Free Schools - What scares the teaching profession so much?
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Is it funded like any other state school ...X amount per student?
With regard to creationism...we the parents have a choice if we want the overall ideology of a certain school or not...and we have a choice of schools with different ideologies to choose from. If the school is a faith school then they still have to open 50% to children of other faiths to mix it up and we still get the benefit of their teaching skills.
I cannot see a downside here. Plus parents get to make a decision on matters of their child's education and hold the school to account. And the School will demand parents to be active and support the school for the benefit of their child. You cannot just dump your nightmares at the school gates and destroy the other kids futures like you can at present.
Shirley...a better move than the current state system???
With regard to creationism...we the parents have a choice if we want the overall ideology of a certain school or not...and we have a choice of schools with different ideologies to choose from. If the school is a faith school then they still have to open 50% to children of other faiths to mix it up and we still get the benefit of their teaching skills.
I cannot see a downside here. Plus parents get to make a decision on matters of their child's education and hold the school to account. And the School will demand parents to be active and support the school for the benefit of their child. You cannot just dump your nightmares at the school gates and destroy the other kids futures like you can at present.
Shirley...a better move than the current state system???
Lemmonie said:
The school can decide how to spend their money and pay teachers as they wish etc.
State schools typically spend 80% of their budget on staff costs, so there's not a lot of scope for diverting money from other things, and hard to imagine they'll be paying less that the usual scale rates, or not funding their pensions etc.Will the school your daughter is going to be teaching over extended hours?
Having seen the literacy and intelligence standards from a number of young people who 'want to be a teacher' I'm not surprised that education in state schools is going down the pan.
My mum is a teacher with around 40 years experience and she despairs at many of the NQTs she has to mentor.
My mum is a teacher with around 40 years experience and she despairs at many of the NQTs she has to mentor.
Funk said:
Having seen the literacy and intelligence standards from a number of young people who 'want to be a teacher' I'm not surprised that education in state schools is going down the pan.
My mum is a teacher with around 40 years experience and she despairs at many of the NQTs she has to mentor.
So when did the standards start to slip. Was the high point of education 1970 when your mother started teaching?My mum is a teacher with around 40 years experience and she despairs at many of the NQTs she has to mentor.
She is going into year one. The school has slightly longer days but only 8.30am to 3.15pm.
It will operate as most independants do and have no inset days but rather tag them onto the begining of the summer holidays.
Will work for us as we can take our family break 2 weeks before the prices get hiked up.
They do have breakfast clubs and after school clubs too should we wish to take advantage of them.
It will operate as most independants do and have no inset days but rather tag them onto the begining of the summer holidays.
Will work for us as we can take our family break 2 weeks before the prices get hiked up.
They do have breakfast clubs and after school clubs too should we wish to take advantage of them.
Lemmonie said:
She is going into year one. The school has slightly longer days but only 8.30am to 3.15pm.
It will operate as most independants do and have no inset days but rather tag them onto the begining of the summer holidays.
Will work for us as we can take our family break 2 weeks before the prices get hiked up.
They do have breakfast clubs and after school clubs too should we wish to take advantage of them.
So does that mean a working couple can use those as clubs as some sort of child care and save on costs?It will operate as most independants do and have no inset days but rather tag them onto the begining of the summer holidays.
Will work for us as we can take our family break 2 weeks before the prices get hiked up.
They do have breakfast clubs and after school clubs too should we wish to take advantage of them.
Having watched several news broadcasts, yesterday, it's fairly obvious what the problems are. Faith schools are by far the majority of "Free Schools" another chance to separate and indoctrinate children. The parents interviewed at a school in the midlands glowed with delight that their children would not have to mix with children from other races and creeds. Creationist schools are a large percentage of those who have applied, nothing more needs to be said on that subject. As to the idea that there is a positive spin being put on the idea of untrained teaching staff, that is somewhat worrying. Especially in those faith schools supported by less than open religions. Finally why are they called free? Tax payers are paying for them, so they are not free. Where in these cost cutting times is the money coming from? From the education budget no doubt, making inroads into other already cash starved schools. Without decent education the underclass grows. More riots anyone?
DWP said:
The parents interviewed at a school in the midlands glowed with delight that their children would not have to mix with children from other races and creeds.
I'm not surprised. In Tower Hamlets there is a school where four of the one hundred and twenty pupils have English as their first language. f
k that.bobbylondonuk said:
So does that mean a working couple can use those as clubs as some sort of child care and save on costs?
well you could i suppose but our school is quite clear that they are not to be used as such simply as weather and staff issues etc can lead to sessions being cancelled.There is also a small cost to these but it really is minimal.
thinfourth2 said:
There was some moaner on the radio the other day going ape because one free school was going to get ex-forces guys in as teachers
He reason for going ape they wouldn't have degrees so how on earth could they teach maths to GCSE level
Typical snobbish idiot those that don't have a degree are sub human scum
There was a piece on the news recently about a failing school (somewhere in North London, as I recall) that had an ex-military guy as head and a few other guys as teachers. They'd managed to slowly reinstate discipline in the kids through simple things such as no running in corridors, no tolerance of being late, litter picks and uniform policy. Basically the stuff most of us of a certain age took for granted. They also had a cadet system where the older kids looked out for problems and reported back. Upshot was results went up, absenteeism went down, the pupils themselves took it upon themselves to keep the place tidy and everyone generally seemed to have a sense of pride about being a pupil there. If that puts union noses out of joint, it's only because they've failed so dismally to get those results themselves.He reason for going ape they wouldn't have degrees so how on earth could they teach maths to GCSE level
Typical snobbish idiot those that don't have a degree are sub human scum
DWP said:
Having watched several news broadcasts, yesterday, it's fairly obvious what the problems are. Faith schools are by far the majority of "Free Schools" another chance to separate and indoctrinate children. The parents interviewed at a school in the midlands glowed with delight that their children would not have to mix with children from other races and creeds. Creationist schools are a large percentage of those who have applied, nothing more needs to be said on that subject. As to the idea that there is a positive spin being put on the idea of untrained teaching staff, that is somewhat worrying. Especially in those faith schools supported by less than open religions. Finally why are they called free? Tax payers are paying for them, so they are not free. Where in these cost cutting times is the money coming from? From the education budget no doubt, making inroads into other already cash starved schools. Without decent education the underclass grows. More riots anyone?
a) The news always reports the extremes, as any fule no.b) 'Free' doesn't mean free of charge to the taxpayer, it means free from local authority control.
c) They are funded in the same way as all other state schools, in other words, every child is funded the same whether they go to a free school or not, meaning no net loss to anyone from the budget.
d) What are classroom assistants if not unqualified teaching staff? Why should I be any worse than someone who's gone through teacher training college if we're looking at (for instance) race car engineering where I have real-world experience?
Are you a teacher?
There are only going to be 48 pupils in the school when it opens next week, the school will take around 120 altogether as it grows next year but having met up with alot of the parents and their kids already I would say there is a nice mix of ethinc origins and religions which i think will benefit all the kids and families.
Soovy said:
DWP said:
The parents interviewed at a school in the midlands glowed with delight that their children would not have to mix with children from other races and creeds.
I'm not surprised. In Tower Hamlets there is a school where four of the one hundred and twenty pupils have English as their first language. fk that.Mark Benson said:
a) The news always reports the extremes, as any fule no.
b) 'Free' doesn't mean free of charge to the taxpayer, it means free from local authority control.
c) They are funded in the same way as all other state schools, in other words, every child is funded the same whether they go to a free school or not, meaning no net loss to anyone from the budget.
d) What are classroom assistants if not unqualified teaching staff? Why should I be any worse than someone who's gone through teacher training college if we're looking at (for instance) race car engineering where I have real-world experience?
Are you a teacher?
No I'm not a teacher.b) 'Free' doesn't mean free of charge to the taxpayer, it means free from local authority control.
c) They are funded in the same way as all other state schools, in other words, every child is funded the same whether they go to a free school or not, meaning no net loss to anyone from the budget.
d) What are classroom assistants if not unqualified teaching staff? Why should I be any worse than someone who's gone through teacher training college if we're looking at (for instance) race car engineering where I have real-world experience?
Are you a teacher?
We have no knowledge of what will happen within the school because they are free from local authorities.
Of course there will be a loss to the budget somewhere. Increase schools without increase in budget it's obvious.
Classroom assistants are not teachers. These schools are allowed to use unqualified teachers.
If you want to go and teach race car engineering, off you go. I suspect anything below a Technical College and your skills would be wasted.
The idea of faith schools is appalling to anyone with an iota of common sense.
DWP said:
Soovy said:
DWP said:
The parents interviewed at a school in the midlands glowed with delight that their children would not have to mix with children from other races and creeds.
I'm not surprised. In Tower Hamlets there is a school where four of the one hundred and twenty pupils have English as their first language. fk that.When my kids go to school they will go somewhere where the other kids speak English as a first language. Don't give a toss what colour, race or religion they are, but there is NO WAY Soov Jr is sitting in class listening to foreign languages being yabbered.
DWP said:
The idea of faith schools is appalling to anyone with an iota of common sense.
You are soo right IMO. Yet these days they seem to be seen as a "desirable thing". I just don't understand it.Every secondary school in the land should have comparative religion as mandatory part of the syllabus.
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