Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)

[cuprabob]

S600BSB said:

Hope HIGNFY is on tonight.

It is and Clive Myrie is the guest host.

[86]

FiF said:

At the end of the day, regardless of where anyone sits on Johnson, or the committee, this is just ridiculous.

This nation is facing imminent crises on various fronts, not least an economic crisis that will be affecting people. Need to move on and get dealing with real issues that are facing us collectively.

It's beyond pathetic.

Agree

[thetapeworm]

S600BSB said:

Hope HIGNFY is on tonight.

At the moment I wish it was on 3 times a week

[smn159]

86 said:

FiF said:

At the end of the day, regardless of where anyone sits on Johnson, or the committee, this is just ridiculous.

This nation is facing imminent crises on various fronts, not least an economic crisis that will be affecting people. Need to move on and get dealing with real issues that are facing us collectively.

It's beyond pathetic.

Agree

Don't do anything about 'X' because 'Y' is worse is a logical fallacy

[Condi]

thetapeworm said:

At the moment I wish it was on 3 times a week

It could easily be an ongoing program, I've never quite understood why they only do 8 or 10 shows in a series then it stops for 6 months.

This week's Private Eye cover is worth a look too.

[Castrol for a knave]

86 said:

FiF said:

At the end of the day, regardless of where anyone sits on Johnson, or the committee, this is just ridiculous.

This nation is facing imminent crises on various fronts, not least an economic crisis that will be affecting people. Need to move on and get dealing with real issues that are facing us collectively.

It's beyond pathetic.

Agree

If we had a competent government, one that was not riven with in fighting, elected the most useless Prime Minister in living history, who in turn appointed an equally useless Chancellor and Parliamentary time was not wasted dealing with the damage caused by a bloated chancer, then we might be able to deal with those issues more effectively and competently.

Whilst I accept a number of problems are more existential and outwith the control of the UK government, a great of this clusterfk sits squarely with the Conservatives.

[abzmike]

smn159 said:

vaud said:

Boris is to the Conservatives as Corbyn is to Labour. A divisive character. Best to let them both just quietly fade away from the front line, and then let the voters choose.

Corbyn has been dealt with by Labour and the party were disciplined enough not to let it tear them apart.

Don't remember too many ex shadow cabinet members briefing against Starmer or newspaper headlines of a witch hunt at the time.

Current Conservatives appear to be an undisciplined rabble in comparison.

The Conservatives bring up Corbyn at every available opportunity. On Question Time last night we were barely 2 minutes into the first question and 'TC' brought him up. Labour should do the same in reverse now. Sunak can kill off Johnson as a party figure if he chooses to do so - however he is so weak I very much doubt he will, as he is so scared of the reaction from the membership. Some of those people really need to give their head a wobble - if they think there is any prospect of the country voting in a Tory government in the future that has any trace of Johnson in it they are crazy. what I think is more likley is the JOhnson/Tice/Reform/Reclaim amalgum... That could split the Tory vote, or maybe even nick a few red wall votes... but thats for another time.

[pquinn]

Think it has been a tactical error from some corners with so much of the overreaction and how partisan some of it has been.

Could have punished Boris and helped his long slide into irrelevance, but some people just couldn't help overcooking it or dragging in things like Brexit and that gives Boris something to cling onto as a 'victim' & act as a source of supporters.

Cold factual clinical was needed and we've got a circus.

The moron manages to thoroughly st all over his own career in multiple ways and yet some just can't control themselves enough to let him finish the job.

[HM-2]

FiF said:

No that is not the point, ClaphamGT3 articulated it. Regardless of where you stand, Parliament has held a Govt, specifically in this case the head of a government to account. The final move comes with the vote, this deliberate and continual stirring of the pot is destructive. Does anyone have any faith that after the vote it will all stop and everyone will move on, I do not have any realistic expectation of that.

It's all rather like a legal court case, as opposed to the quasi-judicial committee. One may have an opinion whether an individual is guilty or innocent, or whichever litigant is correct. Once the verdict is in the process followed has to be trusted.

Slight caveat, in the case of proper legal cases in a court appeals are permitted given certain conditions. Not sure how that works in this affair.

So, in short, to answer you trying to put words in my mouth, no it's not impossible, never said it was.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth- I wasn't sure whether you were contesting the process as "beyond pathetic" (because we should be focusing on the "important things" rather than holding Johnson to account) as that's how it came across on first read. And it looks based on some of the replies above like I'm not the only person whose read it that way. But glad to see that's not what you're saying

[S600BSB]

Hopefully he will use his new DM gig to keep throwing Boris sized boulders at the government and do yet more damage.

[Tom8]

Johnson is now a badly busted flush. Yes he WAS an election winner and "broke down political barriers" but never again having been proven a liar. I think he was always going to be found against in this case, I do see his point however that will do us all a favour to be rid of him. Hopefully everyone will just ignore him and laugh at him now.

[Condi]

Tom8 said:

Johnson is now a badly busted flush. Yes he WAS an election winner and "broke down political barriers" but never again having been proven a liar. I think he was always going to be found against in this case, I do see his point however that will do us all a favour to be rid of him. Hopefully everyone will just ignore him and laugh at him now.

He was a proven liar long before entering parliament, having been sacked by the Telegraph for lying and then by Micheal Howard once he became an MP, also for lying. Seemingly for some people this clearly wasn't an issue.

[pquinn]

Tom8 said:

Hopefully everyone will just ignore him and laugh at him now.

Problem is they won't, they'll do the same as has happened with some other people and not be able to resist poking the subject and finding new ways to have a go.

The constant exposure will sustain him in a way he couldn't manage on his own.

[smn159]

pquinn said:

Think it has been a tactical error from some corners with so much of the overreaction and how partisan some of it has been.

Could have punished Boris and helped his long slide into irrelevance, but some people just couldn't help overcooking it or dragging in things like Brexit and that gives Boris something to cling onto as a 'victim' & act as a source of supporters.

Cold factual clinical was needed and we've got a circus.

The moron manages to thoroughly st all over his own career in multiple ways and yet some just can't control themselves enough to let him finish the job.

The report was factual. The only ones making it a circus are the Johnson acolytes.

[Rivenink]

pquinn said:

Tom8 said:

Hopefully everyone will just ignore him and laugh at him now.

Problem is they won't, they'll do the same as has happened with some other people and not be able to resist poking the subject and finding new ways to have a go.

The constant exposure will sustain him in a way he couldn't manage on his own.

Johnson has friends in the media that will always keep him with constant exposure if he so wishes.

It really doesn't matter what anyone else does.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

86 said:

FiF said:

At the end of the day, regardless of where anyone sits on Johnson, or the committee, this is just ridiculous.

This nation is facing imminent crises on various fronts, not least an economic crisis that will be affecting people. Need to move on and get dealing with real issues that are facing us collectively.

It's beyond pathetic.

Agree

If we don't hold the PM to account over lying to parliament, how will you know how well they are dealing with the economic crisis, or any other crisis? The PM can just stand up in parliament and say inflation has gone away, the boats have mainly been stopped, HS2 is going to cost far less than expected etc. Sure, the opposition can argue back (but they aren't allowed to accuse him of lying) and none of us will have a clue what's going on.

[bmwmike]

Also if truth and accountability isn't enforced as the bedrock of our democracy, we are no different to dictatorships or any other countries we like to pretend we're better than.

[MC Bodge]

bmwmike said:

Also if truth and accountability isn't enforced as the bedrock of our democracy, we are no different to dictatorships or any other countries we like to pretend we're better than.

Quite.

"Sovereignty" in the minds of some actually meant "dictatorship (on their terms)" Who knew?

[Rivenink]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

86 said:

FiF said:

At the end of the day, regardless of where anyone sits on Johnson, or the committee, this is just ridiculous.

This nation is facing imminent crises on various fronts, not least an economic crisis that will be affecting people. Need to move on and get dealing with real issues that are facing us collectively.

It's beyond pathetic.

Agree

If we don't hold the PM to account over lying to parliament, how will you know how well they are dealing with the economic crisis, or any other crisis? The PM can just stand up in parliament and say inflation has gone away, the boats have mainly been stopped, HS2 is going to cost far less than expected etc. Sure, the opposition can argue back (but they aren't allowed to accuse him of lying) and none of us will have a clue what's going on.

Not to mention thats the standard line out of any Minister when they're asked about anyting difficult.

"Well what I think is that the people of the country want the Government to focus on...."

There is always something thats far more important that people should focus on, instead of holding Government to account.

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Castrol for a knave said:

86 said:

FiF said:

At the end of the day, regardless of where anyone sits on Johnson, or the committee, this is just ridiculous.

This nation is facing imminent crises on various fronts, not least an economic crisis that will be affecting people. Need to move on and get dealing with real issues that are facing us collectively.

It's beyond pathetic.

Agree

If we had a competent government, one that was not riven with in fighting, elected the most useless Prime Minister in living history, who in turn appointed an equally useless Chancellor and Parliamentary time was not wasted dealing with the damage caused by a bloated chancer, then we might be able to deal with those issues more effectively and competently.

Whilst I accept a number of problems are more existential and outwith the control of the UK government, a great of this clusterfk sits squarely with the Conservatives.

Could be worse the SNP could be running the country. Labour completely unproven looking at Wales and the NHS doesn’t look a good starting point or Khan and the way he runs London. Starmer has made so many u turns I can’t recall what any of the agreed Labour policies are but go ahead name some. I’m interested