CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[Roderick Spode]

Rollin said:

I wonder who keeps directing you to these studies you misrepresent?

Hi T-Rollin

Oh I dunno, I just like to pick these things up here and there, by reading something called 'the internet'. Found it to be an amazing source of information beyond what the average fool's lantern 'news' channel spoon feeds the unquestioning simpletons who believe whatever they are told.

Please specify what I have misrepresented

Rollin said:

What happened to the 'cytokine storm' you were all banging on about previously?

You will of course be able to point out where I stated any such thing.

[Red Devil]

bodhi said:

Challo said:

I agree Biden is too old, and shouldn’t have been running for President or should again.

I think you need to look at who the other guy was. Trump is no picture of health right now, and is also too old. The st show Trump left the US in his 4 years meant that Biden had it easy, and probably didn’t need to campaign.

And the way things are going we'll get a rerun next year! Woohoo!

Woohoo is so dated now. It has been binned and replaced by Woohan. [

[bodhi]

Red Devil said:

Woohoo is so dated now. It has been binned and replaced by Woohan. [

I thought that had been superceded by Delta and Omicron now?

Anyway had a much delayed GP appointment this morning which was a curious experience - even ignoring the fact the aliment I was in for - basically plane ear - had already sorted itself out.

Anyway, went in and registered and it was all very 2019 - not a mask to be seen, people laughing and joking etc, all very normal. Then went for a hearing test, worked with the consultant there, again no masks and all very normal. Had a laugh and joke with the chap doing it, did the test then went to wait for my examination, which was where it got a bit weird.

I was escorted through to the examination room by the nurse who apologized and said that unfortunately I'd have to wear a mask for this particular doctor whilst she rolled her eyes, so I dutifully masked up and went in. Once in there I was greeted by a doctor in full PPE - so N95 mask, gloves and some sort of smock to cover his clothes. Seriously it's like he was auditioning for a role in a Netflix dramatisation of March/April 2020.

Now I'm not the sort to judge if someone is concerned about COVID - I'm not especially, but some are which I can appreciate. However when it makes your patients feel like a disease vector and stops you from examining the T part of your ENT specialism as he did with me, I have a few concerns....

[vixen1700]

bodhi said:

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I was escorted through to the examination room by the nurse who apologized and said that unfortunately I'd have to wear a mask for this particular doctor whilst she rolled her eyes, so I dutifully masked up and went in. Once in there I was greeted by a doctor in full PPE - so N95 mask, gloves and some sort of smock to cover his clothes. Seriously it's like he was auditioning for a role in a Netflix dramatisation of March/April 2020.

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Hilarious if it wasn't so ridiculous.

I would have had to ask why he'd adopted such an outfit.
Seriously, that would have just set me right off.

Same as mentioned on the 'Has Covid Gone Away' thread, a poster takes his girlfriend/wife to the GP the other day with a bad back and has to wait for a text before being allowed in the surgery.

I'd have to ask why.

Madness.

Look forward to 'flu season'

[Ari]

bodhi said:

I thought that had been superceded by Delta and Omicron now?

Anyway had a much delayed GP appointment this morning which was a curious experience - even ignoring the fact the aliment I was in for - basically plane ear - had already sorted itself out.

Anyway, went in and registered and it was all very 2019 - not a mask to be seen, people laughing and joking etc, all very normal. Then went for a hearing test, worked with the consultant there, again no masks and all very normal. Had a laugh and joke with the chap doing it, did the test then went to wait for my examination, which was where it got a bit weird.

I was escorted through to the examination room by the nurse who apologized and said that unfortunately I'd have to wear a mask for this particular doctor whilst she rolled her eyes, so I dutifully masked up and went in. Once in there I was greeted by a doctor in full PPE - so N95 mask, gloves and some sort of smock to cover his clothes. Seriously it's like he was auditioning for a role in a Netflix dramatisation of March/April 2020.

Now I'm not the sort to judge if someone is concerned about COVID - I'm not especially, but some are which I can appreciate. However when it makes your patients feel like a disease vector and stops you from examining the T part of your ENT specialism as he did with me, I have a few concerns....

It would be interesting to know what the response to a smile and a polite 'no thank you' would have been. There's absolutely no legislation covering this and surely a doctor can't refuse to see a patient on what are basically religious grounds?

[Rough101]

vixen1700 said:

Hilarious if it wasn't so ridiculous.

I would have had to ask why he'd adopted such an outfit.
Seriously, that would have just set me right off.

Same as mentioned on the 'Has Covid Gone Away' thread, a poster takes his girlfriend/wife to the GP the other day with a bad back and has to wait for a text before being allowed in the surgery.

I'd have to ask why.

Madness.

Look forward to 'flu season'

Well one of you is a trained medical professional and one isn’t.

[r3g]

[Rollin]

Roderick Spode said:

Rollin said:

I wonder who keeps directing you to these studies you misrepresent?

Hi T-Rollin

Oh I dunno, I just like to pick these things up here and there, by reading something called 'the internet'. Found it to be an amazing source of information beyond what the average fool's lantern 'news' channel spoon feeds the unquestioning simpletons who believe whatever they are told.

Please specify what I have misrepresented

Rollin said:

What happened to the 'cytokine storm' you were all banging on about previously?

You will of course be able to point out where I stated any such thing.

Is this the source?

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/349517-2023-0...

[KAgantua]

Rollin said:

Roderick Spode said:

Rollin said:

I wonder who keeps directing you to these studies you misrepresent?

Hi T-Rollin

Oh I dunno, I just like to pick these things up here and there, by reading something called 'the internet'. Found it to be an amazing source of information beyond what the average fool's lantern 'news' channel spoon feeds the unquestioning simpletons who believe whatever they are told.

Please specify what I have misrepresented

Rollin said:

What happened to the 'cytokine storm' you were all banging on about previously?

You will of course be able to point out where I stated any such thing.

Is this the source?

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/349517-2023-0...

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[Cold]

Rough101 said:

vixen1700 said:

Hilarious if it wasn't so ridiculous.

I would have had to ask why he'd adopted such an outfit.
Seriously, that would have just set me right off.

Same as mentioned on the 'Has Covid Gone Away' thread, a poster takes his girlfriend/wife to the GP the other day with a bad back and has to wait for a text before being allowed in the surgery.

I'd have to ask why.

Madness.

Look forward to 'flu season'

Well one of you is a trained medical professional and one isn’t.

[Unreal]

Rough101 said:

vixen1700 said:

Hilarious if it wasn't so ridiculous.

I would have had to ask why he'd adopted such an outfit.
Seriously, that would have just set me right off.

Same as mentioned on the 'Has Covid Gone Away' thread, a poster takes his girlfriend/wife to the GP the other day with a bad back and has to wait for a text before being allowed in the surgery.

I'd have to ask why.

Madness.

Look forward to 'flu season'

Well one of you is a trained medical professional and one isn’t.

Trained medical professionals are not immune from being caught up in pseudo science and hysteria.

[Elysium]

GSE said:

Elysium said:

They were supposed to fail:

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disast...

^ Note the date of that article, October 2020:

Time said:

The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World"

Time said:

The Swedish COVID-19 experiment of not implementing early and strong measures to safeguard the population has been hotly debated around the world, but at this point we can predict it is almost certain to result in a net failure in terms of death and suffering"

Yes, MSM declared that the Swedish approach was to be a failure, before it was a success.

You just can't trust a word that they say anymore.

The Media is the virus.

Sadly it wasn’t just the media. Public health professionals all around the world were swept up in the madness.

The Time article quoted above was co-authored by Andrew Ewing a Professor of Chemistry and Molecular Biology at Gothenburg University:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_G._Ewing

I don’t remotely understand his area of expertise. But I can see that he was very wrong about Sweden.

Then you look at his Twitter and realise that he is the guy behind the “COVID causes brain damage” theory that even Indie SAGE thought went a bit far:

https://twitter.com/AndrewEwing11

Given how wrong he was about Sweden and the fact that most people who have had COVID seem fine, I’m pretty sure he is wrong about that as well.

Gradually, you realise that he is completely insane. Amply demonstrated by this thread in which he brags about masking his 10 year old daughter for 2 years and blames everybody else when she eventually catches COVID anyway:

https://twitter.com/AndrewEwing11/status/156175534...

Edited by Elysium on Thursday 31st August 23:16

[Hants PHer]

Ari said:

It would be interesting to know what the response to a smile and a polite 'no thank you' would have been. There's absolutely no legislation covering this and surely a doctor can't refuse to see a patient on what are basically religious grounds?

I've had this a few times when attending outpatient appointments at my local hospitals, and at my local community health centre. As you suggest, I've simply smiled and said - politely of course - "No thanks, I'm fine as I am", and on every occasion the response has been "Fine, no problem".

Happily, the mask nonsense does seem to be finally over at the hospitals concerned - St Mary's and the QA in Portsmouth - where normality has been restored. But for how long, I wonder?

[r3g]

Hants PHer said:

I've had this a few times when attending outpatient appointments at my local hospitals, and at my local community health centre. As you suggest, I've simply smiled and said - politely of course - "No thanks, I'm fine as I am", and on every occasion the response has been "Fine, no problem".

Happily, the mask nonsense does seem to be finally over at the hospitals concerned - St Mary's and the QA in Portsmouth - where normality has been restored. But for how long, I wonder?

I had exactly this happen on a couple of occasions, but most of the time I was never challenged. Always women of a 'certain' age who you could tell were absolutely loving the thrill of exerting their precious little bit of power over people ordering them to wear masks, then as you say a polite and cheery "I'm good thanks" whilst breezing right past them completely took the wind out of the sails as they expected everyone to obediently do as they ordered .

[RSTurboPaul]

Dr John Campbell discusses papers on natural immunity versus vaccine-derived immunity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiA1S6NvCo4



https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/75/1/e545/656...

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) Naturally Acquired Immunity versus Vaccine-induced Immunity, Reinfections versus Breakthrough Infections: A Retrospective Cohort Study

Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 75, Issue 1, 1 July 2022, Pages e545–e551, https://doi.org/10.1093/cid/ciac262


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01...

Necessity of COVID-19 vaccination in previously infected individuals

[Unreal]

Campbell was heavily promoting the vaccines and 'trusting the science' throughout the pandemic. I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He'll be recommending masks and more jabs this winter if that's the way the wind is blowing.

[johnboy1975]

Unreal said:

Campbell was heavily promoting the vaccines and 'trusting the science' throughout the pandemic. I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He'll be recommending masks and more jabs this winter if that's the way the wind is blowing.

Disagree. I know it's his "thing" (following the evidence - how passe ), but it's interesting to see him slowly realising that, undeniably to a certain extent IMO, we were being played. I think you could do a dissertation on it, but maybe that's just me?

I don't think he wanted to be a poster boy for "the old science" or indeed, to rock the boat in any way, as evidenced by his early musings.

I'd be interested to know how many of his original audience followed him on his journey, and how many "anti Vax nutters" (TM) jumped on board. There must be at least a few who jumped off when he said your 5th booster probably didn't do all that much, in the wider scheme of things. And on the other side, him finding a young healthy guy with myocarditis was undeniably catnip. It's hard to believe that, to at least some extent, he didn't search those things out for blockbuster viewing figures.

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[isaldiri]

Unreal said:

Campbell was heavily promoting the vaccines and 'trusting the science' throughout the pandemic. I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He'll be recommending masks and more jabs this winter if that's the way the wind is blowing.

Is your problem with him that he was promoting vaccines earlier or that he has proven to only really care about driving viewer clicks.? Your post seems to be suggesting it's primarily the former....

[S600BSB]

bodhi said:

I thought that had been superceded by Delta and Omicron now?

Anyway had a much delayed GP appointment this morning which was a curious experience - even ignoring the fact the aliment I was in for - basically plane ear - had already sorted itself out.

Anyway, went in and registered and it was all very 2019 - not a mask to be seen, people laughing and joking etc, all very normal. Then went for a hearing test, worked with the consultant there, again no masks and all very normal. Had a laugh and joke with the chap doing it, did the test then went to wait for my examination, which was where it got a bit weird.

I was escorted through to the examination room by the nurse who apologized and said that unfortunately I'd have to wear a mask for this particular doctor whilst she rolled her eyes, so I dutifully masked up and went in. Once in there I was greeted by a doctor in full PPE - so N95 mask, gloves and some sort of smock to cover his clothes. Seriously it's like he was auditioning for a role in a Netflix dramatisation of March/April 2020.

Now I'm not the sort to judge if someone is concerned about COVID - I'm not especially, but some are which I can appreciate. However when it makes your patients feel like a disease vector and stops you from examining the T part of your ENT specialism as he did with me, I have a few concerns....

Why take an appointment if your ailment had already sorted itself out? Waste of time. Cancel and let someone else take it.

[Unreal]

isaldiri said:

Unreal said:

Campbell was heavily promoting the vaccines and 'trusting the science' throughout the pandemic. I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He'll be recommending masks and more jabs this winter if that's the way the wind is blowing.

Is your problem with him that he was promoting vaccines earlier or that he has proven to only really care about driving viewer clicks.? Your post seems to be suggesting it's primarily the former....

Not either. Maybe not both. Perhaps more than either or both. It's an overall sense that he is an untrustworthy charlatan. You'll understand I can't be bothered to analyse it in any more depth than that on an internet forum than I would with a stranger in the pub.