CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)

[bodhi]

S600BSB said:

bodhi said:

I thought that had been superceded by Delta and Omicron now?

Anyway had a much delayed GP appointment this morning which was a curious experience - even ignoring the fact the aliment I was in for - basically plane ear - had already sorted itself out.

Anyway, went in and registered and it was all very 2019 - not a mask to be seen, people laughing and joking etc, all very normal. Then went for a hearing test, worked with the consultant there, again no masks and all very normal. Had a laugh and joke with the chap doing it, did the test then went to wait for my examination, which was where it got a bit weird.

I was escorted through to the examination room by the nurse who apologized and said that unfortunately I'd have to wear a mask for this particular doctor whilst she rolled her eyes, so I dutifully masked up and went in. Once in there I was greeted by a doctor in full PPE - so N95 mask, gloves and some sort of smock to cover his clothes. Seriously it's like he was auditioning for a role in a Netflix dramatisation of March/April 2020.

Now I'm not the sort to judge if someone is concerned about COVID - I'm not especially, but some are which I can appreciate. However when it makes your patients feel like a disease vector and stops you from examining the T part of your ENT specialism as he did with me, I have a few concerns....

Why take an appointment if your ailment had already sorted itself out? Waste of time. Cancel and let someone else take it.

Do you understand the concept of a check up once an ailment has cleared to make sure there's no lasting damage or underlying issue causing it?

I certainly do, as that's how they found a tumour in my bladder 20 years ago.

[RSTurboPaul]

isaldiri said:

Unreal said:

Campbell was heavily promoting the vaccines and 'trusting the science' throughout the pandemic. I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He'll be recommending masks and more jabs this winter if that's the way the wind is blowing.

Is your problem with him that he was promoting vaccines earlier or that he has proven to only really care about driving viewer clicks.? Your post seems to be suggesting it's primarily the former....

I don't think we will ever know for sure whether he is deliberately playing to the audience or going on the same journey as much of his audience - we will all receive his missives and 'interpret' them in light of our own personal and different life experiences, meaning some will be of the mind that he is visibly pained to have fallen for the marketing spiel of Big Pharma at the start, whereas others will think he is merely a good actor acting the part to drive viewer figures and personal income.

As long as he continues to produce content that highlights issues not being discussed elsewhere (while carefully tiptoeing round the WHO-derived Youtube guidelines in order to do so) I am not sure it is an issue either way. As I understand the Youtube funding model, it is not his viewers paying him directly but advertisers' money paid from Youtube for exposure of their products? In which case it would seem hard to argue he is committing fraud on the individual viewers themselves.


And anyway, this is PH - I thought we were all powerfully built directors exploiting marketing niches to great effect to fund our extensive garages of vehicle exotica, so would not begrudge another person doing so?

Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 1st September 10:32

[rodericb]

Unreal said:

Campbell was heavily promoting the vaccines and 'trusting the science' throughout the pandemic. I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He'll be recommending masks and more jabs this winter if that's the way the wind is blowing.

At the beginning he took it at face value as many people did. He noticed things starting to go a bit awry - clots with Astra Zeneca first, then the myocarditis in younger people (initially through mis-injection) with mRNA, research on adverse effects started appearing, VAERS reports increasing..... and at the same time noticed that people stating any of this stuff publicly were silenced or pilloried.

I think there'd be other people in that profession who have had the same thoughts and realisation, like there'll be people who think it's outrageous to roll out an untested thing like mRNA injections to billions of people and those who are completely convinced by the technology and literally won't stand to hear absolutely anything negative against it even if you showed them multiple peer-reviewed research articles - if Joe Biden tells them to get it they're first in line with their sleeve rolled up.

[Unreal]

rodericb said:

Unreal said:

Campbell was heavily promoting the vaccines and 'trusting the science' throughout the pandemic. I don't trust a word that comes out of his mouth. He'll be recommending masks and more jabs this winter if that's the way the wind is blowing.

At the beginning he took it at face value as many people did. He noticed things starting to go a bit awry - clots with Astra Zeneca first, then the myocarditis in younger people (initially through mis-injection) with mRNA, research on adverse effects started appearing, VAERS reports increasing..... and at the same time noticed that people stating any of this stuff publicly were silenced or pilloried.

I think there'd be other people in that profession who have had the same thoughts and realisation, like there'll be people who think it's outrageous to roll out an untested thing like mRNA injections to billions of people and those who are completely convinced by the technology and literally won't stand to hear absolutely anything negative against it even if you showed them multiple peer-reviewed research articles - if Joe Biden tells them to get it they're first in line with their sleeve rolled up.

I'd say the isolation. silencing and smearing of people challenging the narrative didn't evolve - it was instant and coordinated across all forms of media. The authorities just got better at it as time passed.

If there are other people who supported the narrative so loudly and have had the same thoughts and realisation, assuming his are genuine, where are they now?

[JuanCarlosFandango]

I think Campbell is a bit of a sad figure these days. He's like those 6th form atheists who bang on about the fact that we have been above the clouds and there's no man with a white beard there.

If it was about evidence and a cool appraisal of statistics this would have been done and dusted in early 2020. It might have got as far as a poster campaign and a few bottles of hand sanitiser in doctor's surgeries.

It was never about any of that. It was quite clearly a power (and money) grab from day 1, and it became pretty obvious early on, certainly to anyone paying as much attention as Campbell. In 2020 he played a useful role in debunking this in nice clear terms, but at some point I think you have to draw a line under all that and say this is not a scientific matter but a political one. These people aren't misinterpreting data or misunderstanding scientific literature but deliberately abusing them for their own ends, as part of an onslaught of propaganda which has had the effect of dividing society into 2 camps. Those who support the "new normal" and those who do not.

The supporters don't care that it was all made up. They enjoyed it. It gave them meaning in their lives and a sense of spiritual satisfaction. And for myself I don't care if it was a dangerous and contagious disease. I'd rather take my chances with my immune system than with a despotic globalist government hell bent on 'protecting' me.

Pouring over graphs, studies and data at this stage is largely procrastination. Clinging to a forlorn false hope that if you can just show them this graph or that statistic then they will see the error of their ways. And avoiding calling it all out as what it actually is: a pretext for totalitarianism.

[Unreal]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think Campbell is a bit of a sad figure these days. He's like those 6th form atheists who bang on about the fact that we have been above the clouds and there's no man with a white beard there.

If it was about evidence and a cool appraisal of statistics this would have been done and dusted in early 2020. It might have got as far as a poster campaign and a few bottles of hand sanitiser in doctor's surgeries.

It was never about any of that. It was quite clearly a power (and money) grab from day 1, and it became pretty obvious early on, certainly to anyone paying as much attention as Campbell. In 2020 he played a useful role in debunking this in nice clear terms, but at some point I think you have to draw a line under all that and say this is not a scientific matter but a political one. These people aren't misinterpreting data or misunderstanding scientific literature but deliberately abusing them for their own ends, as part of an onslaught of propaganda which has had the effect of dividing society into 2 camps. Those who support the "new normal" and those who do not.

The supporters don't care that it was all made up. They enjoyed it. It gave them meaning in their lives and a sense of spiritual satisfaction. And for myself I don't care if it was a dangerous and contagious disease. I'd rather take my chances with my immune system than with a despotic globalist government hell bent on 'protecting' me.

Pouring over graphs, studies and data at this stage is largely procrastination. Clinging to a forlorn false hope that if you can just show them this graph or that statistic then they will see the error of their ways. And avoiding calling it all out as what it actually is: a pretext for totalitarianism.

Which was pretty much what was being said at the beginning by Whitty et al until clearly words were whispered in ears.

Edited by Unreal on Friday 1st September 11:54

[21st Century Man]

Great post from JCF. Thanks for articulating.

[r3g]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think Campbell is a bit of a sad figure these days. He's like those 6th form atheists who bang on about the fact that we have been above the clouds and there's no man with a white beard there.

If it was about evidence and a cool appraisal of statistics this would have been done and dusted in early 2020. It might have got as far as a poster campaign and a few bottles of hand sanitiser in doctor's surgeries.

It was never about any of that. It was quite clearly a power (and money) grab from day 1, and it became pretty obvious early on, certainly to anyone paying as much attention as Campbell. In 2020 he played a useful role in debunking this in nice clear terms, but at some point I think you have to draw a line under all that and say this is not a scientific matter but a political one. These people aren't misinterpreting data or misunderstanding scientific literature but deliberately abusing them for their own ends, as part of an onslaught of propaganda which has had the effect of dividing society into 2 camps. Those who support the "new normal" and those who do not.

The supporters don't care that it was all made up. They enjoyed it. It gave them meaning in their lives and a sense of spiritual satisfaction. And for myself I don't care if it was a dangerous and contagious disease. I'd rather take my chances with my immune system than with a despotic globalist government hell bent on 'protecting' me.

Pouring over graphs, studies and data at this stage is largely procrastination. Clinging to a forlorn false hope that if you can just show them this graph or that statistic then they will see the error of their ways. And avoiding calling it all out as what it actually is: a pretext for totalitarianism.

The sciencesy and graphs people are a different bunch to the 'always suspicious of government motives' bunch. The latter group figured out early on that the 'deadly virus' narrative was a crock of st but the sciencesy people were having none of it because the brightly coloured graphs from The Data TM showed them that 10 billion were dying every day and therefore it was all very serious. It was only many months later when the sciencesy people started seeing anomalies in The Data TM and evidence of the 'safe and effectives' vaxseeeeeeeeens messing people up did they have they have their lightbulb moment and finally realise that The Data TM was a load of bunkum and changed their opinions.

I personally think Campbell deserves credit and respect for being man enough to hold his hand up and admit he was wrong at the start. Very few people have done that because they are more concerned about saving face.

[grumbledoak]

r3g said:

I personally think Campbell deserves credit and respect for being man enough to hold his hand up and admit he was wrong at the start. Very few people have done that because they are more concerned about saving face.

^ that. Campbell appears to have had an honest journey.

It seems to be a rare thing that people will stick their hand up and publicly admit they were wrong. Depressingly so, as this and an apology are necessary to move forward in a better direction. And we've heard very few of them.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

r3g said:

The sciencesy and graphs people are a different bunch to the 'always suspicious of government motives' bunch. The latter group figured out early on that the 'deadly virus' narrative was a crock of st but the sciencesy people were having none of it because the brightly coloured graphs from The Data TM showed them that 10 billion were dying every day and therefore it was all very serious. It was only many months later when the sciencesy people started seeing anomalies in The Data TM and evidence of the 'safe and effectives' vaxseeeeeeeeens messing people up did they have they have their lightbulb moment and finally realise that The Data TM was a load of bunkum and changed their opinions.

I personally think Campbell deserves credit and respect for being man enough to hold his hand up and admit he was wrong at the start. Very few people have done that because they are more concerned about saving face.

Yeah the tone of my original post was probably a bit harsh on him. It's good to have people like that as a constant reminder that "the science" is bks.

My problem is he seems to have made graphs and data the point of the exercise. They should be a tool, and that tool did its job by July 2020. The point at which there were no excess deaths, no obvious benefits to lockdowns and they decided to double down and introduce masks anyway.

[Elysium]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

r3g said:

The sciencesy and graphs people are a different bunch to the 'always suspicious of government motives' bunch. The latter group figured out early on that the 'deadly virus' narrative was a crock of st but the sciencesy people were having none of it because the brightly coloured graphs from The Data TM showed them that 10 billion were dying every day and therefore it was all very serious. It was only many months later when the sciencesy people started seeing anomalies in The Data TM and evidence of the 'safe and effectives' vaxseeeeeeeeens messing people up did they have they have their lightbulb moment and finally realise that The Data TM was a load of bunkum and changed their opinions.

I personally think Campbell deserves credit and respect for being man enough to hold his hand up and admit he was wrong at the start. Very few people have done that because they are more concerned about saving face.

Yeah the tone of my original post was probably a bit harsh on him. It's good to have people like that as a constant reminder that "the science" is bks.

My problem is he seems to have made graphs and data the point of the exercise. They should be a tool, and that tool did its job by July 2020. The point at which there were no excess deaths, no obvious benefits to lockdowns and they decided to double down and introduce masks anyway.

There were very significant excess deaths in the UK in July 2020.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

Elysium said:

There were very significant excess deaths in the UK in July 2020.

Fiddly to look it up on the phone but a quick scan of graphs shows a spike in April-May, normal in June and actually dipping back under the 5 year average by July.

[r3g]

Elysium said:

JuanCarlosFandango said:

r3g said:

The sciencesy and graphs people are a different bunch to the 'always suspicious of government motives' bunch. The latter group figured out early on that the 'deadly virus' narrative was a crock of st but the sciencesy people were having none of it because the brightly coloured graphs from The Data TM showed them that 10 billion were dying every day and therefore it was all very serious. It was only many months later when the sciencesy people started seeing anomalies in The Data TM and evidence of the 'safe and effectives' vaxseeeeeeeeens messing people up did they have they have their lightbulb moment and finally realise that The Data TM was a load of bunkum and changed their opinions.

I personally think Campbell deserves credit and respect for being man enough to hold his hand up and admit he was wrong at the start. Very few people have done that because they are more concerned about saving face.

Yeah the tone of my original post was probably a bit harsh on him. It's good to have people like that as a constant reminder that "the science" is bks.

My problem is he seems to have made graphs and data the point of the exercise. They should be a tool, and that tool did its job by July 2020. The point at which there were no excess deaths, no obvious benefits to lockdowns and they decided to double down and introduce masks anyway.

There were very significant excess deaths in the UK in July 2020.

That depends whether you (still) believe The Data TM .... which loops right back round to Juan's original point.

Campbell has taken his red pill and is still chewing on it. Other people have yet to take theirs and so continue in contended ignorance believing everything their government overlords tell them.

[jameswills]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think Campbell is a bit of a sad figure these days. He's like those 6th form atheists who bang on about the fact that we have been above the clouds and there's no man with a white beard there.

If it was about evidence and a cool appraisal of statistics this would have been done and dusted in early 2020. It might have got as far as a poster campaign and a few bottles of hand sanitiser in doctor's surgeries.

It was never about any of that. It was quite clearly a power (and money) grab from day 1, and it became pretty obvious early on, certainly to anyone paying as much attention as Campbell. In 2020 he played a useful role in debunking this in nice clear terms, but at some point I think you have to draw a line under all that and say this is not a scientific matter but a political one. These people aren't misinterpreting data or misunderstanding scientific literature but deliberately abusing them for their own ends, as part of an onslaught of propaganda which has had the effect of dividing society into 2 camps. Those who support the "new normal" and those who do not.

The supporters don't care that it was all made up. They enjoyed it. It gave them meaning in their lives and a sense of spiritual satisfaction. And for myself I don't care if it was a dangerous and contagious disease. I'd rather take my chances with my immune system than with a despotic globalist government hell bent on 'protecting' me.

Pouring over graphs, studies and data at this stage is largely procrastination. Clinging to a forlorn false hope that if you can just show them this graph or that statistic then they will see the error of their ways. And avoiding calling it all out as what it actually is: a pretext for totalitarianism.

Very well said. On a similar line I follow Russell Brand, and have done for a while now. I still like his content, delivery and interviews but I cynically still look at him and think he’s just simply found a way of monetising the whole event in a different way. Although there is a bit of hope that just by talking about the “untalkables” he does at a least get “truths” out there.

As for totalitarianism, we are well on course now.

[jameswills]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

Elysium said:

There were very significant excess deaths in the UK in July 2020.

Fiddly to look it up on the phone but a quick scan of graphs shows a spike in April-May, normal in June and actually dipping back under the 5 year average by July.

There was an extreme dearth of excess deaths in the years leading up to 2020..... dry tinder. We’ve been through this.

[rodericb]

JuanCarlosFandango said:

I think Campbell is a bit of a sad figure these days. He's like those 6th form atheists who bang on about the fact that we have been above the clouds and there's no man with a white beard there.

If it was about evidence and a cool appraisal of statistics this would have been done and dusted in early 2020. It might have got as far as a poster campaign and a few bottles of hand sanitiser in doctor's surgeries.

It was never about any of that. It was quite clearly a power (and money) grab from day 1, and it became pretty obvious early on, certainly to anyone paying as much attention as Campbell. In 2020 he played a useful role in debunking this in nice clear terms, but at some point I think you have to draw a line under all that and say this is not a scientific matter but a political one. These people aren't misinterpreting data or misunderstanding scientific literature but deliberately abusing them for their own ends, as part of an onslaught of propaganda which has had the effect of dividing society into 2 camps. Those who support the "new normal" and those who do not.

The supporters don't care that it was all made up. They enjoyed it. It gave them meaning in their lives and a sense of spiritual satisfaction. And for myself I don't care if it was a dangerous and contagious disease. I'd rather take my chances with my immune system than with a despotic globalist government hell bent on 'protecting' me.

Pouring over graphs, studies and data at this stage is largely procrastination. Clinging to a forlorn false hope that if you can just show them this graph or that statistic then they will see the error of their ways. And avoiding calling it all out as what it actually is: a pretext for totalitarianism.

He had a few warnings from youtube even when he was merely relaying government published statistics so I don't think he wanted to push the point and especially wading into the politics of it all. He's probably lucky that his demeanour and delivery inadvertently helped him slip under the Youtube radar a few times.

The perpetrators of the politics have moved onto the next one, two and three Big Issues. The public get bored and need a fresh supply of disasters to keep their attention. Meanwhile there's continuing research going on and being published, which he's reporting for the public who continue to take an interest in what was a very serious event and which showed that western society can very quickly lose the plot. If you think he's irrelevant, maybe you've taken the first steps of moving on?

[isaldiri]

Elysium said:

There were very significant excess deaths in the UK in July 2020.

Not in July 2020. Through to July for sure there were loads of excess deaths but definitely not over summer 2020.... People were still definitely not mixing around as per 'normal' and there was very little covid infections around until late autumn.

[r3g]

The Data ™ .

[JuanCarlosFandango]

rodericb said:

He had a few warnings from youtube even when he was merely relaying government published statistics so I don't think he wanted to push the point and especially wading into the politics of it all. He's probably lucky that his demeanour and delivery inadvertently helped him slip under the Youtube radar a few times.

The perpetrators of the politics have moved onto the next one, two and three Big Issues. The public get bored and need a fresh supply of disasters to keep their attention. Meanwhile there's continuing research going on and being published, which he's reporting for the public who continue to take an interest in what was a very serious event and which showed that western society can very quickly lose the plot. If you think he's irrelevant, maybe you've taken the first steps of moving on?

I've moved on from the data and graphs. It became unavoidably obvious to me in July 2020 when they introduced masks for no good reason that this was nothing to do with a virus or the medical response to it.

[jameswills]

isaldiri said:

Not in July 2020. Through to July for sure there were loads of excess deaths but definitely not over summer 2020.... People were still definitely not mixing around as per 'normal' and there was very little covid infections around until late autumn.

After they shipped a load of old people to their deaths in care homes packed with end of life drugs and mechanical ventilation, the next wave of excess deaths came straight after the vaccine rollout, and has continued to be high since.

That's my take on the The Data that I have been looking at anyway. Virus? The one you have to test for to know you even have it. Yeah OK, believe that was responsible if you wish, to me it was our response to it that was fully to blame.