UK unemployment total hits highest in 17 years
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Mr GrimNasty said:
davido140 said:
muffinmenace said:
What's the positions, specialist?
1 IT specialist, 2 cold calling drones (would be temps), 2 Account Managers which is starting off cold calling & managing their own accounts as they are created.We've been through about 9 people so far this year and filled only 2 of the 7 roles we created in March.
Cold calling - not a job is it!
Although, you employ muppets, it's worth nothing.
Aprox 1 mil young out of work as well . Think its about time the dole money for younger school leavers should be given straight to companies to start apprenticeships or yts in my day .Why pay people to stay at home when you could be paying people to learn a trade and get life skills. Get industry big on corse in uk . Start at the bottom train people to build things again that the world requires get export back up to bring money back into uk.
Might take a few years but it would be better in the long run .
Might take a few years but it would be better in the long run .
I'm about to employ a Romanian chap to drive for me. I couldn't get a local to do the job, because they don't want to work. Simple as that.
Nobody wants to work evenings and weekends, nobody wants to actually earn their weekly wage. The culture of the country is all wrong. Blame culture, it's someone else's fault and I'm entitled is the wrong way to look at things. I have always got off my ass and grafted to earn money. The harder I work the more I should earn (Maggie Thatcher's mantra, if you like) but nobody seems to want to earn. My Romanian friend is chomping at the bit to get started, and has better English language and standards than the local 'drones' to use another poster's description. Will I employ more Romanians? Damned right I will as and when I need to.
Nobody wants to work evenings and weekends, nobody wants to actually earn their weekly wage. The culture of the country is all wrong. Blame culture, it's someone else's fault and I'm entitled is the wrong way to look at things. I have always got off my ass and grafted to earn money. The harder I work the more I should earn (Maggie Thatcher's mantra, if you like) but nobody seems to want to earn. My Romanian friend is chomping at the bit to get started, and has better English language and standards than the local 'drones' to use another poster's description. Will I employ more Romanians? Damned right I will as and when I need to.
Tyre Smoke said:
I'm about to employ a Romanian chap to drive for me. I couldn't get a local to do the job, because they don't want to work. Simple as that.
Nobody wants to work evenings and weekends, nobody wants to actually earn their weekly wage. The culture of the country is all wrong. Blame culture, it's someone else's fault and I'm entitled is the wrong way to look at things. I have always got off my ass and grafted to earn money. The harder I work the more I should earn (Maggie Thatcher's mantra, if you like) but nobody seems to want to earn. My Romanian friend is chomping at the bit to get started, and has better English language and standards than the local 'drones' to use another poster's description. Will I employ more Romanians? Damned right I will as and when I need to.
I do think that's a massive problem. We used to caller the lower end of society 'working class' because they did exactly that; they worked, bloody hard usually and through adversity. As a result they created better lives for themselves and their children. Nowadays we have households where 3 generations of people have NEVER worked. Where's the cultural, social or financial stigma to this gone? Nobody wants to work evenings and weekends, nobody wants to actually earn their weekly wage. The culture of the country is all wrong. Blame culture, it's someone else's fault and I'm entitled is the wrong way to look at things. I have always got off my ass and grafted to earn money. The harder I work the more I should earn (Maggie Thatcher's mantra, if you like) but nobody seems to want to earn. My Romanian friend is chomping at the bit to get started, and has better English language and standards than the local 'drones' to use another poster's description. Will I employ more Romanians? Damned right I will as and when I need to.
As i'm sure you're away, I'm quite left wing in my views, but I'm also a realist and I know if i didn't have a job I'd clean toilets to make sure i was working. Where has this attitude developed that not working is fine and normal?
I know there are massive issues with a lack of industry or non-skilled labour outside of the SE but where there's a will, there's a way. There's just no will.
It goes back to what I was saying earlier about our politicians blaming someone else all the time, we've lost a degree of personal responsibility; not just to the individual but to society. The jobless blame someone else, the Stare or businesses, the better off blame the feckless, jobless layabouts, the State blames the previous Government, the banks blame the global economy... no one stands up and says 'let's just get on and fix this'.
Happy82 said:
We found the same, we had an apprentice opening at the rate of £7/hour (toolmaking) and decided to give up in the end.
I've been recruiting for a position in my team for 5 months now and haven't found anyone who is a decent enough fit. It's reasonably entry level, but the person would need a year's experience (market research, so not exactly rocket science). We are going to have to downgrade the position and just get a bright graduate and spend time training them up 
I know of several other clientside research functions in other large global organisations who are struggling to recruit at the moment.
maix27 said:
I do think that's a massive problem. We used to caller the lower end of society 'working class' because they did exactly that; they worked, bloody hard usually and through adversity. As a result they created better lives for themselves and their children. Nowadays we have households where 3 generations of people have NEVER worked. Where's the cultural, social or financial stigma to this gone?
As i'm sure you're away, I'm quite left wing in my views, but I'm also a realist and I know if i didn't have a job I'd clean toilets to make sure i was working. Where has this attitude developed that not working is fine and normal?
I know there are massive issues with a lack of industry or non-skilled labour outside of the SE but where there's a will, there's a way. There's just no will.
It goes back to what I was saying earlier about our politicians blaming someone else all the time, we've lost a degree of personal responsibility; not just to the individual but to society. The jobless blame someone else, the Stare or businesses, the better off blame the feckless, jobless layabouts, the State blames the previous Government, the banks blame the global economy... no one stands up and says 'let's just get on and fix this'.
Exactly this. No politician will actually say anything controversial because they don't want offend potential voters. The last politician who actually spoke some sense was Norman Tebbit when he made the 'get on your bike' speech. Whether you agreed or disagreed with his politics is not really relevant any more because the successive governments have totally ignored the 'work ethic' question in their fruitless search for popularity. All they want is for the voting population to 'feel good' all the time so they can continue to govern in perpetuity. Sooner or later a politician from left or right is going to actually stand up and say there are too many public servants, benefits are too generous, cuts have to be made and they will hurt and it will get better eventually, but there will be a lot of pain first. Whoever that politician is, will be right up there with the great and the good of the last century.As i'm sure you're away, I'm quite left wing in my views, but I'm also a realist and I know if i didn't have a job I'd clean toilets to make sure i was working. Where has this attitude developed that not working is fine and normal?
I know there are massive issues with a lack of industry or non-skilled labour outside of the SE but where there's a will, there's a way. There's just no will.
It goes back to what I was saying earlier about our politicians blaming someone else all the time, we've lost a degree of personal responsibility; not just to the individual but to society. The jobless blame someone else, the Stare or businesses, the better off blame the feckless, jobless layabouts, the State blames the previous Government, the banks blame the global economy... no one stands up and says 'let's just get on and fix this'.
Try getting decent engineers... even if you're paying the going rate it's hard to find people.
In fact paying a big salary is no barrier to occasional lurches into muppetdom. I've had to fire two people this year from well paid jobs (30k+) just because they either could not be trusted to do their job when left unsupervised, or they bloody well couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it!
In fact paying a big salary is no barrier to occasional lurches into muppetdom. I've had to fire two people this year from well paid jobs (30k+) just because they either could not be trusted to do their job when left unsupervised, or they bloody well couldn't tell the truth if their lives depended on it!
anonymous said:
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Not just the south east. Try up in bonny Jockistan as well.My old joiner emigrated. I had a bloke round to look at some work the other week, building a gazebo, and his labour rates were working out at about £75 an hour. Oh, and despite being a registered business, 'can we do it cash mate?' was his line of patter. It would have been a cash anyways, but nevermind, not happy with the blatent request to defraud. I pay my flippin' taxes. When I pointed out this breakdown of the maths to show his hourly rate, he said it was because he was a timeserved man, he deserved that. He actually said he 'deserved' that. Right. Sure. Try my trade mate, I guarantee you'd sheeite yourself at how my industry operates. I know guys flying airbus for a very well known airline for a grand a month take home. After paying £30k for the priviledge. I s
t you not.My response to this was that I just wasn't born with enough middle fingers to tell him how I feel about that figure.
Please leave. No need to send a written quote to follow the verbal.
Some people need to get over themselves. No one is looking for a man to work for nothing, I started off as a tradesman myself in life, so I'd never ask that, but some realism needs to enter this economy again.
Oh, and I've since heard from the bloke who recomended him that his van has pretty much sat at the door for a month, and he is moaning about no work and 'timewasters' etc.
He is running about in his wifes 106 as it burns chip oil, something his transit cant do, so I doubt he is out earning. Mental. Just mental.
I start a job on monday 
Im one of the unskilled 'jack of all trades' types,And it has been a right pain in the arse getting a job.
I have my class c (old hgv2)licence but have had to take a job driving a van just to get the money in. Yes its NMW, yes its a no hope job,but it is a job and it does pay (even at NWM and only 30 hours) more than i was getting on the dole.
How any single person with no kids can say they get more on the dole than ANY job over 30 hours per week is something i still am trying to find out. As a single person you get just over£130 a fortnite, I am going to be working 30 hours a week and i will get £165 approx a week in my hand.
Even if i had to pay rent out of that money,(i dont because i pay a very small morgage because i was smart 14 years ago and bought my home,)id still be a few quid a week better off and still able to live while i look for a part time job to pay for all the pleasures i want.
Im one of the unskilled 'jack of all trades' types,And it has been a right pain in the arse getting a job.
I have my class c (old hgv2)licence but have had to take a job driving a van just to get the money in. Yes its NMW, yes its a no hope job,but it is a job and it does pay (even at NWM and only 30 hours) more than i was getting on the dole.
How any single person with no kids can say they get more on the dole than ANY job over 30 hours per week is something i still am trying to find out. As a single person you get just over£130 a fortnite, I am going to be working 30 hours a week and i will get £165 approx a week in my hand.
Even if i had to pay rent out of that money,(i dont because i pay a very small morgage because i was smart 14 years ago and bought my home,)id still be a few quid a week better off and still able to live while i look for a part time job to pay for all the pleasures i want.
fbrs said:
maix27 said:
I work in the City in Business Development
maix27 said:
Hey, Cold calling is a valuable position! I make my company circa £1M a year from cold calling.
huh?I'll chime in with how hard it is to recruit at the moment. I run an IT dev shop and I'm finding it incredibly hard to find devs, at any price.
Started looking at the beginning of the year for mid-level to senior guys, then around June started looking for grads to train. One grad I was quite interested in was given a task to take home. I called him after a week to find out how he was getting on and he put down the phone after I introduced myself... shocking behavior.
Our office is very... multicultural. And still looking for devs!
Started looking at the beginning of the year for mid-level to senior guys, then around June started looking for grads to train. One grad I was quite interested in was given a task to take home. I called him after a week to find out how he was getting on and he put down the phone after I introduced myself... shocking behavior.
Our office is very... multicultural. And still looking for devs!
Tyre Smoke said:
Nobody wants to work evenings and weekends, nobody wants to actually earn their weekly wage. The culture of the country is all wrong. Blame culture, it's someone else's fault and I'm entitled is the wrong way to look at things. I have always got off my ass and grafted to earn money. The harder I work the more I should earn (Maggie Thatcher's mantra, if you like) but nobody seems to want to earn. My Romanian friend is chomping at the bit to get started, and has better English language and standards than the local 'drones' to use another poster's description. Will I employ more Romanians? Damned right I will as and when I need to.
I'm currently languishing on a 3 day week (oh the joys of working in manufacturing) and i tell you what i wouldn't hesitate in doing some extra work for minimum wage or in fact working evenings and weekends, In fact Tyresmoke if i was down your neck of the woods i'd be bunging you a message, If i could earn 40-50 quid a night i'd snap someones hand off.Sadly i dont think there is any call for part time buyers but if anyone knows of any then i'm all ears lol.
What pisses me off though is i've never ever claimed period - yet even though i'm struggling due to my cut in hours i know i'd get bugger all help, in fact when i went to see the citezens advice recently enquiring about child tax credits etc. she seemed almost surprised when i said i wasn't claiming jobseekers and worked for a living.
sportka1 said:
I start a job on monday
....Yes its NMW, yes its a no hope job,but it is a job and it does pay (even at NWM and only 30 hours) more than i was getting on the dole.
Good luck with the job and kudos for the attitude.b ....Yes its NMW, yes its a no hope job,but it is a job and it does pay (even at NWM and only 30 hours) more than i was getting on the dole.
CHIEF said:
I'm currently languishing on a 3 day week (oh the joys of working in manufacturing) and i tell you what i wouldn't hesitate in doing some extra work for minimum wage or in fact working evenings and weekends...
Sorry to hear this. Your situation typifies the reason why the unemployment data does not yet reflect the true spare capacity of the economy, even with the latest rises in unemployment.I think the extent of this is entirely missed by policymakers.
Today, apart from the school runs, which thankfully have covered the wages, I have three drivers sitting idle earning £7.42 an hour each. Quite how any taxi driver on their own/paying a rent for the taxi is surviving is beyond me. I know of several who have no school runs and are living off the £150 they take on a Saturday night. God knows how they pay for fuel/maintenance.
Personally, I'm scrabbling for every school run I can get my hands on.
Personally, I'm scrabbling for every school run I can get my hands on.
If the large amount of jobs going are from the Public sector then surely the burden to the Tax payer is less.
Even paying benefits to them will not incur the same cost as paying them an AVG national wage of £24k or so.
I believe the Gov is happy for jobs to go as long as they are from the public sector as each job goes its less demand on the tax payer.
It isn't sometihng I agree with but is doesnt seem to have been raised by the opposition.I have got this wrong???
Even paying benefits to them will not incur the same cost as paying them an AVG national wage of £24k or so.
I believe the Gov is happy for jobs to go as long as they are from the public sector as each job goes its less demand on the tax payer.
It isn't sometihng I agree with but is doesnt seem to have been raised by the opposition.I have got this wrong???
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