Thieving P****Y B'stards & Cable Theft
Discussion
Smiler. said:
I'm guessing that you don't have the sort of filth from the article above crossing your path then.
NIE - Network Operator? How do they present their scrap cable? Overhead stuff is very different to ground/underground cable. So they strip it of the insulation?
Also, for copper pipe - is it of any value if it has soldered joints (I have a load from re-plumbing the house last year).
Yes, that sort of filth crosses our way occasionaly but the accent usually gives it away NIE - Network Operator? How do they present their scrap cable? Overhead stuff is very different to ground/underground cable. So they strip it of the insulation?
Also, for copper pipe - is it of any value if it has soldered joints (I have a load from re-plumbing the house last year).
NIE is the main electricity supplier in Northern Ireland. They generally bring old cable in on rolls. When it comes in in cut lengths, we start asking questions.
As for your pipe, if you bring it in with soldered joints on it, it will all go in as brazier at the lower rate. If you want the best price for it, I'd recommend cutting the joints off and weighing the clean pipe and joints in seperately. There's a bit of extra work in it, but it's definately worth it.
These scum (thieves and scrappy owners) would think twice if there was some degree of accountability inherent in the crime. As it is, they can only be charged with theft, handling stolen goods, etc. regardless of what misery the crime causes. If both groups faced sentences commensurate with the impact of the original crime, including murder if a death was caused, maybe they'd rethink their scummy dealings.
JAHetfield said:
........They generally bring old cable in on rolls. When it comes in in cut lengths, we start asking questions.
That's interesting, as the sort of cable the guys I know would have will all be legitimate off-cuts. Would you tell them to 'do-one' or ask a few questions?As for the copper pipe, I have already cut off the soldered joints from the straight bits & have a box of each.
Some straight lengths 'might' still have a bit of solder on the odd end though, will this automatically relegate it to the lower value?
Also, are old valves, couplings taken in?
elster said:
Podie said:
I'm pretty sure replacement railway cable is tainted, to help track theives.
It wasn't last week.A permit to drop system could work, but would be expensive.
Edited by elster on Wednesday 14th December 13:41
http://www.railpro.co.uk/magazine/?idArticles=277
http://www.selectadna.co.uk/cable-theft.html
Smiler. said:
JAHetfield said:
........They generally bring old cable in on rolls. When it comes in in cut lengths, we start asking questions.
That's interesting, as the sort of cable the guys I know would have will all be legitimate off-cuts. Would you tell them to 'do-one' or ask a few questions?As for the copper pipe, I have already cut off the soldered joints from the straight bits & have a box of each.
Some straight lengths 'might' still have a bit of solder on the odd end though, will this automatically relegate it to the lower value?
Also, are old valves, couplings taken in?
Any pipes with joints on them are classified as brazier at the lower rate. When we get them in, we cut the ends off them and seperate them to maximise profit.
As for your old valves etc., throw them into the same bag with your soldered offcuts. In my personal experience, you can spend days cutting valves up and seperating them into different types of scrap but it's just not worth it for the time involved.
Smiler. said:
JAHetfield said:
I like how all scrap dealers are bad people.
I work in a scrap metal place. Obviously there are times when you are going to get caught out with your pants down but when you're at it for a while, you get to learn who the thieves are and who not to buy from.
Our local pleece department have started a handy service. When anything goes missing locally, we get a text/email to let us know what to watch out for. Then it's just a matter of keeping an eye out and writing down the registration of the perps if/when they come in with the gear.
Buying stolen metal is a waste of time. If the pleece come in and find it in your yard, they confiscate the goods so you're left out of pocket. It's not a risk worth taking.
Oh, and FWIW, you might get some stick for 'pleece' I work in a scrap metal place. Obviously there are times when you are going to get caught out with your pants down but when you're at it for a while, you get to learn who the thieves are and who not to buy from.
Our local pleece department have started a handy service. When anything goes missing locally, we get a text/email to let us know what to watch out for. Then it's just a matter of keeping an eye out and writing down the registration of the perps if/when they come in with the gear.
Buying stolen metal is a waste of time. If the pleece come in and find it in your yard, they confiscate the goods so you're left out of pocket. It's not a risk worth taking.
Deva Link said:
I'm assuming, as the rest of his spelling and grammar was impeccable, that 'pleece' means something? Or is just meant to be an insult?
No offence intended to anyone chum. I've been reading through PH for a couple of years but only started posting recently. It was meant as a joke on the same level as driving an Ambiwlans whilst throwing a can of red bull at someones head whilst sporting a shaven head and goatee and being director of 3 different companies. I forgot to mention I also drive a chimp lol.Podie said:
elster said:
Podie said:
I'm pretty sure replacement railway cable is tainted, to help track theives.
It wasn't last week.A permit to drop system could work, but would be expensive.
Edited by elster on Wednesday 14th December 13:41
http://www.railpro.co.uk/magazine/?idArticles=277
http://www.selectadna.co.uk/cable-theft.html
Hi, I work on the railway for Network Rail in the signalling dept, this is a few things I have had with cable theft,
Guys dressed as rail workers stealing cable 100yds from a manned depot,
Cable towed out by quads,
People burning cable at the side of the track whilst we are there working on the other side of the fence,
Our own staff stealing the bloody stuff!
People using a canal boat to get access to the track to steal the cable, they needed 5 mins to access the line, we needed to walk 2 miles to site as we had to go around the canal,
People carefully cutting and stripping back each core of the cable separately as to not blow and fuses, then they tuck the cable in the trough or undergrowth, so when you are walking the track looking for the fault you can come into contact with 650V AC.
A guy had some people living next door to him burning masses of railway cable in their garden and he was getting pissed at the toxic fumes so reported them, the thieves got a slapped wrist from the coppers and then kicked the front door of said mans house, kicked the s
t out of him and smashed his house to pieces.
The best one (or worst) was a land rover was driven onto a level crossing and the cables were secured to the rear of the land rover, the land rover was then driven up the track as if it were a train, luckily when the cables snapped the trains were halted, the land rover got stuck so they abandoned it, the police then came out to get evidence from the vehicle but before they could get there the promising footballers returned and torched the vehicle.
Guys dressed as rail workers stealing cable 100yds from a manned depot,
Cable towed out by quads,
People burning cable at the side of the track whilst we are there working on the other side of the fence,
Our own staff stealing the bloody stuff!
People using a canal boat to get access to the track to steal the cable, they needed 5 mins to access the line, we needed to walk 2 miles to site as we had to go around the canal,
People carefully cutting and stripping back each core of the cable separately as to not blow and fuses, then they tuck the cable in the trough or undergrowth, so when you are walking the track looking for the fault you can come into contact with 650V AC.
A guy had some people living next door to him burning masses of railway cable in their garden and he was getting pissed at the toxic fumes so reported them, the thieves got a slapped wrist from the coppers and then kicked the front door of said mans house, kicked the s
t out of him and smashed his house to pieces. The best one (or worst) was a land rover was driven onto a level crossing and the cables were secured to the rear of the land rover, the land rover was then driven up the track as if it were a train, luckily when the cables snapped the trains were halted, the land rover got stuck so they abandoned it, the police then came out to get evidence from the vehicle but before they could get there the promising footballers returned and torched the vehicle.
About the best you could do is photo the scrap and the seller for every transaction.
It's impossible to go to a yard, pull out a piece of metal and ask "where did this come from"
My flat roof is leaking so I'll replace it with rubber roofing and I'll be weighing in the lead along with the offcuts from other jobs - how can I "prove" it's legit to a scrap yard - I can't.
It's impossible to go to a yard, pull out a piece of metal and ask "where did this come from"
My flat roof is leaking so I'll replace it with rubber roofing and I'll be weighing in the lead along with the offcuts from other jobs - how can I "prove" it's legit to a scrap yard - I can't.
elster said:
They must be doing it retrospectively, as I do a bit of cable fitting. I can see them using DNA, but I hope they realise smartwater is as much use as a chocolate fire guard.
I thought the point of smart water was that miscreants got the stuff smeared all over their clothing?What is the cable on the railways used for?
What signals mgo through it?
Would those signals be affected by 10,000 volts (and suitable amps of course) running through the cable, with a nice sign telling the pys that "you tamper with the cable at your own risk, due to it being electrically live".
Alternatively, if the real signals would be affected, lay dummy cable runs alongside the real one, and let the theives "take their chance", again with the challenge suitable signposted.
What signals mgo through it?
Would those signals be affected by 10,000 volts (and suitable amps of course) running through the cable, with a nice sign telling the p
ys that "you tamper with the cable at your own risk, due to it being electrically live".Alternatively, if the real signals would be affected, lay dummy cable runs alongside the real one, and let the theives "take their chance", again with the challenge suitable signposted.
bleesh said:
What is the cable on the railways used for?
What signals mgo through it?
Would those signals be affected by 10,000 volts (and suitable amps of course) running through the cable, with a nice sign telling the pys that "you tamper with the cable at your own risk, due to it being electrically live".
Alternatively, if the real signals would be affected, lay dummy cable runs alongside the real one, and let the theives "take their chance", again with the challenge suitable signposted.
A few have already been killed and badly burned.(sorry - can't be arsed to find links) Signalling cabling doesn't carry much current although the traction current cables are a different story.What signals mgo through it?
Would those signals be affected by 10,000 volts (and suitable amps of course) running through the cable, with a nice sign telling the p
ys that "you tamper with the cable at your own risk, due to it being electrically live".Alternatively, if the real signals would be affected, lay dummy cable runs alongside the real one, and let the theives "take their chance", again with the challenge suitable signposted.
When I was studying law one of the lecturers mentioned a problem Glasgow had in the 60's with gangs who's weapon of choice was chains. In order to stamp the problem out a judge, Lord Cameron, started handing out grossly disproportionate sentences for those involved and the problem soon disappeared. I don't see any issue with applying similar logic to these scumbags who are nicking/dealing stolen metal.
tim0409 said:
When I was studying law one of the lecturers mentioned a problem Glasgow had in the 60's with gangs who's weapon of choice was chains. In order to stamp the problem out a judge, Lord Cameron, started handing out grossly disproportionate sentences for those involved and the problem soon disappeared. I don't see any issue with applying similar logic to these scumbags who are nicking/dealing stolen metal.
An excellent solution but for a tiny modernday flaw; sentencing guidelines. The glasgow worthys just went back to stabbing each other with malkys and sewing razorblades in their lapels.valiant1 said:
A few have already been killed and badly burned.(sorry - can't be arsed to find links) Signalling cabling doesn't carry much current although the traction current cables are a different story.
Errr the signalling cable they are after in the Sth Yorkshire area is 650v AC fused at 100A.I have mentioned this in the past but hey...
A couple of caravans moved onto what was a tiny bit of waste land between the M3 and A33 last spring.
When the wind is blowing from the south the farm is covered with toxic and stinking smoke from what they are burning (It's the insulation layer from cables).
Every time this has been reported the old bill are not interested as they know the p1 keys are there and never come to this isolated area anyway.
Learned a month or so ago they are now demanding a property from Basingstoke council as they are homeless !
Meanwhile, I pay my monthly rent on what used to be such a lovely place...
A couple of caravans moved onto what was a tiny bit of waste land between the M3 and A33 last spring.
When the wind is blowing from the south the farm is covered with toxic and stinking smoke from what they are burning (It's the insulation layer from cables).
Every time this has been reported the old bill are not interested as they know the p1 keys are there and never come to this isolated area anyway.
Learned a month or so ago they are now demanding a property from Basingstoke council as they are homeless !
Meanwhile, I pay my monthly rent on what used to be such a lovely place...
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