for another day.

[Slowboathome]

President Merkin said:

EmBe said:

Labour - How about we kick you in the arse instead

Nothing. Will. Change.

You're mad if you think it will.

There's a few things I loathe in politics. One is denial, which is all over these threads, nothing more than a form of lying to oneself. Another is cynicism. This is cynicism. The idea that no matter which way you vote, you lose, Even a cursory acquaintance with history disproves this completely. It's a lazy, uninfomed outlook & usually punted by those drawn to the status quo. Third would be the dicks who post gifs & rofls but that's for another day.

I must confess that I'm cynical about the prospects for improvement regardless of who wins the next election. Ken Clarke expressed the view recently that the country is in for a difficult decade purely because of the economic shocks it has suffered over the last 16 years.

[S600BSB]

President Merkin said:

There's a few things I loathe in politics. One is denial, which is all over these threads, nothing more than a form of lying to oneself. Another is cynicism. This is cynicism. The idea that no matter which way you vote, you lose, Even a cursory acquaintance with history disproves this completely. It's a lazy, uninfomed outlook & usually punted by those drawn to the status quo. Third would be the dicks who post gifs & rofls but that's for another day.

It’s just an age thing. The cynics are likely just old men with too much time on their hands.

[Wombat3]

S600BSB said:

President Merkin said:

There's a few things I loathe in politics. One is denial, which is all over these threads, nothing more than a form of lying to oneself. Another is cynicism. This is cynicism. The idea that no matter which way you vote, you lose, Even a cursory acquaintance with history disproves this completely. It's a lazy, uninfomed outlook & usually punted by those drawn to the status quo. Third would be the dicks who post gifs & rofls but that's for another day.

It’s just an age thing. The cynics are likely just old men with too much time on their hands.

You are right, it is just an age thing.....bless the naivety of youth !

[President Merkin]

Wombat3 said:

You are right, it is just an age thing.....bless the naivety of youth !

Well, when it comes to denial, I had you in mind tbh. Last time you quoted me, it was to trot out a procession of Daily Express headlines, this time it's to rather endearingly refer to me (53 & three quarters) as a naive youth! More of this please.

[Unreal]

These threads get a bit pantomime with pointless arguments about what will or won't happen. It's obvious there aren't many permutations in respect of the future under any government outside of a lot better, bit better, about the same, bit worse and lots worse. On top of that we have the objective and subjective measures. None of us know how it will play out or we wouldn't have to work for a living. I may be in the 'it'll be lots worse' camp under SKS but it would be perverse to deny that I hope the opposite is true. I'm not a masochist.

I also think Starmer will win whilst being happy to admit that I think the Tories are a useless shower. No party gets my automatic vote. I will vote tactically if I can.

The things that worry me about SKS and Labour boil down t my suspicions about their real motives. Again, I don't claim I know but I don't see anything to reassure me that the class envy has gone away, likewise the anti-semitism, but the most worrying development is what looks like caving in to intimidation from a growing sector of our society and some small vocal groups. Something's telling me that what looks to most of the public like a meaningless and incomprehensible HOC spat is actually the sound of a pot coming to the boil and I'm unsure what's going to spill over, together with the extent of its effect.

And again, I feel the need to state that I recognise what lies behind the public face of the Tories, such as a frequently corrupt link with business and a totally disingenuous stance on Brexit and the ECHR issue. In my continuum of possibilities I place the future under the Tories as a bit worse.

Based on experience I take the scare stories of brain drains and other exodus tales with a large pinch of salt but I have taken a few steps of my own to mitigate against what I think is coming. These things can be reversed if I'm happily wrong.

[turbobloke]

Starmer must need defending, the support strategy makes it clear enough

It's now 59 signatures and rising.

[Seasonal Hero]

Meanwhile we have a serving MP, ex-PM and cabinet minister attending CPAC alongside people like this.

https://x.com/mrjamesob/status/1760965391143116830...

[swisstoni]

KarlMac said:

turbobloke said:

Which says nothing about whether it'll get better.

Stalwart defending! Hang on, are we allowed to defend

Weird how you so pro-change when it was the Brexit vote, despite very little evidence prior or since that anything would be better.

The Tory Party - Vote for Us for Five More Years of being Kicked in the Dick, because at least you know what you’re getting.

You’ve all gone mad.

I can’t think of a time when there’s been such a poor set of options for voters.
The Conservatives have decided they’d prefer to fight amongst themselves than run a country.

So Labour are merely the only viable show in town. A group of talent that would have had it’s arse kicked in any other GE and yet odds on our next government.

[EmBe]

President Merkin said:

EmBe said:

Labour - How about we kick you in the arse instead

Nothing. Will. Change.

You're mad if you think it will.

There's a few things I loathe in politics. One is denial, which is all over these threads, nothing more than a form of lying to oneself. Another is cynicism. This is cynicism. The idea that no matter which way you vote, you lose, Even a cursory acquaintance with history disproves this completely. It's a lazy, uninfomed outlook & usually punted by those drawn to the status quo. Third would be the dicks who post gifs & rofls but that's for another day.

U OK Hun?

[bitchstewie]

turbobloke said:

Starmer has been referred to the Parliamentary ethics topdog watchdog over Speakergate. There's good news around even now.

Would you have a link to that please?

[Seasonal Hero]

EmBe said:

U OK Hun?

The question you should be asking is 'who the fk is going to save your Tory party'

[simon_harris]

S600BSB said:

President Merkin said:

There's a few things I loathe in politics. One is denial, which is all over these threads, nothing more than a form of lying to oneself. Another is cynicism. This is cynicism. The idea that no matter which way you vote, you lose, Even a cursory acquaintance with history disproves this completely. It's a lazy, uninfomed outlook & usually punted by those drawn to the status quo. Third would be the dicks who post gifs & rofls but that's for another day.

It’s just an age thing. The cynics are likely just old men with too much time on their hands.

A cynic is just a realist with experience.

[EmBe]

Seasonal Hero said:

EmBe said:

U OK Hun?

The question you should be asking is 'who the fk is going to save your Tory party'

Mine? Christ, I hope not.

I have equal contempt for that shower of st as I do for the shower of st with the red rosettes.

[JagLover]

EmBe said:

KarlMac said:

And still people cannot get their heads around why people are going to vote for change.

Yeah, good luck with that.....

Oh there will be some change. Higher taxes on motorists for a start. He didn't specify the type of change.

[President Merkin]

EmBe said:

U OK Hun?

I'm fine thanks, you?

EmBe said:

Leave the ad homs out, it just devalues what you say subsequently.

Begs the question - if you have equal contempt for all of them, what are you doing here?

[EmBe]

President Merkin said:

Begs the question - if you have equal contempt for all of them, what are you doing here?

Winding you up. Clearly

[President Merkin]

EmBe said:

Winding you up. Clearly

So a troll then. Cool, got it, Thanks.

[SWoll]

swisstoni said:

I can’t think of a time when there’s been such a poor set of options for voters.
The Conservatives have decided they’d prefer to fight amongst themselves than run a country.

So Labour are merely the only viable show in town. A group of talent that would have had it’s arse kicked in any other GE and yet odds on our next government.

Fixed that for you.

My prediction is that Labour will tear themselves apart in the first 12 months making us even more of a laughing stock on the international stage than we are now.

Completely agree with your sentiment though, I've never seen anything like it in 30 years of voting. "Would sir like to tread in dog st or cat st" appears to be the question posed by the next GE.