U.S. foils Iran-backed terror plot

U.S. foils Iran-backed terror plot

Author
Discussion

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

248 months

Tuesday 11th October 2011
quotequote all

Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

173 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
US state department issues travel warning.

Hugo a Gogo

23,378 posts

235 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Melvin Udall said:
Blib said:
Sometimes the US goes to war even if "it" is not true.
That's what I'm worried about. I'm not sure we could stretch to another conflict, especially against a massive standing army.
massive standing armies are fine, it's those sneaky little plain-clothes armies that cause trouble

Fittster

20,120 posts

215 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Mermaid said:
US state department issues travel warning.
Do lots of Americans take holidays admiring the Caspian sea from the shores of Iran?

Bill

53,113 posts

257 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Guam said:
Dinnerjacket is determined to spark a war.

Technically would this be an act of war <Against Saudi Arabia>?
I'm not convinced he's that stupid tbh, however there's every chance some of the more religious nutters are.

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

184 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Fittster said:
Mermaid said:
US state department issues travel warning.
Do lots of Americans take holidays admiring the Caspian sea from the shores of Iran?
America has quite a large Iranian American population. It contains the highest number of Iranians outside of Iran - well over half a million. So yes, I'm sure lots of them do travel to Iran to visit family and friends.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

286 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
They had better have some cast iron evidence here.

DonkeyApple

56,097 posts

171 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Victor McDade said:
America has quite a large Iranian American population. It contains the highest number of Iranians outside of Iran - well over half a million. So yes, I'm sure lots of them do travel to Iran to visit family and friends.
Would the Shah's people risk going back? The majority in the UK don't appear to feel safe doing so.

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

184 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
DonkeyApple said:
Would the Shah's people risk going back? The majority in the UK don't appear to feel safe doing so.
Yes, fair point.


ApexJimi

25,091 posts

245 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Mermaid said:
Melvin Udall said:
Blib said:
Sometimes the US goes to war even if "it" is not true.
That's what I'm worried about. I'm not sure we could stretch to another conflict, especially against a massive standing army.
Syria was left alone to its devices..
I like your thinking here..

Victor McDade

4,395 posts

184 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Blib said:
Melvin Udall said:
Surely only serious, (if it came to a war), if itmwas true. Not so serious if false.
Sometimes the US goes to war even if "it" is not true.
We're living in different times now imo. America does not have the money for another conflict and with elections round the corner it would be political suicide for Obama. Unless Iran attacked any US targets directly, Uncle Sam won't even be thinking of direct military action.

This incident should however scare the Saudis into buying more American arms smile

coanda

2,646 posts

192 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Iran has been backing insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan for years now, with armament directly from iranian factories.

It isn't really talked about, but I think that the border areas see some action with iranian unconventional forces....more than makes it into janes articles!

Th quds force of the IRGC are the interface between Iranian government and a multitude of nasties.


PintOfKittens

1,336 posts

192 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
coanda said:
Iran has been backing insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan for years now, with armament directly from iranian factories.

It isn't really talked about, but I think that the border areas see some action with iranian unconventional forces....more than makes it into janes articles!

Th quds force of the IRGC are the interface between Iranian government and a multitude of nasties.
You sure? Got any proof?

Melvin Udall

73,668 posts

257 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Any proof of Iranian forces in Iraq either? There was always talk of this, but nothing concrete.

(Of course, this is made out to be awful, yet we have been there, and in Afghanistan for years... What gives)

0a

23,907 posts

196 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
I must admit I have very little understanding of Iran's leaders and their objectives. What did they hope to achieve from this? It seems likely that the plot would either fail, or they would be found out and they have therefore only made the world a worse place for themselves.

coanda

2,646 posts

192 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
I'm at work now, so nothing to hand.....but.

Afghan....a raid mentioned in a UK apache book (i think) where a convoy coming from the direction of Iran, and fairly close to the border with Iran was intercepted by two apaches and two wokka cabs full of marines.

Iraq...fair few reports in Janes over time with explicit proof of recently manufactured iranian munitions in an article called 'shia strength - iraqi militants adapt to us drawdown' released on 30/09/11. This is part of a work subscription so you'll understand that I can't post it up here.

I should be clear that I feel that what I read is the tip of an iceberg of undetermined size. The Qods force specialise in this kind of activity and members have been captured near the iraqi border with iran. Search daqduq and qais khazali.

Melvin Udall

73,668 posts

257 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Well, weapon manufacture is hardly a sign. How many weapons are made in other countries?

As for the trucks... Trucks containing what?

coanda

2,646 posts

192 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
Iraq specific....

107mm rockets made by the iranian defence industries organisation?

A picture acquired by the Federation of American scientists of an iranian 240mm rocket, with markings and paperwork showing it to be a Falaq-1.

Detainee interviews detailing cross-border smuggling and training.

C4 chemically matched to iranian C4

Evidence goes back to 2005.

I realise everyone has a different proof threshold, but, from what I have read, I am convinced.

Melvin Udall

73,668 posts

257 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
coanda said:
Iraq specific....

107mm rockets made by the iranian defence industries organisation?

A picture acquired by the Federation of American scientists of an iranian 240mm rocket, with markings and paperwork showing it to be a Falaq-1.

Detainee interviews detailing cross-border smuggling and training.

C4 chemically matched to iranian C4

Evidence goes back to 2005.

I realise everyone has a different proof threshold, but, from what I have read, I am convinced.
And how many British, or American weapons are in the conflict zone? how many Chinese, or Russian weapons? Seems that we need another demon to point at.

Mermaid

Original Poster:

21,492 posts

173 months

Wednesday 12th October 2011
quotequote all
0a said:
I must admit I have very little understanding of Iran's leaders and their objectives. What did they hope to achieve from this?
I doubt it was directed from the top - much more to lose than gain, and they are not silly.